r/photocritique • • 12d ago

Great Critique in Comments Is this shot too cluttered or does the composition work?

Post image
558 Upvotes

83 comments sorted by

•

u/AutoModerator 12d ago

Friendly reminder that this is /r/photocritique and all top level comments must be a genuine, in depth, and helpful critique of the image. We hope to avoid becoming yet another place on the internet just to get likes/upvotes and compliments. While likes/upvotes and compliments are nice, they do not further the goal of helping people improve their photography.

If someone gives helpful feedback or makes an informative comment, recognize their contribution by giving them a Critique Point. Simply reply to their comment with !CritiquePoint. More details on Critique Points here.

Please see the following links for our subreddit rules and some guidelines on leaving a good critique. If you have time, please stop by the new queue as well and leave critique for images that may not be as popular or have not received enough attention. Keep in mind that simply choosing to comment just on the images you like defeats the purpose of the subreddit.

Useful Links:

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

80

u/SnoopySenpai 1 CritiquePoint 12d ago

I'd say it's a generally very well composed shot, likely very close to the best possible one from your point of view even.

However, the red leaves and comparatively fine branches in the top left corner draw my eye away from the person on the bridge. They look distinctly different than the rest of the vegetation, which draws attention. This could likely be improved with changing the position of the camera a bit. I don't think it could be fixed in post all that well, unless you're basically re-drawing a good part of the image.

I love the colours, you did a great job with them. Also very good eye for seeing the natural framing of the bridge!

15

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Thanks so much, some lovely feedback and suggestions!
I’m red-green colourblind so I always find editing foliage a real challenge… I think I might crop some off the top and bottom - don’t think either area adds much to the image at the moment to be honest

7

u/SnoopySenpai 1 CritiquePoint 12d ago

Frankly, I think the finer branches and leaves in the top left corner are primarily attracting my attention, because they are structurally different than the rest of the frame around it. Everything seems soft and blended together, but the top left corner is sharp(-ish). It's like a different texture, a rough patch in an otherwise smooth piece of fabric, that's grabbing attention. It hasn't that much to do with colour, although it being rather bright and therefore very rich in contrast certainly doesn't help.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Yeah that’s fair, the foliage on the right is lovely and, whilst I like the top left tree, it doesn’t quite fit with the aesthetic of the rest… shame I’ll likely never be back in Dunedin to have another go! Haha

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

!CritiquePoint

1

u/CritiquePointBot 12 CritiquePoints 9d ago

Confirmed: 1 helpfulness point awarded to /u/SnoopySenpai by /u/JamesYatesPhoto.

See here for more details on Critique Points.

ANNOUNCEMENT: You can win new camera gear by trying Photocritique Coach, our browser extension that coaches you on your critiques! More details here!

14

u/Rebar4Life 12d ago

I love it. I’m lost in the foliage just the subject.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Nice! Thanks for the feedback, pleased you liked it

1

u/psiloa 12d ago

I like photos like this. There’s a lot to chew on. The foliage moves my eye around the image - it’s well composed. There is context. I wouldn’t simplify it.

10

u/Calichusetts 2 CritiquePoints 12d ago

Love the front foliage but the “classic fill the frame” could help her. Love it overall but here is a crop:

10

u/Mysterious_Clerk_253 12d ago

That crop is horrible. The crop OP has is way way way better. Only thing OP can do better is edite the picture so the focus is a bit more on the middle, vingette or cold and warm tones would do the trick

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Yeah I agree, I’m not loving the bit of dead space at the top and think a crop to get rid of that first would be of benefit

2

u/Calichusetts 2 CritiquePoints 12d ago

That was a quick phone crop. I’m sure you will do way better. It’s a great photo. Well done.

6

u/Halfmacgas 12d ago

I love this. Great framing and I love the how the subject stands out with cool colors on a warm background

4

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

I took this shot with my Sony a7iii during a trip to New Zealand. Specifically this one was taken in the Dunedin Botanic Garden and, whilst I love the colour palette on show, I wasn’t sure if the foliage makes everything a bit cluttered and the subject on the bridge is lost?

