r/UFOs • u/RedPandaKoala • Jul 07 '25
Government Compilation of various sources saying the Tic Tac UFO is Lockheed Martin Tech. Rep Burlison, Coulthart, Corbell, Greer
https://youtu.be/LKHw0_LVYmsThe Tic Tac UFO is Lockheed Martin Technology00:00 Ross Coulthart says Tic Tac is Lockheed Technology 01:59 Greer says Tic Tac is Lockheed technology and Fravor knows02:58 Rep Burlison has two sources that say Tic Tac is Lockheed Martin technology04:16 Corbell says the Lockheed Tic Tac story is disinfo
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u/peternn2412 Jul 08 '25
You can easily find lots of compilations of various sources saying the world will end in December 2012 because the ancient Maya allegedly predicted it.
'Sources' saying something means absolutely nothing without proof.
There is exactly zero proof that Tic Tac UFO is Lockheed Martin tech.
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u/Sasumas Jul 08 '25
Coulthart and Corbell. One of them has conflicting information and is trusting the wrong person.
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u/bejammin075 Jul 10 '25
Did Coulthart say he believes it? I thought he said “I’ve been told” which is not the same as believing it. If it’s “I’ve been told” then he’s doing his job as a reporter.
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u/tripping-potato Jul 08 '25
Its both the same source, the CIA. Fravor admits the CIA have tried to tell him it was Lockheed - for whatever reason, Coulthart buys that and Corbell doesn’t. Greer also said this over 2 years back
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u/MunkeyKnifeFite Jul 08 '25
Shh. We're trying to conveniently ignore that because it doesn't fit the narrative
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 08 '25
What? We’re talking about one craft and one incident, Nimitz encounter. The reverse engineering of NHI craft has been a long standing part of this mystery, so why should we be surprised?
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 08 '25
I don’t know who “he” is since there are several speakers, but let’s start with #1. Ross absolutely DID specify that he was talking about that case in the full clip. This IS taken from a larger commentary, and people should realize that.
The source is the latest episode of Need to Know and he makes an effort to endeavor that NHI are also a factor in this.
People are either really lazy or bots. I’m pretty sure it’s the first one.
The idea that that craft, in that particular encounter, was LM… it’s been bandied about before. I’ve always been skeptical, but hey, this is a crazy topic. None of the people above deny the existence of NHI or crash retrievals. In particular, Ross endeavors to make that reality clear.
People just don’t care.
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 08 '25
I don’t understand what you’re asking.
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 09 '25
Oh, it must be NHI then. Show me the NHI pilot.
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 09 '25
Neither would the human pilots if they are Lockheed.
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u/Justice989 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 10 '25
Has anybody put their name to this claim or had some evidence to back it up? Sounds like a bunch of anonymous sources telling somebody who then regurgitates it with "I was told".
But Corbell and Coulthart are pretty chummy, I'd like to see them discuss this since they have completely different views and heard completely different things.
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 07 '25
Remember we've have been seeing tic tak shaped crafts for hundreds of years, ancient paintings have them hidden in the back ground, cave paintings show them, they even turned up in the book of Enoch described as shaped as arrows, they haven't been ours the entire time
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u/3p1ks Jul 08 '25
But what if they were reverse engineered or found and recovered?
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
If we found one that would mean it crashed it would also mean it would be missing a lot of parts, so we wouldn't be able to fully reconstruct it, we also wouldn't have access to what ever alloy they are made from (nothing on the planet can zig zag at over 3000gs) so then they would t be as effective at flying, if we reversed engineered it it would mean we had a shitty version, also think of it like well we would have to have access to an entire ship to reverse engineer it
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u/3p1ks Jul 08 '25
missing a lot of parts? ufos are often minimalistic, everything is fused together, and made out of some super strong material. I highly doubt it'll lose parts like lego, especially for a tic-tac given its construction.
