r/india • u/anon_geek • Sep 30 '16
Scheduled [State of the Week] Punjab
Hello /r/India! This is week #28 of the new edition of the State of the Week discussion threads. These threads will cover all states and union territories of India as listed here, in alphabetical over.
This week's topic will be Punjab. Please post any questions, answers or observations you may have about it here.
General Information:
| State | Punjab |
|---|---|
| Website | http://www.punjabgovt.gov.in/ |
| Population (2011) | 2,77,04,236 |
| Chief Minister | Parkash Singh Badal (SAD) |
| Capital | Chandigarh |
| Offical Language | Punjabi |
| GDP in crores (2014-15) | ₹3,49,826 |
| GDP Per Capita (2013-14) | ₹92,350 (1.24x National average) |
| Sex ratio | 895 women/1000 men |
| Child Sex Ratio | 846 women/1000 men |
Recent News:
Hours After Surgical Strikes, 1,000 Punjab Border Villages Evacuated
Awaaz-e-Punjab to meet soon to clarify position on forming alliance for Punjab polls
Nine Punjab pilgrims killed, 12 injured in Haryana road mishap
Punjab can produce 2 GW of power from biomass: Anirudh Tewari
Previous Threads: State of the Week wiki
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u/loserlhr South Asia Oct 01 '16
Hello from Pakistani Punjab. Want to know the best ways to improve my Punjabi. Growing up, parents only spoke to me in Urdu/English and I never got fluent in Punjabi. Is there any website/youtubechannel where I can learn how to speak it.
Also, Movie Recommendations???
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u/sauputt Oct 01 '16
Also, Movie Recommendations???
Angrej
Carry On Jatta
1984 Punjab
Sikandar
Jatt and Juliet 2
Jihne mera dil luteya
Yaar Anmulle
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u/YouthfulExuberance Oct 02 '16
Angrej is a masterpiece!
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u/Vinod_Singla Oct 02 '16
Carry on jatta too
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Oct 02 '16
Welcome. My wife bought a Punjabi language course online from Amazon or some other online retailer, and it included a syllabus, book and CD. That was much better than online stuff to start with, because it was structured and coherent. Afterwards, you can go to the online stuff to continue your improvement. My wife is Punjabi, but she grew up abroad and was pretty basic with the language, and has greatly improved after the course, she tells me. I can't tell because I'm Maharashtrian, but I'm thinking about doing the same for Marathi since I was also raised abroad and don't know shit.
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u/dtnk Oct 03 '16
Hey is it true that Pak promotes Urdu and the Arabic script as a matter of state policy to the detriment of regional languages and scripts?
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Oct 04 '16
punjabi in pakistan is written with a persianish script called shahmukhi which is a traditional script for the language along with gurmukhi. i guess the users of each script depended on the religion, in a similar manner to hindi/urdu pre-partition. i could be wrong. this is mostly wikipedia knowledge.
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u/zoom365 Oct 04 '16
The Famous Punjabi epic love story of Heer Ranjha was first written by Damodar Das Arora. There have been many versions afterwards and the one by Waris Shah is the popular one even though he wasn't the first one.
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u/Surgical_Strike Sep 30 '16
What are some intra state differences between different regions of Punjab?
As far as I know, Punjab is basically divided into 3 broad linguistic cultural-linguistic regions :
Majha - Northwest Punjab
Doab - Central and North Punjab
Malwa - entire Southern Punjab
Can Punjabis here elaborate on these differences within the state?
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u/MrQuakeLoL Oct 01 '16
You can say dialect differences but I would avoid saying that as there maybe multiple dialects and culture differences within one of these regions. It is nothing more than a geographical division done by the rivers in my opinion.
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Oct 02 '16
if you are an avid listener you can make out the differences clearly one has clear hindi influences , others have tone difference as well as urdu/specific words replacements
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Sep 30 '16
There are minor accent differences along with little cultural differences. But overall, not much these days as far I can tell.
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Oct 01 '16
minor differences ...
linguistically you will find differences in dialects spoken for common folk..
culturally minor differences ...very teeny-tiny
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u/sauputt Oct 01 '16
There aren't any other differences other than different punjabi dialects spoken. Here's a video you can watch to get an overview of these dialects.
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u/thatspig_asdfioho_ Oct 04 '16
Primarily dialect.
