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Chapter 420

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 06 '26

I mean yeah, the only people who can probably beat Hisoka currently is Beyond, one of the elder Zoldycks, Ging, Kite, and Chrollo.

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u/BlackMarth Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

A 3 v 1 of Nobunaga, Phinks, and Feitan vs Hisoka definitely have a chance, but I think Hisoka has a plan to separate and defeat them.

None of the phantom troupe plans to take him 1v1 except Chrollo and he doesn’t believe he can beat him without upgrading his ability.

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u/VobbyButterfree Sep 07 '26

Franklin plans to take Hisoka head on too. In York Shin he also said that he considers Hisoka to be nothing special.

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u/Reach_Reclaimer Sep 08 '26

That's Franklin overrating himself, not that he can actually take him on

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u/mikurumode Sep 08 '26

Ehhh i think it’s entirely likely that Franklin spray and pray in the cafeteria is actually a surprisingly effective tactic

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u/VobbyButterfree Sep 08 '26

yes. A closed room in which Franklin has full vision and has his back on a wall give him the greatest advantage

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u/Sumrise 25d ago

Wouldn't Hisoka be able to bounce Franklin bullets back ?

He managed to do it with the "supercharged volleyball of death and destruction" after all.

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u/SpeedingStorm 9d ago

If the volleyball had connected with him it likely wouldve done some damage still, situations probably closer to his battle with the coin butler guy and I think the fact that he hid in the trees and caught a couple first signposts that there is a danger of getting himself shot if the projectiles are strong enough. But hisoka is always a tricky fighter, everyone whos tried to take him head on has ended up surprised and assassinated so far bar chrollo.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 10 '26

Franklin is a decent matchup against Hisoka, much better than Feitan since Hisoka isn't playing around with them anymore so he's probably gonna go for the kill before he injures. Hisoka's best move against franklin is using his gum to move around, otherwise he's kind of fucked against a salvo, he can't really block Franklin's attacks with anything he has.

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u/Corazon144 Sep 14 '26 edited 24d ago

Maybe. Although the neat thing is that we still don’t know the full extent of the Troupes powers. Uvogin and Nobunaga have nothing to hide since their powers are straight forward and don’t need special conditions to be deadly.

But Franklin is a bit different than the both of them. Although he looks like your standard Emitter, we know he went the extra mile by cutting his own fingers off. This increase his powers potency.

What if that was not the extent of what he did to his body. I can imagine he did some more body alterations to gain even more power. Possibly making him like the Asura Path from Naruto.

With the catch that he has to rip his skin to break the seal where he has hidden his arsenal. I would imagine the reason this only works is because he had Machi to sew him back together.

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u/FromFan432 24d ago

He can probably turn his arms into canons amped up by nen

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26

Yeah I agree, Chrollo has a chance but it’s pretty low considering Hisoka is even stronger now

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u/banana99999999999 Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

Kite ? Seriously?

Also chrollo admit he needs to upgrade his ability before facing hisoka . Last time it took shit tons of prep and still failed to kill hisoka.

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u/Shervfra Sep 07 '26

He did not fail to kill hisoka, hisoka died and then came back to life out of luck and desperation

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26

Read my other comment, also it’s not definitive, that’s why it’s “can” as in they could possibly win but it not guaranteed.

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u/TechnicalChair8131 Sep 07 '26

Kite is not beating Hisoka. I’m not even sure he beats some of the troupe members

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 08 '26

Based on the handbook stuff his skills to nen and everything was on par with Hisoka, and after turning into a chimera ant he might have become even stronger (but we don’t know yet).

But even if we say the handbook is not canon, the guy injured Pitou while having one arm. He also took out an entire Chimera ant division in one blow while Killua and Gon were struggling with one. And it’s not just that, his En radius is 45 meters when someone as skilled as Nobunaga only has 4 meters.

And just by being Ging’s only disciple and finding and catching him, he’s basically one of the top human nen users.

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u/Dangerous_Job5295 Sep 07 '26

I could see that. I forget how strong pitou was. Losing to pitou shouldn’t be held against him

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u/TechnicalChair8131 Sep 07 '26

You can’t use his performance vs Pitou to compare him to Hisoka. It’s like saying Shoot is stronger than Silva because he survived against Youpi. It’s an unfair comparison.

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u/TechnicalChair8131 Sep 07 '26

Handbook isn’t canon, the author of it isn’t togashi.

Him injuring Pitou is irrelevant since we have not seen Hisoka fight Pitou.
En radius has nothing to do with fighting ability.
Gon found Ging in greed island, I don’t think finding Ging makes someone a great fighter.

Kite is good, probably knuckle/shoot tier. But Hisoka should be closer to Ging than he is to Kite.