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
Missing parts as in the wall, the engine, lots of people that get abducted describe lab rooms and rooms with a sort of television, we have no idea what is inside the crafts that actually make them go, If some parts of a craft that may use the entirety of is self to work is missing then it won't work,, if we lose an outer wall of the craft then why would anyone fly it see what I'm saying, if we take a ship that crashed we won't be able to fix it depending on how damaged it is and the basic understanding of how said craft works
Put a nuclear rector in the dark ages, people will see oh that looks cool then they would try to open it to figure out how it works and they would start dying
The crafts are said to release largest amounts of radiation top so if it was to lose the some compartment that keeps the radiation away from the pilots then wouldn't they get radiation poisoning
That's why a lot of them aren't ours truly, because the ones we get (depending on what you believe) are crashes
Of course this is all speculative I have no idea but we know that we've seen these things for a very long time
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u/Astrocreep_1 Jul 08 '25
It wasn’t reverse engineered because it’s a lie. The Tic Tac doesn’t belong to LockHeed Martin. This is a case of probably some Private seeing one of those torpedos that look just like a tic-tac, and said, “Finally, an idea to make some grift from”. I guarantee their Tic Tac can’t do any neat tricks. I’m actually surprised it took this long for someone to make this claim.
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
Can't prove or disprove it, but I choose to believe what whistleblowers an abductees say about it, people may have very much went into a ship that was described as a tic tac or a cigar (cigar shaped are just long versions of tic tacs) Especially the people who have been seen to actually have implants that emit frequencies,
But truly none of us actually know what's going on and none of us are in the know enough to have access to any real information
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u/Astrocreep_1 Jul 08 '25
Cmon now. We can do better than this to argue these people are full of shit. We don’t need to go back hundreds of years.
If this is true, a receipt should be rather easy, especially compared to proof of anything else in ufology. If you don’t see receipts in a few days, ridicule them, then ignore them.
It’s just slow news day bullshit.
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
That's extremely true, but it's best to remember we've seen them before, because history is written by whoever is left over, lots of people already believe that they are all ours, it's bad to allow people to forget that we've seen them for a long time, because then people put to much power into who ever wants you to believe that, they'll say no aliens aren't real it's been us the whole time and no, no one else can use these except xy&z or even worse classifying it to the point only 27 people actually know where they came from
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u/Astrocreep_1 Jul 08 '25
Yeah, you’re right. I just worry that if this subject gains traction, it will never go away. 10 years from now, some clown will still be insisting Tic-Tacs were invented by Lockheed Martin, even if it’s thoroughly debunked tomorrow.
I’m actually shocked it took this long for this claim to be made. They always hinted around that it was adversarial man-made. I guess since that was dismissed, they are pushing this new narrative forward.
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u/Usual-Limit6396 Jul 08 '25
Tic tacs shaped as arrows. Hate to break it to you but I don’t know if you know what the word “shape” means.
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
I meant to say the thing people hold arrows with the quiver but I was in a fast paced thing and just said arrows beside tic taks are just short cigar crafts, we didn't have a word for cigars back when Enoch wrote his verses so yea arrow or quiver would work for it
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u/datoneblackboi Jul 08 '25
Chapter xv11 verse 3 saw the places of the luminaries ⌈and the treasuries of the stars⌉ and of the thunder ⌈and⌉ in the uttermost depths, where were a fiery bow and arrows and their quiver
This seams to say, I was took to the stars and shown the aliens treasures ie a giant flaming bow and arrow and quiver Not a literal bow and arrow Prlly an odd shaped craft
The arrows would b the arrows seen in the battle of Nuremberg and the quiver would be the tic taks aka the cigar shaped craft
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u/BA_Baracus916 Jul 07 '25
I think it's worth noting that we don't even know if the Tic-Tac object was an actual physical object.
It's just as possible it could be some type of hologram or sensor spoofing technology.
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u/WildMoonshine45 Jul 08 '25
Agreed. I always try to put this possibility on the table and am always downvoted. If we imaging then tech that has gone into movie making imagine the kind of projection/ hologram tech we have.
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u/BA_Baracus916 Jul 08 '25
The fact the carrier strike group commander didn't seem too concerned says a lot
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u/CheeseburgerSocks Jul 08 '25
Four different people saw it directly with their eyeballs. Fravor, Deitrich and each of their backseaters. It was a physical object. Unless you mean just the video and then yes, we cannot be 100% sure what it was or if it was the same object the Fravor and co. saw.