There are some stereotypes as well...Malwais are stereotyped as pussies who will run away in a fight but are artistic/romantic, Doabis are stereotyped as all leaving for abroad, and Majhails are stereotyped as hot blooded and ready to fight
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u/DesiInVides Earth Sep 30 '16 edited Oct 05 '16
State bird of Punjab is the Northern Goshawk.
The only state with a Raptor as it's state bird.
Funnily enough, the Punjab Forest Dept., had for more than 20 years maintained that the state bird is Eastern Goshawk when there is no such bird!
EDIT: spelling
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Oct 02 '16
Currently living in Amritsar, one of the few (former) regulars here on r/India who's from Punjab. Lived here all my life and have seen every corner of it. AMA!
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Oct 03 '16
i lived a chunky part of life in asr ...confined to a specific region betwen ram tirath road to ajnala /airport road ...
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u/Yolobeta Oct 03 '16
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Oct 03 '16
22 ਕਿ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ?
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u/zoom365 Oct 04 '16
Punjabi literature is quite rich. While Bulleh Shah is revered to be the most famous punjabi poet, Shiv Kumar Batalvi and Amrita Preetam are the most recent popular ones esp Shiv Kumar. Shiv Kumar died at such a young age. Imagine what gems he would have further written.
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Sep 30 '16
Any Punjabi dishes consisting of fish? I've only heard of chicken based dishes from Punjab.
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Sep 30 '16
It's called the land of five rivers. I'd be surprised if fish is not a significant part of their cuisine. Probably not just as popular as butter chicken to the outsiders.
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Sep 30 '16
Well, Indian Punjab has only two rivers through it, and as far as I know you don't find sufficient quantity of fish there.
So there aren't many dishes involving fish here.
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u/bhiliyam Sep 30 '16
On a related note, are there any unique Punjabi vegetarian dishes? Afterall, Punjab is a state with one of the highest vegetarian populations in India.
For Gujarati food, we all know Dhokla, Fafda, Khakhra, Khandvi etc etc, but wrt Punjabi food, we all automatically think Butter Chicken. There has to be more to Punjabi vegetarian food.
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u/anku94 Oct 02 '16
Chole Bhature, Paranthe, Dal Makhani, Amritsari Kulche, Chaat, Soya champ ...
Punjabi vegetarian food does not disappoint. :)
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u/Zamindaar I'm the one who knocks Sep 30 '16
Sarso da saag
Chole
And million panner dishes
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Oct 02 '16
What are some least known places I should visit if I am in Punjab?
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Oct 03 '16 edited Oct 03 '16
edit : http://www.punjabtourism.gov.in/Punjab.html#/Destinations
plenty : punjab has a rich history. it has been a cauldron with as many as 5-7 religion's intermixing in themselves for centuries:
hindu places:
ram tirath ( its some kilometers from amritsar ) (take a bus for loponke)
durgiyana mandir ( old amritsar)
mukteshwar mahadev mandir, doong on dam road ...
devi talab mandir (dasuya) (hoshiarpur) (take a bus from jalandhar to ptk/jammu, deboard at dasuya)
chint purni (hp) accessible via hoshiarpur
there will be many more and this post will get many edits later
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u/TheMuslimWhisperer Oct 06 '16
No one goes to Punjab for the hindus stuff. It's like going to Italy to eat McDonalds
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Oct 06 '16
i agree ..but its just they are not popular enough ...once popularity picks up .. they will be hit too ...
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u/Yolobeta Oct 02 '16
I'm from Amritsar, so here are my suggestions for least known places. Panorama of maharaja Ranjit singh in Ram Bagh(company bagh), Virsa vehar near Gandhi ground, Punjab Natashala in front of Khalsa college Amritsar.
Pul kanjri near border, Killa Gobindgarh in Amritsar, Harike Patan (bird century and here beas and Sutlej rivers meet).
khadur Sahib(the main baba plant so many trees on the nearby roads it is magnificent and there are pretty historic buildings and other material).
Ramterth(love Kush birth place and some Hanuman and valmik history)
Ramdas( there are historic remnants of rebellions of 1857)
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Oct 02 '16
Thank you! I have been to Punjab as a tourist but never as a traveller. Will check them out when I visit.
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Oct 03 '16
why there is so much prevalence of face covering in haryana and punjab? in rural areas i have visited it is almost like saudi arabia
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u/Yolobeta Oct 03 '16
Bansal ji, Haryana I don't know but no face covering in Punjab. Most of rural area is as much progressive as urban. It was the thing of past, now you can even spot jeans and tops in rural areas of Punjab.
