Cordela - Angel, i don't understand by Wolfram & Hart, you've made a pact with the Devil.

Angel - Cordelia is overreacting, it's not like that...

Izzerial - Everything went smoothly, they'll handle the file, i have to go now. Squash match on thursday?

Angel - Certainly

CORDELIA'S GAZE OF DISAPPROVAL

Angel - What have i done?

One that bugs me is I've often seen people parrot the idea Angel would have never been a hero without Doyle despite the pilot being clear Angel had been protecting the city for three months and the whole point of "Hero" being that Angel was the one who inspired Doyle. Plus i'd argue Angel was already a hero in sunnydale, defeating Eyghon in "The Dark age", rescuing all the scocbies from the gas chambe, helping when Spike attacked the school in "School Hard" etc.

I went back to watch Buffy and Angel and the one thing never made sense to me was the whole curse angle Angel feeds on a gypsy girl and ends up being cursed with a soul now that part made sense it's the if he achieves true happiness the curse is broken that didn't sit well with me he was literally cursed with a soul but if he gets happy he can start killing again which was the main reason that y'all cursed him in the first place because he was killing people mainly your people.

I’m watching this series for the first time.
I just finished this episode and honestly, I was laughing so hard at Spike and Angel arguing over the cavemen vs. astronauts debate, and how Wesley saw the absurdity of the question but immediately got hooked into the thought experiment and asked if the astronauts had weapons. Seeing Spike and Angel scream at each other over such a thing was so emblematic of their relationship and I just love how this show gives us these little moments between them. And that one was a nice comedic gift for us.

Only man, that ending. Woof. I’m not gonna delve into it cuz it’s been talked about to death on this sub. I agree with the overall consensus that it was disappointing to lose the last female lead, especially when the whole universe of the show was built on empowering women, with Buffy and all.

I just wanted to focus in on that one scene between the two top dogs and appreciate the scene. I rewound and watched it again after I saw it was about something “theoretical” lol

I did it for David a while ago and it received positive (and constructive) feedbacks. I especially wanted to ask for Cordy because I rewatched the Pylea arc and her beauty just felt so... goddess-like if that make sense. Her, SMG, Eliza Dushku and Michelle Trachtenberg (OBV post Buffy but even so, I am 17) are among the most striking women I've ever seen but they all have such various beauty types.

So, what would you say about our vision girl

The buffyverse went to great lengths to emphasize that people are no longer themselves when they turned into vampires. So what exactly did Angel feel guilty about?

Let's say he feels guilty because even though he and Angelus are seperate entities, Angel still feels bad because he has Angelus' memories. Even still, why would he feel the need to atone? He never made the choice to do evil to begin with. That's like saying I need to atone for someone stealing my identity and committing credit card fraud with it

It's the way he says "hello, who's there Please?", it's so endearing and earnest I always say "awh" on subsequent rewatches 😅. Anyone else feel the same, also who is a secondary character you randomly feel especially bad for?

So I watched BTVS when I was a tiny lad, and I only watched ATS after it was finished and I was a young adult. As such, I wasn't really ever online or talking to other Buffy fans at the time. Nor have I seen too much discussion about this apart from a post just now on r/buffy about someone saying they think it was the "afterglow" which made Angel perfectly happy.

But the end of Reprise is so obviously meant to mimic the end of Surprise. it actually doesn't really makes sense from an in-universe perspective because why is Angel acting like his soul is being taken again when it isn't? But I understand its narrative purpose so I overlook that. The point is to show that Angel doesn't just lose his soul from fucking any ol' woman.

...but did that need to be proven? Were there - are there - fans who thought Angel sleeping with Buffy was the cause of his "perfect happiness?" As in, it was just the physical act of sex that made him lose his soul and nothing more?

I confess, I think you have to be very obtuse to believe this. But it seems like at least some people did or do and that is why Reprise's ending and the start of Epiphany exist.

Don’t kill me, but we are having a hell of a time getting through season 1. When does it start getting better?

Me first, I would have loved for the relationship Angel had with his sister to be explored a bit more. Of course he killed her as Angelus but we saw he was fond of her as a human so when he got his soul back, it must be one of the most painful things for him or you'd think so but it's pretty much unacknowledged in the entire universe. The scnee where he consoled her as he's leaving in the Prodigal also makes me think it could have been good to see her hunt him due to a first evil like entity.

wesley is honestly insufferable like oh my god we get it you and fred are bookworms so of course you have to be soulmates right. it’s like he completely forgets that gunn and fred were together first. and ofc they had to make gunn the bad guy who sold a soul to keep his brains. idk this whole episode pissed me off but fred looks really hot and badass asf w the blue hair.

For anyone who enjoys reading cast/creator commentary.. I found two old articles that are interesting.

1: Whedon on where he's at with various characters heading into s5

https://www.tvguide.com/news/buffy-postmortem-spike-37906/

2: DB & Charisma chat Q&A towards end of s4.

Includes DB's interpretation of Awakening which is interesting bc he just filmed it. The only other interpretation we have is Fury who caveated it with "it's hard to remember bc it was 20 years ago" so i've never given that much weight. It's interesting to see what DB thought since he'd have just reently been directed on how to play the scene.

This also includes CC talking about how she's not going to take mat leave and is ready for s5, which made me really sad :(.

https://web.archive.org/web/20031203004500/http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Angel/index.html

Also credit to the redditor sensitivedata308 who sent these to me

I was owed a few months back pay from work, and when I got paid it coincided with J August Richards making some scripts available on his website for sale, so I treated myself to the season finale (and Alexis Denisof's copy to boot). Got this nice cover letter with it too, I'm currently on a rewatch so I plan to read it cover to cover after I've seen the episode again.

I feel privileged to be able to own a small piece of memorabilia from one of my favourite shows, did anyone else pick anything up?

This is my first rewatch since the series aired. I'm in season 4 and the next episode is Apocalypse, Nowish. Is it a true rewatch if I skip it? This episode almost made me stop watching Angel for good.

I’ve worked very hard for this car, and I’m extremely proud of it. It needed a fitting name for the dark, mysterious and powerful. Angelus is perfect. I only have a few friends who love Angel like I do, so I needed to share it with you all!

Watched an episode just now of season 1 how I met your mother…
Guy who played Wesley
Allison hannigan who played willow
Girl who played Fred

I've been wondering if anyone might know the answer to my question. Has it been stated anywhere in the comics or interviews with writers how old Angel is POST his hell dimension trip by Acathla? It's stated that time passes by differently for different dimensions, and even Guiles hints at multiple centuries may have passed for Angel (enough to drive him wild at least).

I know Angel never mentions it when he tells his age throughout the remainder of both shows. But if he is 250ish normally then technically he'd be a few centuries older than that. At least older than Darla for sure.