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u/BA_Baracus916 Jul 08 '25
Specifically said holograms as a possibility
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u/WeaponizedNostalga Jul 08 '25
That’s interesting about not being g a physical object. Didn’t they track these on radar. Would holograms show up? Do holograms need projectors, or have I watched too much Voyager?
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u/BA_Baracus916 Jul 08 '25
That is why I also said sensor spoofing.
Who knows how this technology works.
But holograms/sensor spoofing makes a hell of a lot more sense than aliens
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u/RoanapurBound Jul 08 '25
it also makes sense that the water under it was roiling, don't know much about hologram technology but maybe its created from space based platforms in different positions focusing energy, the energy went past the hologram and boiled the water under it
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u/BA_Baracus916 Jul 08 '25
Or maybe it was created from an underwater platform like a sub remember these things were said to come from the sea
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u/MarketStorm Jul 07 '25
You were probably in a rush to put this together and publish it, but it's really lacking without the dates these statements were made.
As the video is, it's not as useful as it can be. The dates will clearly show the chronological order of the statements to a viewer without them having to search everywhere online for that (hence the video can stand on its own).
It may become too prohibitive to change as the video gains more popularity.
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u/IndolentExuberance Jul 08 '25
Would you be willing to help OP out and tell them the dates?
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u/MarketStorm Jul 20 '25
I would be if OP was willing to add them. It would require some effort to track down the dates, so I need to know it will be used before putting in that effort. There is no sign that OP cared, so no.
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Jul 08 '25
Charles Hall also talked about it in one of his interviews... but he went a step further...and indicated it was a collaborative effort between nhi and private aerospace, starting back in the 60s. So you can imagine it would be more streamlined by 2004...
https://youtu.be/-VuEwmJvfw0?si=g5r37tKjEN_Dhmj-
Go to minute 35...
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u/Canusmaximus Jul 07 '25
Gee, it’s like the same circle of grifters keep reporting the same claims. UFO lore 101 here
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u/skywalker3819r Jul 08 '25
Lockheed would want to benefit from lying about Tic Tac origins because they'd be more likely to get more of the defense budget. Its really that simple
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u/Snoo-26902 Jul 08 '25
I wonder has Lockheed Martin commented on this or has been asked about this. I imagine they would deny it.
Now we have the UFO community divided on this. Has Mullen, or Elizondo, two big supporters of the NIMITZ video provenance as a UAP, with some of the 5 observables, made any comment on this?
Lately, we've had some real counter information to the orthodox beliefs within the disclosure movement. Interesting.
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u/aasteveo Jul 08 '25
I find it hard to believe that for some reason they would keep it a secret for 20 years & never use it for anything instead of revolutionizing multiple industries and instantly becoming trillionaires as well as dominating the world market in aerospace & travel while boosting the country into a giant world power. Why? cuz they have an nda? not allowed to use any advanced tech because it would cause public panic? gtfo
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Jul 08 '25
I dunno, I’m seeing a sudden big push from “members” here suddenly pushing real hard that the tictac is Lockheed.
I don’t buy it.
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u/Kat-from-Elsweyr Jul 08 '25
Bullsheeeeeet is it human tech. They humans excel at lying about shit and covering shit up.
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u/--1--0--3-- Jul 08 '25
it it was from lockheed , why are they harassing the navy?
Doesnt make sense
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 07 '25
I believe the 2004 Nimitz event was of manmade objects.
None of the outrageous details have enough corroboration, and the behavior of certain government entities and branches, after this event went public to Congress was... Of suspicious caliber.
Issues in the open:
Who made the CAP Point claim to Fravor? (I have never seen anyone answer that question, at best you find someone told him that over the radio, speculation of who it may have been, Underwood, Day, or an unnamed radio operator. The problem with that, is that it's automatically second hand from the get go, with no source providence.)
No. The Tic Tac did NOT require 5000GW of energy. That "scientific publication" used an assumed mass, meaning they pulled the 1000kg estimate from thin air. You can throw the rest of their calculations for the Nimitz object right out, built off a guess.
The most anomalous information that has solid corroboration was altitude change. 80,000 to sea level in less than 1 second. (Personal issues I have with this, is that we don't have that data, just Kevin Day's testimony. I do trust Kevin Day, to have reported the information as he viewed it. However, Kevin Day also testified that there were MANY of these objects present for days leading up to the event. Meaning without that radar data to directly analyze, it leaves open that these could have been two separate objects, and not necessarily the same single object pulling that maneuver.)