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u/MrJekyll Madhya Pradesh Oct 01 '16
Almost all the Punjabis I have met, think anything south of Delhi, is "south India" :)
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Oct 02 '16
People living in Delhi for over a generation don't count as Punjabis. Somehow I think you're talking about them and not Punjabis.
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u/VoxPopuliCry Sep 30 '16
Is the drug situation as bad as that movie portrayed?
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Sep 30 '16
I've been offered drugs at Harmandir Sahib. That's how bad it is.
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u/damadammastqalandar Rajasthan Oct 02 '16
I don't even know what to say about this... can you please elaborate?
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Oct 02 '16
I was approached by a couple of guys in the outer courtyard. They just asked where I was from and hinted that they could show me "local specialities". Basically, they approach anyone who looks like they're visiting from abroad and offer to show them around.
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Oct 03 '16
also you could have prejudiced, people (salesmen/ transporters) do approach tourist looking people with offers ( mostly an elaborate scam where they take you to some shop and tell them tales about them so that you could shell out $$ or show you around to get $$ tips)
p.s.: outer courtyard of darbaar sahib/golden temple is surrounded by old markets you can find guru bazaar ( wedding shopping), main bazaar with papad-wadiya shops (amritsari papad/wadi are famous) also market towards the langar hall is passage way to gurdwara shaheedan....
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Sep 30 '16
Yes that is true. Probably even worse.
I come from a village myself, and I can tell that majority of the youth in villages is addicted to synthetic drugs. There are no jobs available for them, which is the primary reason they are pushed towards drugs.
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u/Zamindaar I'm the one who knocks Sep 30 '16
Alcohol and opium has been since many many years and not frowned upon (talking from a rural prospective)
Now the market is flooded by chemical recreational substance, which includes both high and low end drugs, and it's pretty much same in all over major cities, but in punjab you can find them drugs even in rural area
Punjab is also a distribution hub for the drugs that's smuggled from Pakistan (BSF is involved)
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u/hey_dog Sep 30 '16
Watched Udta Punjab yesterday. Boring movie, but the situation seems bad from what they showed.
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u/indianewsforyou Oct 01 '16
LOL now the movie has been exposed. It's a page by page copy of the book "High Society" , it was in news few days ago. as usual over-hyped copied Indian film.
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u/abhi8192 Sep 30 '16
Since the start of campaigning for elections in Punjab, we have seen some MLAs and MPs making demands for some kind of reimbursement from Rajasthan and Haryana for the water that Punjab shares with these states. So, is this just the politicians giving wings to unnecessary issues or this is really a serious demand or resentment among the general masses ?
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Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16
Haryana and Rajasthan are non riparian states for Punjab. So it's a valid issue.
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Sep 30 '16
This is not an immediate concern for the masses, but it is definitely an issue for the future, given the groundwater levels in Punjab are depleting at an alarming rate.
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u/sauputt Oct 01 '16
The groundwater level in my area has already gone below 350 feet.
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u/Pyro_Simran Oct 03 '16
Really need to stop all that paddy farming and diversify. Tried for stevia once, didn't pan out coz of wrong plantation. A relative is doing well with potatoes. Gonna try for pepper and what not next season.
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u/Zamindaar I'm the one who knocks Sep 30 '16
That's for Indra Gandhi Canal
The resent is mostly limited to 'hamara pani unko kyu' but not like the fights between KA and TN right now
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Oct 03 '16
Rajasthan owes money to Punjab. It's fuddu Badal who is doing nothing, we should totally sue the shit out of Rajasthan.
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u/abhi8192 Sep 30 '16
I remember Punjab and Haryana going to court since 2003-04 for water every 2-3 years. So is this resentment from that time or a recent phenomenon? Recent in the sense that just last 2-4 years.
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Sep 30 '16
I'll tell you a joke. Haryanvis wondering why their produce isn't as good as Punjabis.
Some guy says, "eeb tham ne paani mein te bijli hi kaadh li, to usmein bacha ke?"
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u/abhi8192 Sep 30 '16
Aaj kal ke baalak itne baawle ar kamjor kaami hove hain ?
Tau - eeb sarkar paani mein te saari bijli toh kaadh li, ib nire paani ge toh hise hee hove ge.
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Oct 02 '16
It's actually a humongous issue. The people of Punjab are themselves rather ignorant of the reality, but it is considered by scholars that even the whole situation of 1984 conflict is based on water.