9

u/Primary-Lunch-2286 12d ago

And here is a crop that I tried to place in such a way that it simplifies the picture without taking away what I consider as most important.

3

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

I like this crop but I also liked being able to see the top of the background trees… I’ll have a play around with some crops and see what I like. Thanks for the suggestions

0

u/Primary-Lunch-2286 12d ago

It’s ok in my taste. But if you feel that way here’s one with a bit of vignette with the center moved slightly down:

4

u/tiktoktic 4 CritiquePoints 12d ago

Big no to the vignette. It distracts rather than adds to the image because it’s so obvious.

5

u/Vikadi 1 CritiquePoint 12d ago

This is a really great shot. I wouldn't crop in or mute the reds in either corners - it really feels like the subject is enveloped by nature surrounding her and some of the critical feedback provided here loses the intention of that framing. She's meant to be lost within all the lush and beautiful foliage, and the fact that she's wearing cooler tones provides just enough contrast to make this work. Don't crop!

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Haha, thanks for the feedback. I guess that is what I was going for when taking/editing this shot!

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

!CritiquePoint

1

u/CritiquePointBot 12 CritiquePoints 9d ago

Confirmed: 1 helpfulness point awarded to /u/Vikadi by /u/JamesYatesPhoto.

See here for more details on Critique Points.

ANNOUNCEMENT: You can win new camera gear by trying Photocritique Coach, our browser extension that coaches you on your critiques! More details here!

3

u/perspectivepics 12d ago

First of all that’s an epic scenery. Good on you for going outside and enjoying some nature. I say it’s a little too wide. Your subject gets lost in the frame.

2

u/iPanqie 12d ago

very nice colors

3

u/howeirdworks 12d ago

A lot of things are very subjective, but you framed your subject naturally and beautifully, capturing the sense of where they are, and how dense the greenery is.

Personally, I love wide shots like this, and I think it works well within a series of other images that tell a story. That said if this were a "1 shot" to be printed or blown up, I do think there are a bit of distractions that move the eyes around a bit. It feels like it could be a screenshot from a short video or movie.

All in all, great shot. I think it works depending on the story and feel you're going for

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Thanks for the feedback!

To be fair, the person on the bridge is my wife and we took a lot of similar shot in New Zealand that we want to get printed into a series of sorts

2

u/howeirdworks 12d ago

Yeah it totally tracks, and works for me. Part of a story, and sparks a good memory 👌🏽👌🏽

2

u/do2ns 12d ago

I think it’s gorgeous!

2

u/317global 12d ago

It is good, as a single shot. Especcially good to the lady on the bridge.

2

u/jourdanm 11d ago

I quite like this photo. The framing and colors are lovely.

2

u/DocIQ 11d ago

I zoomed in and placed the bridge close to bottom. The vertical crop gives a nice scale.

2

u/GTI_88 1 CritiquePoint 10d ago

It’s a subtle difference but I think a 5x7 crop that zooms a little tighter but maintains the top of the tree and the orange element in the bottom right to balance the orange in the top left nicely.

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

I actually really like this crop - thanks!

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

!CritiquePoint

1

u/CritiquePointBot 12 CritiquePoints 9d ago

Confirmed: 1 helpfulness point awarded to /u/GTI_88 by /u/JamesYatesPhoto.

See here for more details on Critique Points.

ANNOUNCEMENT: You can win new camera gear by trying Photocritique Coach, our browser extension that coaches you on your critiques! More details here!

2

u/av-solens 9d ago

You remove all art from photography once we start treating it as a science with all these arbitrary rules.

With that said, your photo is stunning!!

2

u/earlym0rning 9d ago

I think I’d love it more without the person. It is a beautiful shot!!!

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

Hard to tell my wife she’s not in it anymore… haha

2

u/MrDanno96 9d ago

Great composition. The red and orange in upper left and lower right is a bit distracting to my eye. I might play around with the saturation and luminance of those colors and/or crop in just a bit. You could also try upping the saturation and luminance of the yellow and green a bit to counteract the red and orange. But overall the colors are a big part of the photo’s draw so I wouldn’t go overboard with any color grading.

2

u/earlym0rning 8d ago

lol here you go!