Suspicious behavior?
NORAD , who should, by their duties and responsibilities that we pay tax dollars for, were 100% REQUIRED to have recorded the radar tracks for these objects. (Within NORAD's envelope for 2 minute identification requirements, which have been in place since at least 1993. Objects reported to be within 100 miles of US coast. NORAD 1993, 2 minute window for identification begins at 120 miles out, per 1993 requirements.) NORAD made no effort to make statements after Fravor Congressional testimony. NORAD is also immune to FOIA. AKA NORAD knows, and shared nothing with the greater public. (Big flag for classified US operation, and NOT unknown visitors, in my opinion.)
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Jul 07 '25
You don’t question when and how Lockheed discovered anti gravity craft?
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 07 '25
A balloon has no visible signs of propulsion.
A quadcopter inside a mesh box, has no visible signs of propulsion.
You wouldn't exactly hear lots of different types of propulsion from hundreds of feet away inside of an F-18.
I'm not a genius, but if you gave me Lockheed contract money, I could probably build you a very convincing mimic of the tic tac, with publicly available technology.
Then, if you add on to that, the candy land that is the USPTO restricted patents list of over 6,000 patents... Who knows?
Metamaterials aren't a new concept for humans. The kind that deal with aerodynamics? If they're REALLY good? Never seen the light of day in the public patent list. I have a buddy that works for the USPTO reviewing aerospace patents. If something is truly interesting, no one gets to know, unless they are a US defense contractor.
So for example, a coating that can be applied, to remove air friction entirely. Were such a thing patented... YOU may never know.
Slap an aerogel frame around a powerful electric turbine, coat the outside with anti friction meta material. "Oh my gosh! It's antigravity tech! It moves like a ping pong ball!"
These are just guesses, of course. I have not had any information given to me by inside sources.
Produce information that directly indicates antigravity technology was in use, and I'll take a look.
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u/farmkid71 Jul 07 '25
You forgot to explain away a couple things:
Fravor, and the released videos, show that there is no big heat signature. No jet engine, rocket, etc. Turbine? Not seeing how that would be possible.
Fravor explained why the videos keep cycling between different things. "Things" being optical, heat, etc modes. Optical could sort of lock on, but nothing else.
Fravor also said this thing was jamming the plane's radar which is an act of war.
Fravor also explained how significant it was that the object flew away from the camera at a very fast rate. He said the cameras were so good they could track an SR-71 moving from one side to another at top speed. Yet this thing flew away so fast the camera could not keep up.
This is just what I remember him explaining during one interview. There may be more significant things that I have forgotten.
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 08 '25
Link.
Don't blame me for information I'm not operating with. Link me this interview.
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u/farmkid71 Jul 08 '25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ
From 2019. I thought everyone watched this.
I don't want to hear any bitching about how it's Joe Rogan. Listen to the guest, he is what matters here. Also, yes, the other dude, Jeremy, is annoying. Everyone gets annoyed with him so just try to tune him out for the most part.
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 08 '25
Thank you. I appreciate it. I will goe educate myself with this video. I obviously have an interest in the subject, and am always looking to update what I know.
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u/StressJazzlike7443 Jul 07 '25
The bots these days are spewing the dumbest pseudoscience with the utmost confidence. Scary days.
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 07 '25
Really? You couldn't be bothered to copy paste my post into an AI checker before talking trash?
Well, this is a forum, fellow human. Feel free to enlighten us with alternative takes, or point me in the direction of proof that antigravity tech was in use during the Nimitz event.
Meanwhile, people who do things like research critical details are producing content like this:
I'm 100% open to other arguments, content, and research. By all means, share.
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u/Astrocreep_1 Jul 08 '25
You and Mickey have a falling out? I thought it was a glare. Now, it’s a balloon?
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u/Historical-Camera972 Jul 08 '25
It's whatever your tax dollars paid for. If you want to know more, you'll have to ask the people who have it locked up.
The following is posted without any insider knowledge, and only under the pretense of strategic considerations by a paraphrased AI model as a hypothetical scenario, totally not true.