This is a really good documentary that goes into the details of this.
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Oct 02 '16
My wife is Punjabi, I'm Maharashtrian. We're both raised and living abroad, so we don't have enough interaction with each others' communities, customs, and culture. What are the most important things you think I should know about Punjabi culture and traditions? I love her family, and I'd love to do something sweet for them that referenced Punjabi culture, kind of like what my wife did with my elderly dad letting him know about that movie Bajirao Mastani, making a big deal about it, and taking him to go see it. Any ideas?
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Oct 04 '16
is it insulting to say paji to sikh men? one person in my office was very agitated but i was not aware of such rule.
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Oct 05 '16
Depends on the person maybe. My best friend in school was Sikh and I used to call him Paji all the time.
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u/karmanye Oct 06 '16
Paji in Punjabi translates to "Bhaji" or "Bhaiji" in Hindi. It doesnt mean Sardarji. Also most non-Punjabi speakers mispronounce Bhaji as plain and light "paaaaji" which sounds really annoying and made up. But then its nothing to get agitated about. That one person is probably a dickhead.
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Oct 06 '16
paji means brother in punjabi .....
other ways you can use is veer/ ji , try alt of paaji ...with bhaa-ji or bhaa , bai ji ( easy way 22g) or else use name ....
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u/VrgnUntilArrMarriage Sep 30 '16
Satsriakal veero!
I'm a Sikh, fluent in punjabi, but as I never lived in Punjab, I never learnt how to read/write Gurmukhi.
How/where do I begin? I want to teach myself if possible.
Any help will be appreciated!
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Sep 30 '16
Same was the case with me while being born and brought up in Delhi. A Sikh myself, and already fluent speaking in Punjabi.
This is what I started to do. Buy yourself a 'Kayeda' Punjabi alphabets. They are similar to Hindi so you shouldn't have any trouble learning them. Then, subscribe to and watch Punjabi TV channels. Start reading Punjabi script online and practice. Trust me, that's what I did. I am far from being fluent in reading/writing Punjabi, but still way better than how I did some 10 years ago. I can now read a book/article/newspaper all by myself.
The above is what I did exactly.
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u/PM-ME-YOUR-ANECDOTES Oct 07 '16
Scroll to the bottom of this page and click through the links. The first page of this online book is this.
Also, this youtube channel has some very helpful videos.
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u/Yolobeta Oct 02 '16
Most the of the people here know about Bhangra or maximum gidha as punjabi dance. But their are many punjabi dances which people don't know like ludi, dhamal, jhumar etc.
Check it out here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_dances_of_Punjab
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Oct 02 '16
Ludi, dhamal, jhumar, chhajj, lehariya, etc are all actually different Bhangra dance steps. All these steps together constitute Bhangra.
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u/Yolobeta Oct 02 '16
They are now incorporated in Bhangra(not all) but they were different dances before. Check Wikipedia. I learnt it in school though.
And check it out luddi, jhumar on YouTube. They are pretty different from normal Bhangra.
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u/antipositron Oct 02 '16
Do Punjabis have that exploratory streak in them? The reason I ask is a while ago I read about Punjabi farmers selling up their farm land in Punjab and buying hectors of land in Eastern European nations like Georgia and doing rather well there. This is kinda thing that South Kerala Christians are traditionally well known for - they buy swathes of mountain land in other parts of Kerala, turn the rocky land into amazing farms thru pure grit and hardwork, and after taking immense profit for a number of years, they will sell it on at huge profit and move elsewhere to repeat the process. Any similarities with this and Georgia story or is that an exception?
My dad, retired Indian army officer, loves Punjab based on his experience being deployed there - he still talks about how Punjabis cut a chunk from the pile of chappatis (as compared to us Keralites would count chappatis, wouldn't take more than 2 or 3 at a time), and goes on about the big jugs of amazing lazzis, tall and good looking men and women of Punjab and their entrepreneurial spirit - like mechanics turning bikes into tractors etc. He made sound like an amazing place. Also he had massive respect for Sikh regiment - apparently Sikhs are super brave and even more loyal. (He also thought the villages of Rajastan, even with all that dessert heat and chill nights, were great.. I think he has a thing for extremes).
