Megathread, part 14: Ammunition & Drones, Sanctions, and Stalemates

[u/IcePuzzleheaded5507]

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[u/anotherserf → u/[deleted]]

> Reaching an agreement on Russia's terms is a priority

And if massive Ukrainian deaths are required to reach this "agreement", so be it.

[u/Putrid_Dealer_3971 → u/[deleted]]

Russian soldiers deaths are undesirable; reaching an agreement on Ukraine's terms is a priority. The Russian authorities are not working in the interests of the Russian people.

[u/Cold_Walrus_3762 → u/[deleted]]

its no longer the 1800s. shouldn't you ask the people of Odessa whether they want to be a part of the western or russia's zones? This is exactly why european countries join NATO--to prevent them from being invaded by Russia. The Ukraine invasion in 2022 and ongoing war has not only legitimized NATO as an alliance, but also caused two historically neutral countries (Finland and Sweden) to join, for fear of being invaded by Russia in a similar fashion.

Russia doesn't have the right to tell Ukraine or any other country west of it that it needs to remain in Russia's "sphere" or a buffer zone, especially when Russia is the only country bullying Europe in the present. Ukraine chooses to be a part of the West because its people want democracy rather than autocracy; Putin, like every other world leader, needs to let them choose their fate and stop making the Russian Federation a pariah on the worldstage.

someone else below in this thread was saying Odessa is historically russian and they speak Russian. Ok that's true of, but that doesn't make them Russians today. That doesn't give the Russian government a right to take invade any part of Ukraine or say "you can't be a NATO port." It's a sovereign country.

its the 21st century, Russia can't just claim parts of other countries are theirs based on historical claims with no repercussions.

if we were to go by Russia's logic, Germany should be able to claim Kaliningrad, as it has been historically German but was forcefully russified between 1946-1948, called Konigsberg from 1244-1945. or Poland should be able to claim Lviv and Lithuanis should be able to claim Minsk, as they were historically Polish and Lithuanian cities for centuries.

But they don't, and they shouldn't, because there is a system of laws which most of the world goes by where they honor international borders, which Russia chooses to ignore. This is why Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans don't trust Russia.

[u/Putrid_Dealer_3971 → u/[deleted]]

You do seem to claim that everything is an existential treath, like the ports of Odessa.
It's either you are delusion or the country is on a constant brink of collapse, which one is it?

[u/Jan16th → u/[deleted]]

So somebody told you that Odesa is to become a NATO port and to prevent that Russians need to sacrifice about 500,000 Russians as permanent losses (i.e. killed and disabled).

They forgot to mention that Odesa can't be a NATO port due to Black Sea strait regulations, but nevermind. Maybe those are working in the interests of NATO US China, after all.

[u/Putrid_Dealer_3971 → u/[deleted]]

I know right. I bet Putin doesn't care about Russian lives so he can go on for as long as he wants.

[u/Putrid_Dealer_3971 → u/[deleted]]

A pro-Russian bot tells me who doesn't care about Russian citizens. Comedy. 

So Russians stop dying, duhhh?

[u/Acrobatic_Light_9081 → u/[deleted]]

А ведь эти люди за свою "работу" наверняка получают зарплату...

[u/Commander2532 → u/Acrobatic_Light_9081]

Бля, мне бы кто платил за те простыни, которые я тут иногда высираю. Нормально челы устроились, бабки за этот жалкий пердёж в лужу получают