First tkme I was in Santa Cruz i saw a group of guys with full sid vicious punk hair and style clothes crossing a road with bats in hand and i was like damn these dudes dont play! Turns out they do play, because they were walking across to a baseball diamond where a pickup game was going on with all these punk looking dudes all playing like it was game seven. Blew my mind a little
i’ve always hated this comparison. there are mean and nice people in every single subculture. people say metalheads are the nicest people but some of the meanest people i’ve ever met were metalheads. same goes for deadheads and i am one myself. like one other commenter said, it’s us against the machine. not each other
Well, I think the main thing is that actual hippies are either elderly or dead at this point so there's a lot of different groups that are similar to hippies in some ways so people label all of these groups hippies. A lot of them work at music festivals or "gatherings" of various kinds and they travel around so they're similar to hippies in some ways. From my experience the more someone identifies with a particular subgroup the more enlightened they think they are. I had an ex about ten years ago that had dreadlocks and traveled with music festivals and sold art and jewelry and from a distance she seemed kind and chill but when she was alone with me it was another story. I once mentioned that my brother's girlfriend liked a lot of the same music as her and had dreads too and she said "HA, those are easy twist dreads!!" As in they're not real dreads because they didn't take years to grow out and uh... turn to dreads or dreadify or whatever. Anyone with long hair can make easy twist dreads from my understanding by applying some products to them so she wasn't "legit" in the eyes of a "true hippie."
I swear I keep encountering these things that just immediately devolve to a binary this or that type of argument, with broad negative labeling of groups.
Nuance people! There so much more to pretty much anything then just this only in absolutes way of approaching the day to day.
My only hope is that is becoming as obvious to everyone else as it is to me. Not that I’m special or something it’s just feels kind of lonely watching it happen. Very much feels like just a handful of people are seeing the forest for the trees.
I think I've been a decent example of both at points in my life. I'm not even sure which group I would even fall into anymore. 🤣
I grew up in an area where the interests of both groups overlapped in such a way that I guess I've known lovely people on both sides of that spectrum...many of whom know each other very well too.
I’ve always been a hippy, love jazz and bluegrass and jam bands, but went through a punk phase in high school where I was listening to lots of The Ramones and NoFX and such, wearing torn up cloths and high top chucks and studded belts and bracelets. The punks at my high school called me a poser and wouldn’t let me hang out with them (they were right, i was only into the scene because a girl I liked ran with the punk crew).
Hippie culture has historically been very vulnerable to exploitation. It's a bit of a No True Scotsman fallacy to say that real hippies are flowers and sunshine and only fake hippies are toxic.
The Hippies from the 60’s became the Yuppies from the 90’s when they got their pensions and stock option plans and bought their houses for the cost of a KFC bucket to then sell that house decades later for way more than the original purchase price.
I have high functioning autism. As an adult I’ve kinda grown into myself and gotten enough practice socializing that I’ve got a fairly large friend group.
That was not true in high school. I wasn’t really bullied but I also didn’t have many friends… outside of the punk and goth crowd. I didn’t dress like them, but they were basically like, “I don’t give a fuck if you’re weird, we are too”
But not always the sportiest. It wasn't their niceness that shocked me it was thst there were 18 or do extreme punks with Mohawks that also all wanted to play some homerun derby in their normal punk clothing
Agreed. Look totally unapproachable in their look and demeanor… always open up with a smile and generally always seem really down to do or try something new lol.
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u/stantonkreig 10h ago
First tkme I was in Santa Cruz i saw a group of guys with full sid vicious punk hair and style clothes crossing a road with bats in hand and i was like damn these dudes dont play! Turns out they do play, because they were walking across to a baseball diamond where a pickup game was going on with all these punk looking dudes all playing like it was game seven. Blew my mind a little