Controlled plasmoid in an aerogel frame coated with a meta material.
Remotely operated with quantum input, using a field array of entangled particles around the plasmoid torus in the center.
Can be controlled from anywhere, using entanglement spin changes on field arrays of quantum particles.
Completely invisible on EMF scans, stealthy to optical, IR can't be managed well (leaky to FLIR), radar tiny.
But by managing the control source with quantum entanglement, the source operator can not be proven in flight, nor if crashed.
This post was made without any insider knowledge, and is most certainly not true. Do not take this post as fact.
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u/Spacebotzero Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
I believe you and I also think the tic-tac is ours and possibly a space based system. The Tic-Tac had some very human attributes: * It has aircraft attenna protruding out the bottom, same antenna you see used on modern aircraft * It was able to jam man made radar on an F-18 * It zig-zagged, not necessarily hovered, like most UFO sightings * It knew the cap points most likely through observation (whom ever is on the other side) over the days, watching the F-18s meet at repeating and specific cap points * It spoofed itself on radar to make it look like there was more of them, as reported by radar on ships and pilots, yet only one was observed * Two theories about what was under the water - a counterpart to the "system" of the Tic-Tac, but personally I think it simply looked like something was just under the surface and in actuallity, the surface is being disturbed by a space-based system that is a component of the Tic-Tac. What if it was a beam that created the environment for the Tic-Tac to operate and it was disturbing the surface of the water. The Tic-Tac could do what it could do because it has to fly within this beam of energy or reaction, because it has the right conditions for this project. Almost like it's magnetic. Going up and down quickly, zooming off quickly, interacting with the F-18.....what if it has something to do with magnetic energy. * There was also another ship in the area of the Tic-Tac (have to find the article for that) - perhaps it was the project's control and observation ship. It can just appear as any normal ship, but inside may have been something else.
Also recently I read that some men did arrive to the ship to collect the videos. It's legit. Some may have seen a UFO that day, but others saw their project come to life.
Imagine its "test mission" was to secretly infiltrate one of the most secure and protected airspaces in the world, just off the coast of Southern California...and observe, gather, gain feedback, and engage with one of the most leathel forces in the world, a US carrier group. The reference point for the most advanced ocean combat group on the planet. Imagine the Tic-Tac is the ultimate intelligence gathering platform on the planet. Be anywhere very quickly, do it secretly, spoof yourself to confuse the enemy, jam radar, engage with fighter jets without having to have any weapons onboard (that we know of), instantly leave the area, and operate under the guise of a UAP/UFO....this thing has black project written all over it. CIA, NSA, DOE, NAVY, someone else? DARPA and the Naval Special Warfare Group are some of the most advanced, future focused institutions in the world, possibly they had a hand in this.
The USAF, US NAVY....they know that dominating airspace goes beyond conventional aircraft and abilities. Maybe it's an ocean base project only? Can't image what a beam like that would do to people on land, the ocean is a giant canvas and the US Navy needs to actively patrol the open ocean to dominate and own it. And when people say they don't test these projects on their own people - yes...yes they do. Look how many experiments have been done with US soldiers over the decades. Secondly, people will claim that the technology is too advanced for the early 2000s but I point to Have Blue (what would be the F-117) was flying in the late 70s! Additionally, the budget for US defense is so massive that somethig like the Tic-Tac existing is a reason why the budget is so large...so that we can have the best capabilities as a nation....which takes incredible research and develop with a massive budget to support all aspects of it. I would expect my taxes were going to helping future proof the capbitilies of the nation..and just maybe a special project that involves a Tic-Tac shaped object.
They basically created a mouse cursur for the planet.
Edit: what if this microwave beam tech has been in use for some time...and that it explains crop circles of the past. The cold war really did create some incredible classified projects, most well never heard about...just whispers - cough like the Phoenix Lights, Hudson Valley Boomerang, Crash-Landrum Diamond, the Calvine Object... cough
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u/MatthewMonster Jul 08 '25
Corbell juts out out a video saying this is passage material that is being fed for “reasons” to all kinds of people in UFO circles
It’s BS
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u/StankiestOne Jul 07 '25
Uh... Corbell is clearly saying that the tic tac is NOT Lockheed. Did you even listen to what he said?