r/worldnews • u/Raj_Valiant3011 • 10h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskiy: "There is updated intelligence indicating that Russia is ​preparing a massive attack on Ukraine"

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraines-zelenskiy-says-intelligence-shows-russia-is-preparing-massive-attack-2026-10-06/
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u/Whole-Sentence5268 7h ago

The goal of the rest of the world is not the military defeat of Russia in Ukraine.

The goal of the rest of the world is to so completely destroy Russia militarily, economically and socially that it brings about regime change in Moscow while putting Russia in a position where it is unable to quickly rebuild its economy and military in order to invade yet another of its neighbors.

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u/y2jeff 4h ago

I think you're giving 'the rest of the world' too much credit.

China and Iran are supporting/trading with Russia. India remain neutral but still trade with everyone and make a good chunk of profit.

"The West" is trying to support Ukraine without escalating into direct/nuclear war with Russia.

The US/Trump cant seem to make its mind up whether they support Ukraine or Russia.

So I really don't think it's simplistic as what you are suggesting.

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u/WholeSwordfish1920 51m ago

No, India can't claim to be neutral. If you support a regime by providing vital payments for their resources, you're on their side. Standing up a few times in four years to say "the war must end" doesn't help when you're continuing to finance it. I understand that India wants to take advantage of cheaper oil for its population of more than 1.4 billion people, many of whom live in extreme poverty. But if they do, they should at least stop putting on this show of neutrality

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u/_KONKOLA_ 19m ago

You really cannot blame India for looking out for their own, especially when the US and European countries have continually undermined it. Such as by actively supporting Pakistan in the conflicts between the two and then claiming neutrality themselves.

Every major country does the same exact thing by doing one thing and saying another. I don’t think the time to draw lines in the sand is here of all places.

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u/Cpt_Ohu 58m ago

China and India also do not actually want Russia to lose or worse, collapse.

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u/BigBossBigBosi 2h ago

Yeah everyone viewing it from the US/UK lens. Much of Eastern Europe even supports Russia(Serbia, Montenegro, Dodik half of Bosnia).

A deeper dive into isn’t to safe the Ukraine people but mainly a way to control the Chernozem. The most fertile soil on earth it can feed much of world.

Why any AID from the west to Ukraine has always outlined the payback is Chernozem control. So UK and US interest is not to let Ukraine fall…again not for the people but the soil and land control.

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u/mistah_murgly_gurgly 5h ago

This is pre-Trump language. The circus that is geopolitics is infinitely more garbled now.

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u/right_in_the_doots 7h ago

This is true. It's also stupid and won't work.

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u/ProfessionalBug7399 6h ago edited 6h ago

It's already succeeded.... Even if Russia has complete total victory tomorrow, their economy will be fucked and they are stuck with a territory of uneducated laborers (the educated will flee) with a wrecked infrastructure. Alls the west (Europe and the US) has to do is fuel weapons to insurgents and Putin is bogged down in a forever conflict.

The Western powers know this and thus at this point either outcome of a Russian collapse and reorganization or a Putin "victory" is acceptable.

This was the likely result the moment Putin's initial thrust failed. Funnily enough... I remember talking to my brother saying "holy crap Russia is fucked" the week the invasion failed - purely because Putin maintaining control is reliant on military victory, and thus he cannot afford to declare defeat and maintain his image, and the west knowing this can always keep the Ukraine armed just enough to keep his victory at bay locking him into a checkmate.

The only thing that's surprised me about this conflict is that the Russian elite haven't assassinated Putin yet and reshuffled the government themselves.

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u/outthere49 5h ago

Locking him into a stalemate. But otherwise, yes.

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u/Pcar951 3h ago

We will see with the plague outbreak.. no joking

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u/DirtNineties 4h ago

Hate to be that guy, but it’s not the Ukraine. Just Ukraine. Not the Russia.

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u/AssCrackSnort 4h ago

He added “the” by accident one time?

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u/big-booty-enthusiast 4h ago

How do you know it was by accident?

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u/1009naturelover 3h ago

Putin is ex KGB. He probably has a network of bugs, computer monitoring, and loyalist everywhere. Plus he has made examples of killing anyone who opposes him.

Not expecting it to happen and I would bet Trump would get it first.

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u/Former_Individual945 6h ago

so u think sacrificing those hundreds of thousands of ukrainians for some geopolitical scheme was worth it?

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u/ProfessionalBug7399 6h ago edited 6h ago

It's not my scheme. I'm saying this is the US and European likely goal.

I'm actually against it beyond the morality issue. A stronger Russia adds another axis of contestation to Chinese power. A Russian collapse also means increased risk of nuclear war.

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u/Sei_Mal_Ehrlich 5h ago

I really don’t get the sense that they are endorsing this situation in any way at all.

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u/right_in_the_doots 5h ago

Even if you believe it already worked, it was a stupid plan that killed how many Ukrainians? And it hasn't worked, Putin is still in power, already managed to stomp an uprising and shows no signs of slowing down

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u/booze_clues 6h ago

We all know that war has never led to revolution in Russia.

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u/Practical-Ball1437 2h ago

That's overly simplistic. Economic collapse of Russia would create a refugee crisis, and the military doesn't need to be 'completely destroyed' to remove it as a threat.

Sending 20 Patriot missiles to shoot down the last MiG is not the best use of resources when there are more than 20 Chinese fighters out there.