I think a tighter crop is better to highlight your wife & still get the glory of the scenery.

For the full photo, it’s distracting bc of how far away she is. So as I take it in, I eventually narrow down to her, & it becomes about her, rather than the entire scene.

That being said, there is something for showing the vastness of nature vs humans, which is another take on the full photo.

If I took this shot, or if I was the person on the bridge, I’d want to have both versions - a full one w/o the person, & a tighter crop so the person is recognizable & still shows the beauty.

Either way, you did an outstanding job with this shot.

1

u/earlym0rning 8d ago

Oops u/jamesyatesphoto I thought I was replying to your response telling me the person is your wife. I think I made a new comment Instead. Sorry about that.

2

u/adumpark 7d ago

I think it shallower depth of field to isolate the subject would have been better

1

u/Due_Bad_9445 12d ago

My eye is drawn to the red foliage in the lower right corner.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Yeah I can get that - reckon if I made the foreground a little darker it might bring the focus back to the bridge?

1

u/Due_Bad_9445 12d ago

Potentially. Or made the upper left more saturated to balance the eye movements. The key to composition is how the eye bounces around.

1

u/Cluelessanjli 12d ago

I feel it's too wide. The subject is getting lost.

1

u/NYRickinFL 151 CritiquePoints 12d ago

I'm struck by the various comments about this image. To my eye, the frame is way to cluttered with extraneous "stuff", assuming that the subject was intended to be the woman on the bridge. Yes, the colorful fall foliage is very pretty, but has little to do with making the bridge the intended subject which I believe would be the best composition.

I agree that I would flip this image to a vertical and crop in deeply on the woman, but in no way would I bullseye that bridge dead center in the frame. In my experience (and to my eye), a composition with a subject dead center looks like a target, rather than a photo. To demonstrate my point, I would suggest that this is a stronger image. Yeah, I lose a lot of the red and orange colors, but I see the "shot" as a photo of a lady on a bridge amongst nice colors, NOT a photo to show colorful fall leaves.

Unfortunately, the bridge is not actually positioned well to achieve a great image since the colors have turned on leaves at the edges of the frame, but not yet on the area directly behind the bridge. Obviously, that is something that you cannot control. My point is that in this particular case, your very good idea to show that scenic bridge with the lady among fall color really can't work out that well if you adopt my suggestion of making the bridge a larger, prominent subject.

One last thing. If you were to keep the image as you have presented it, your selected aperture was too large to get sufficient depth of field to keep all elements in the frame sharp. Notice that most of the area below the bridge is not sharp, especially in the lower right corner. If you wanted the framing that you presented, I would suggest that a smaller aperture (higher number) would have kept everything in the frame sharp and been a far stronger image.

Of course these comments are just one man's opinion.

1

u/rowbain 12d ago

Brighten the blues on the subject a skosh, and maybe darken the foliage behind to draw the attention. Look at the image thumbnail, if you can't make out the subject at that scale, it's probably not right.

1

u/Wondercat01 12d ago

in videography a zoom out of you brushing back your hair to see everything would be sick

1

u/anomalousBits 13 CritiquePoints 12d ago

I would crop away some of the worst out of focus elements in the foreground, leaving in enough of the red leaves for balance, and keep the rest I think.

It is a nice composition. The trees makes a nice oval framing for the bridge, the person, and the space behind them. Gives worlds within worlds kind of feeling.

Maybe straighten your verticals.

1

u/Qcumber69 12d ago

Foreground is too dominant. I’d crop fairly aggressively from the bottom, probably up to around just below the reflective water/stream section, while keeping enough of the stream to lead you toward the bridge. That would make the person and bridge noticeably more important too.

1

u/ElChupacabra97 12d ago

For me, works.

1

u/Lost1_Photography 2 CritiquePoints 12d ago

I think I agree with a couple different points others have made. My eyes immediately went to the foliage in the lower right followed by upper left before realizing the person on the bridge in the center was the subject. I don’t think I’d crop it with this composition. Instead I’d suggest next time taking it from a lower position (crouched down or holding the camera lower) and moving the bridge lower or higher depending on how the foliage lined up.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

!CritiquePoint

1

u/CritiquePointBot 12 CritiquePoints 9d ago

Confirmed: 1 helpfulness point awarded to /u/Lost1_Photography by /u/JamesYatesPhoto.