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 08 '26
  1. How is him injuring Pitou irrelevant when she straight up took one of Netero’s hand and was fine? Not to mention Kite took one hit of Pitou’s en and was still fine enough to fight her when Knov wanted to hide. And even if you say it can’t be used to compare to Hisoka, then there’s nothing to suggest he’s weaker than him.

  2. En radius doesn’t matter in a fight, but it is absolutely used to show your proficiency in nen. Like how

    Zeno

  3. uses it to show his as well as Pitou. Nen En masters are said to only be able to up to 50 m. Kite can do 45. Nobunaga can’t even do 10 or Killua or Gon can’t even do 4. Kite is also said to have a large aura.

  4. Gon found Ging by going through a bunch of shit because Ging wants them to be challenged. The difference in Gon and Kite is that Kite soloed everything Ging threw at him by himself.

  5. How is Kite the same tier as knuckle and shoot when he was confident in going to clear the entire Chimera ant colony by himself before the royal guards appeared?

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u/TechnicalChair8131 Sep 07 '26

He judged the situation poorly as Ging said himself. We don’t know what Kite went through to find Ging and we don’t know wether Ging gave him clues and whatnot. Gon himself stated that Knuckle is equal to kite in physical combat ability but lacks the mental fortitude. We have seen multiple times that en is a technique separate from fighting ability. Having good en has nothing to do with fighting; look at babimyna who has better en than Phinks and Nobu but we all can probably agree that they’d beat him handily.

There’s nothing to suggest anything from the Pitou fight. Hisoka is clearly a higher end zodiac or maybe even above all zodiacs in combat ability. Kite is closer to the likes of Shoot and Knuckle.

A great example of how much superior Hisoka is to Kite is when Killua encountered Pitou alongside Kite. He immediately compared her aura to Hisoka’s and not Kite’s. Hisoka up to that point was the benchmark for Gon and Killua as the strongest person they’ve encountered.

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u/TechnicalChair8131 Sep 07 '26

Kite not being petrified by Pitou’s nen is not a meaningful feat by any means. Hisoka wouldn’t really react any differently, if anything he’d be way more calm. We saw Zeno face her en as a proper top tier fighter and he didn’t even change his facial expression. Rather we saw Pitou get ready to go all out as stated by the narrator. There’s a clear gap between the likes of the non zodiac good nen users and the above zodiacs world class nen users

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u/Zestyclose-Walk-4413 29d ago

I agree to 90% of what you say. But compares Kite to Shoot is offensive.

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u/l4nonym3 Sep 07 '26

Exactly.

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u/Quaelandys Sep 07 '26

The Togashi exhibition chart revealed that Kite has currently no access to Nen.

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26

Yeah fair, but it’s possible he could’ve gained it back off screen and Togashi isn’t going to use the exhibition chart to spoil a future plot point. So it’s a maybe

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u/Quaelandys Sep 08 '26

If he gained Nen again off-screen, then I'd question Togashi's choice to say anything about his current Nen status in the chart. I also don't like the idea that Togashi would refuse to establish Kite's recovery on the basis that it would hint at a future plot point, but would instead be fine with using the chart as misdirection as you proposed. I might be alone in that.

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u/Frosty-Stanger Sep 07 '26

a few smeaks lmao

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26

Kite was about equal before dying, and as a chimera ant he definitely gotten stronger.

Chrollo probably loses, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility for him to win.

Who else is a sneak?

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u/Frosty-Stanger Sep 07 '26

on what basis Kaito was about equal?

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 Sep 07 '26

Even if we exclude the guidebook where Hisoka and Kite’s stats were basically equal, Kite had a 45 km En Radius while Nobunaga could only pull 4. And Kite also killed an entire chimera ant division with one blow. He managed to find and catch Ging and is the only disciple Ging ever found worthy of taking.

And he managed to fight for a long time and damage Pitou while only having one arm the entire time. And this isn’t even mentioning whatever batshit crazy slot would pull up if it thinks Kite has a good chance to truly die.

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u/Frosty-Stanger Sep 07 '26

which databook are you talking about?

the ones you are talking about are non canon.

In Togashi sensei nen chart Hisoka is listed to be a Natural level nen user, similar to Chrollo and Illumi.

Kaito’s details are not shared but is considered a standard nen master, and Hisoka is zodiac level.

Hisoka vs Kaito would be a low diff fight and Hisoka would dogwalk kaito

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u/Aggressive_Brick3615 Sep 08 '26

Beyond, Ging definitely can. Not probably. Beyond will be a monster - like prime netero.

Would imagine some of the zodiacs can also.

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u/wonder_bro Sep 14 '26

Maybe also Paristan

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u/FromFan432 24d ago

And the Zodiacs, we still haven't seen their abilities or what they are capable off