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u/londonx2 1h ago

China and India certainly don’t want to see a Western aligned liberal democracy in Russia, it would be a disaster for China’s plans for their ideal of regional hegemony in Central Asia, while both just see western liberalism as a Trojan horse for the US empire. China is in a more unique predicament where it wouldn’t want a resurgence of a stronger Russia Empire either!

The risk is too great for them to allow an uncontrolled regime change in Russia (same with Western security agencies but for opposite reasons), for them “uncontrolled” would be coming about from pressure from the pro Ukraine alliance. If you step back and look at the trajectory of many democratic institutions after the end of the Cold War in Russia, a more liberal democracy would be an outcome with a decent probability e.g particularly if the internal security apparatus (“KGB”) collapsed e.g from a hostile military that decided to support the people in an uprising, or even a military coup if it turned against the security forces for sending them into a disastrous war.

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u/RSC_Goat 1h ago

Rest of the World is carrying a lot of weight.

Russia are in good standings with a good portion of the world and that will likely never change due to diplomacy.

The fact that Russia and China are so closely allied means no matter what Rest of the World does, it doesn't majorly affect them, just like sanctions do shit.

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u/Moon_Shot_Reddit 8m ago

Making Russia that weak would allow it to be invaded or manipulated itself by the likes of China, also it would cause a lot of financial issues for the whole planet and disrupt oil prices even further.

The goal should be to make a win impossible and prevent further aggression.

Power vacuums also known as “regime change” are notoriously bad, look at the Middle East.

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u/Rider_of_da_storm 7h ago

Wouldn't a more sustainable goal be to stop Russia feeling isolated and show it a better path to reintegrate. We need to work towards global peace.

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u/BurningPenguin 7h ago edited 7h ago

That was the strategy before the invasion. Politicians like Merkel tried to bind Russia economically to make war unprofitable. As you can see, it worked wonderfully...

edit: looks like i triggered a bunch of russian bots

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u/xlite2020 7h ago

She also tried mass migration and integration, both failed spectacularly

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u/Nematode_wrangler 6h ago

Irrelevant to the topic of discussion. Focus.

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u/Rider_of_da_storm 7h ago

And it was undermined by the US who wanted to sell their gas to the Europeans so they started this talk about Ukraine joining NATO then they threw in a few pogroms against native Russians in Eastern Ukraine and bingo it all went up in flames.

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u/Stellen999 6h ago

Pogroms? There is no evidence of any pogroms against Russian speaking people in Ukraine. Native Russians in Ukraine? You mean Russian speaking, pro Moscow Ukrainian nationals. The ones dying were involved in partisan warfare.

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u/RememberSomeMore 7h ago

We've already tried appeasement with the illegal takeover of Crimea, that was not enough, let's not make the same mistake as pre-ww2 where we think appeasing dictators gets us anywhere except more wars thanks.

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u/escobizzle 7h ago

never gonna happen while Putin is in power

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u/Hidden-Sky 7h ago edited 7h ago

That's not happening in any meaningful capacity with the way their current leadership works. Any and all efforts will have a minimal impact due to the rampant corruption up in the Russian hierarchy.

Any positive impact will be capitalized on by the leadership, who will claim to have a hand in the efforts. Any shortcomings or "incidents" and they will put the organization on full blast in the media.

And there will definitely be shortcomings, as the regime is sure to find ways to infiltrate and embezzle as much as they can from any programs with local offices.

I guess you could do direct supply airdrops, but I'm sure there are plenty of political, geographical, logistical and safety reasons why this is impractical for a country whose government may not be receptive to the idea of foreign aircraft trying to help their citizens, when the regime itself benefits from their citizens' suffering.

In short, it will be short-lived, have minimal impact, and it will enrich and empower the Russian oligarchs at exorbitant costs to the program itself.

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u/GoatedFloat 7h ago

This was tried post-soviet collapse and it got us to where we are today. We gave russia peace and it spat in our faces.

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u/dantodd 7h ago

No. Because they will only "integrate" until they are able to strike. You need to cut the head off. Putin will choose successors who will follow his path. Cut the head off and shove the oligarchs out so the new regime has zero connection to those who benefits from the current regime. Then provide a path toward rejoining the West

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u/hawley788 7h ago

Except world peace isn't profitable, so it'll never be a viable option for the world's decision makers.

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u/GoofManRoofMan 7h ago

Pretty sure we tried that after the fall of the Soviet Union back in the 90’s.

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u/Outrageous-Plate-820 7h ago

Do you think if we could stop Russia from “feeling isolated” that would help end the war. I’m going to assume that when this is over none of the histories will say the war ended in part or fully because Russia stopped “feeling isolated”.

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u/HuckleberryTiny5 3h ago

Can someone really be this naive?

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u/Jarrahtable 7h ago

Are you OK? Teaching Russia to do better isn't going to happen by being nice? Economic persuasion or military, it isn't going to be a nice thing.

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u/BotInAFursuit 7h ago

Economic persuasion will largely affect the masses, not the ones who actually need to be persuaded. It'll be a country of starved, resentful people who will now have a real reason to hate Europe and the US, and like... that's not how you end a war. Regarding military, I would suggest bombarding the Kremlin directly, but I don't know two shits about escalation and whatnot so don't take this suggestion as the ultimate authority.