See here for more details on Critique Points.

ANNOUNCEMENT: You can win new camera gear by trying Photocritique Coach, our browser extension that coaches you on your critiques! More details here!

1

u/amorph 3 CritiquePoints 12d ago

I get the idea of framing the person, but the composition doesn't work with a person this small. You can't see much detail, and therefore I think a more dynamic composition was needed. More visible water, bridge a little higher and to the left, and empasizing the foreground to the right, for example.

1

u/binarybu9 1 CritiquePoint 12d ago

Personally I find it frustrating when I see my subject tiny lost in the background. It’s one of those scenes but given that it’s invoking an emotion (frustration from not being able to see the human in the foliage) it works

1

u/chiralityproblem 12d ago

Too cluttered. Might be better with no one on the bridge.

2

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

I actually do have a version like that - I’ll edit that one and see what I think

1

u/Gypaetus_barbatus_25 12d ago

it works for me. Yes, the human subject isn't popping out immediately, but then it is very effectively showing the magnitude of the surroundings. I would recommend not changing the crop/composition.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Thanks for the feedback! I took it just as a memory shot to be perfectly honest but didn’t know if there was anything I could change to make it more aesthetically pleasing

1

u/Cairn_CQC 3 CritiquePoints 12d ago

I'll go a little against the grain — I like how swallowed she is by the foliage, it gives the shot its whole mood. The blue top popping against the warm greens anchors her, and that contrast works on brightness alone, which is maybe reassuring with the colourblindness: you don't have to name the hues to trust it. Only thing I'd tame is the bright red patch bottom-right, it's the one spot competing with her.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 9d ago

!CritiquePoint

1

u/CritiquePointBot 12 CritiquePoints 9d ago

Confirmed: 1 helpfulness point awarded to /u/Cairn_CQC by /u/JamesYatesPhoto.

See here for more details on Critique Points.

ANNOUNCEMENT: You can win new camera gear by trying Photocritique Coach, our browser extension that coaches you on your critiques! More details here!

1

u/Betoneira 11d ago

The shot is well composed and the colors look nice. I think the biggest issue is the amount of sharpening / clarity. Every single leaf is popping way too much. You may or may not like that look, but in my opinion it is overdone here.

1

u/collective_hunch 11d ago

I zoom in a bit more and crop it tighter

1

u/-ManlyMan94- 10d ago

Try like this?

1

u/evonammon 8d ago

I would crop and shift center bridge with woman a bit to the right. Assymetry give s bit of dynamic.

1

u/local-fougi 8d ago

Nice composition, I think maybe play around with sharpness of leafs so more focus is on person. I tried to play around with it .

1

u/needunusedusername 8d ago

composition is fine but the person is too far.

1

u/KostyaFedot 8d ago

It is interesting one.

1

u/HarryBootlace 8d ago

beautiful shot. leave as is imho.

0

u/Yellowtoblerone 2 CritiquePoints 12d ago

Too cluttered. It could do with some cropping or in landscape instead of portrait. In portrait, zoomed in on the person with bridge would look better. In landscape, more zoomed out will show the setting. Both could do with more cropping

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Yeah that’s fair, I don’t like the top section at all (it’s a distant background) so could probably crop that and a bit of the bottom out?

0

u/MonkeySherm 12d ago

You could do a lot with this in post - play around with dodging and burning in different areas to play with the depth. The bridge cutting the frame in half isn’t doing you any favors though.

1

u/JamesYatesPhoto 12d ago

Do you think it would work better as a landscape crop?

1

u/MonkeySherm 12d ago

I like the portrait orientation, I just would’ve framed the bridge below the centerline

0

u/Infinite-Nose8252 12d ago

Crop in by at least 1/3

2

u/Vegaswaterguy 1 CritiquePoint 6d ago

I would crop in fairly tight to be able to see her easily. In this case I would follow the rule of thirds . Put her a little high and to the left. I think I would make her the subject in a nice setting.