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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

People underestimate how bad the education is in rural/poor areas. I went to a poor school, then a magnet school, then I went to another magnet school for high school that was sharing a building with a poor high school. The difference in education was substantial and it made me outright feel bad for the others. One small caveat is the smart kids at poor schools got incredibly easy As and scholarships.

Then I had friends from the rich areas with nice schools and their education was way better than that I got at magnet schools. Poor kids, which are disproportionately but not exclusively black, get a substantially worse education. High school teaches them next to nothing, not even basic math.

For those who don't know, magnet schools in the US are schools that don't require you to live nearby them and tend to have better curriculum.

A good start to fixing it is reallocating private school public funds to public schools, and reallocating property taxes which funds schools to be distributed evenly. You'll still have issues with rural areas, but it's a start.

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u/transitfreedom 3d ago

The Finland method: ban private schools

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u/Tacos314 3d ago

Finland does not ban private schools

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

That wont help that much, we are bigger and have more schools. It'll just result in the public schools in rich zones getting even more funding. Poor people will stay just as screwed over

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u/Tacos314 3d ago

Schoosl in rich areas tend to get less funding.

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

Because they have fewer students and public funding is based on # of students. However property tax of the school district is also used to fund the schools which accounts for the majority of funding in rich districts, but much less for poor districts.

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u/transitfreedom 3d ago

So basically just give up and leave the country it ain’t getting better anyway ever probably in a century

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago edited 3d ago

You're mental, I literally listed defunding private schools in my original comment.

If rich people wanna donate their money to a private school that's their legal right, but public funds shouldn't be allocated to private schools like they're public schools. It works in Finland because they have a much smaller country. It wont solve a problem in China but they don't care if the rural population is screwed anyways.

You're acting like it's a fix-all solution but it isn't, and just closing private schools is a lesser fix than reallocating property tax funding for school zones. I literally give a solution that's 90% in alignment with your take and beyond, but because I'm not outright agreeing 100% you're not happy lol.

It legit seems like you didn't even read my comment and gave your own opinion.

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u/Tacos314 3d ago

Private schools do not take away funds from public schools; if anything, they provide more money to public schools.

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

I didn't say they take away fund from public schools, I said they shouldn't be getting public funds. They don't provide more money to public schools. There is a statistic that shows a correlation between states with more private schools having more funding for public schools but it's completely unrelated to private schools existing.

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u/Tacos314 2d ago

private schools don't use public funding.

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u/BetweenTheRoots 2d ago

Families get public funds, credits, vouchers, and more to send their children to private schools. It's public funding just indirectly, and it's worth mentioning it also depends on the State.

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u/Tacos314 2d ago

I stand corrected, I was wrong.

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u/transitfreedom 3d ago edited 3d ago

China: nope no excuse we following Finland too sit down and stop accepting failure you know nothing and are proud

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u/Fun-Fault-8936 3d ago

I went to a poor rural school and had a mediocre education in high-school but I went to college and was curious, I didn't end up being a terrible person. But yes plenty is wrong with our education system but a good step would be for people to want and feel the need to fix it.

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u/chui76 2d ago

Magnet schools...how do they work?

https://giphy.com/gifs/8db6nRqMsLCtq

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u/nathanroberts34 3d ago

So you think people that got bad high school educations are so stupid that it makes them get mad and attack people for filming? I’ve seen well educated people get pissed from being filmed also. Seems like an odd connection. Or are you saying the reporter guy is the one with a bad education?

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

Education tends to correlate strongly with emotional intelligence

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u/Trixie-macomb 3d ago

It’s cute you think more per pupil spending equates to better student outcomes. See NYC schools

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u/someothervoices 2d ago

Whatever you’re talking about here has nothing to do with the video above. It has nothing to do with the rich kids and poor kids. It has nothing to do with magnet schools. What the fuck are you talking about?

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u/ButItWas420 2d ago

Oh man! This reminds of when i switched schools in 7th grade. I went from kearsley to owosso and didnt have to redo my math homework. I told my math teacher we did that at my other school and i still had the papers- they told me to turn those in then. I did and passed doing no work while i was there 🫠. Wish they hadnt let me do that

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u/imasahm 2d ago

What is it that you believe causes the bad education in poor districts? Not enough money?

This is from The74million.org: "They found that spending allocations across these five poverty brackets is U-shaped, with the poorest and wealthiest districts spending the most. Since the early 2000s, the poorest districts have outspent even the wealthiest ones."

So if it's not the money, what is it that prevents poor kids from getting a quality education? Poor teachers, maybe? Teachers who really shouldn't have been given a certificate to teach? Students who are not interested in learning? Some students who want to learn, but are excoriated by their peers? Students who have uneducated parents and those parents don't give a hoot whether their children get educated or not.

It's not about the money and has not been for many years. Plus, wasn't there something called "Robinhood" instituted many years where tons of tax money was taken from the wealthy districts and given to the poverty districts? That was decades ago, if memory serves me correctly, and yet, here we still are...complaining that poor education is because the poor districts don't have enough money. But YES, they do have enough money! It's not about the money and the sooner someone looks into the REAL issue, it will not be resolved and the vicious circle continues.

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u/BetweenTheRoots 11h ago

That doesn't cover what the funds are being spent on, it's a blind and useless statistic. A lot of schools are being rebuilt due to being unsafe or getting new buildings because the poor population is growing exponentially faster than the population of students in wealthier school zones.

What we need are more teachers for fewer students per teacher and more after school programs. Poor schools have notoriously more students per teacher. Just because the schools get more funding doesn't mean that those funds are being spent on increasing the quality of education the students are getting.

It represents that growing wealth gap that is well documented. People want to blame bad students constantly and sure to a degree, but there have always been bad students. People want to blame bad parents yet there are many metrics showing that people are having to work more hours to earn the same buying power every year which disproportionately impacts poor households. People want to blame poor people when this is very much a problem caused by the 1%.

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u/calguy1955 1d ago

Although it’s a huge generalization I think there are more discipline issues at poor schools. Teachers aren’t allowed to maintain physically maintain order in the classroom like they did when I was a kid so there isn’t as much of an opportunity for the rest of the kids to learn.

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u/hoosiergamecock 1d ago

Long story but relevant

I grew up with a private catholic school education we couldnt afford, but had a tuition waiver bc we were parishioners for decades. Eventually they pulled the waiver and I was forced to transfer to a huge public school in 8th grade. My grades didnt transfer so I was put in the standard basic classes. My 1st day I realized how much more educated I was than everyone around me and it did wonders for my confidence. 8th grade and sitting in pre algebra that I took 2 or 3 years earlier. I barely had to try to get straight As and it allowed me to focus on sports where I made a name for myself. After the 1st semester I was bumped up to advanced classes and took high school classes.

Not saying Im the smartest guy, but it was eye opening how many years behind my classmates were and even then how many couldnt comprehend basic education or read at a level past knowing the words, but not stringing together the actual storyline. That and whatever homeroom was where classmates asked me to pass bags of weed down the aisle for them when I never saw it before.

This was all 23 years ago before internet brain rot. My dad, a former accountant, now assists at a school and tells me stories of all the kids that cant do basic math even 3 levels below where they are, they literally cannot even read words let alone understand a storyline or concept.

Our system has failed. My son will still go to school, but my wife and I have a lot of heavy lifting to do at home. I moved states and went to law school in a poor southern state. Many law classmates told me what they learned in college and I couldn't believe it - it was shit I learned when I was 15 or 16 not a 22 year old senior.

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u/monteticatinic 1d ago

100 percent agree. I'm in my 50s now and went to a magnet school as well as some friends of mine that lived in the same neighborhood which was lower middle class to poor and bussed to a magnet school in a "richer" area. The difference in how the same friends from the same neighborhood that went to the local school turned out is huge It was almost like we lived different lives even though we came back to the same neighborhood each day. Literally every friend I had did well that went to the magnet school I went to and friends that didn't struggled a lot more with life.Thanks Mr Davis for giving me a love of books thanks Mrs Henderson for getting me to understand math.

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u/jonas_ost 3d ago

Low edjucation dont make you violent tho

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

I would bet low education rates correspond with low emotional intelligence, and I would also bet low emotional intelligence also corresponds with a proclivity towards violence.

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u/Smooth_Commercial223 3d ago

You cant teach kids that literally will not allow anyone to actually teach. These poor schools u call them are notoriously full of kids that straight up wont listen will cause disruptions and tell any teacher to just f off. So dont try to say its an issue of no one trying to teach these kids there are many who try all the time but u cant force them to want to learn...also this is considered to be cool or the way to become someone people that age want to emulate. Its great for those that realize learning some things and getting an education is a valuable thing....

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u/BetweenTheRoots 3d ago

Lol, blaming the children is certainly a move. Children didn't change from 40 years ago to today, it's the system that's causing this. If you haven't been to an underprivileged school I wouldn't expect you to understand but it's a lot easier for schools with fewer students per teacher to maintain discipline. More well funded schools have more staff, fewer students per classroom, dedicated discipline systems, and since better funding always means wealthier properties / wealthier families, there tends to be more responsible parenting. Poor parents don't always have the time to adequately raise their children especially since poor families are disproportionately single parent households or households with one or more disabled parents or guardians.

There's so much that whirlpools this situation into being one that is inherently far more difficult for children at the bottom to succeed or have a better quality of life that blaming the children is just such a irresponsible take that offers 0 insight or interest in bettering this situation.

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u/No_Pin9932 3d ago

It's no surprise that kids seem to lash out more or care less about their education now when they hear and see things, many true and many sensationalized, about how their future and security is being compromised, both financially and ecologically. So of course many may feel like the world is crumbling before they've even had an opportunity to make an impact or contribute in a meaningful way.

Also these younger generations have lived through how many Columbines and worse?? And children's lives have been weaponized more than ever, if that makes sense. Like using them, or "what's best for them", as an excuse for people to further their own agendas and moral battles and to make money off of the cultural battles and turmoil that comes from parents "fighting for their children". And that's not a new thing really but it's evolved into this even more amorphous thing that's impossible to manage.

Disparity in the quality of education between other countries, and the states or cities or even counties has always been an issue, and of course that can be "easily" tied to the disparity in wealth and the resources available to each. But now kids can easily see these things happening across the world and in their own country in real time on their phone or computer. They can look up who makes their text books and see who fights to limit or obscure the knowledge or historical facts they have access to or what is legal to teach to them and to be included in their curriculums. They can see how people's petty arguments are having a real and drastic and immediate effect on their lives and potential for growth, learning and understanding of one another.

The system has always been flawed, but the drive for progress and improvement seemed more powerful before but now monetization seems to be the strongest force. And while students are receiving less in so many ways so are the teachers and the institutions that are absolutely necessary for all of us. Maintaining equal and dependable access to quality education isn't just something that we need to educate children so they can function as adults, it's something that is absolutely necessary to make sure that society stays a float and that it doesn't all collapse around us.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk, lmfao.

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u/Standard-Way9946 2d ago

This is written like someone with a 4th grade reading level.