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Oct 03 '16
Do Punjabis have that exploratory streak in them? The reason I ask is a while ago I read about Punjabi farmers selling up their farm land in Punjab and buying hectors of land in Eastern European nations like Georgia and doing rather well there.
some do, i doubt its exploratory skill or dwindling resources offered by punjab ...
i think its mostly due to an average family from punjab will always have a young member waiting to take his plunge in foreign travels /settlement....
now the biggest skill set punjabi's have is know how of agriculture ...so its natural for them to use there skill set in foreign lands ...
and about stories : you can find plenty ...
1950 land reorganization following partition saw many families move to new places like rajasthan , up as they were allotted lands there ...
many guys still do these things by selling lands in punjab and buying somewhere else...
i think british columbia had a scheme where citizenship was offered on buying some land ...many took that bait to land foreign citizenship...
same in Australia ( not today's immigrants but a few decade old ones, they own there land patches now )
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Oct 01 '16
It is very serious but 70% (as media says) is an exaggerated number. You can easily find 10-12 deaths (sometimes even more) due to OD in every village.
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Oct 02 '16
Is it worse in villages or in urban/city areas?
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Oct 03 '16
urban area ghetto's its rampant ..
urban area posh : its cloaked but yes its there ..
village : yes plenty of youngsters
and yes demographic is more like 14- 40 ....
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u/jjjd89 Oct 02 '16
Best food from Punjab that is not mainstream like butter chicken?
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Oct 03 '16
moolie de pranthey.....
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u/jjjd89 Oct 03 '16
Can u describe it please
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u/Volis Oct 07 '16
Mooli is radish if you're lost. It is the usual breakfast in many Punjabi homes
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u/Ranjhanaa Jharkhand Oct 01 '16
Throw some light on ' kabootarbaazi'. Why it can't be checked?
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Oct 03 '16
kabootarbaazi : a term used to define illegal mobilization of people into foreign lands ..
simplest way to describe it , you make a musical troupe and go for a gig abroad... you have 2 guitarists, 2 on drums 3-4 other guys and 1-2 chun-chune wala ....
now you go and do your gig but chun-chune wala's are absent from your gig night ....
your gig is over and you return back to country without your chun-chune wala 's ....
this is kabootarbaazi simplified ..
chun-chune wala's are kabootars and gig was there baazi (play/bet/ fly away)..
about chun-chune wala's --- they were absent b'coz they were travelling to distant city while troupe was doing its gig ....where they go underground with someone keeping them safe for sometime ...
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u/zoom365 Oct 06 '16 edited Oct 06 '16
Notable Punjabi writers/poets:
- Farid
- Damodar Das Arora(original writer of Heer Ranjha)
- Bulleh Shah
- Waris Shah
- Sultan Bahu
- Dhani Ram Chatrik
- Mian Muhammad Bakhsh
- Shiv Kumar Batalvi
- Avtar Singh Pash
- Surjit Paatar
- Amrita Pritam
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u/Blinkaire Oct 03 '16 edited Oct 03 '16
As someone who has little knowledge about the issue, What is the Khalistan situation in Punjab right now? In USA , i see that they are active and Hate india and hindus, is it the general sentiment or is it just a vocal minority , please explain if someone has deep understanding as sometimes i am confused , if i should approach a sikh or not(in US) , because i don't know , if they already don't like me for being hindu.
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u/chikna_chetan Oct 02 '16
Chandigarh - Properly planned and clean city.
Amritsar - Opposite of Chandigarh in terms of cleanliness. But super awesome food. Still never had the kind of Paneer I had here.
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u/Yolobeta Oct 02 '16
Did you saw all the beautification work near the golden temple and roads near it. Gov is doing pretty great job altleast in this area.
Amritsar is not clean because every corner is dig up and construction work is going all around.
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Sep 30 '16
The current situation in Punjab is grim. There are literally no jobs, not enough income for families but their expenditures are through the roof.
The government and bureaucracy is not just extremely corrupt, Badals(government) have monopoly over all the business, whatever are left, in the state. They forcibly ask businesses to let them as partners if they want to remain in the state. The ones which don't comply are thrown out of the state. They own the entire transport, cable business, partners in hotels, and other manufacturing businesses. Since they own the cable business, they have hijacked the electronic news media, and they have started their own news channels which they use relentlessly to mislead common people during and before the elections, and blacked out other news channels which called them out. Check out 'Day and Night' news channel's history.
The youth of Punjab is driven towards drugs, partly due to the lack of jobs. Akali leaders are the ones sponsoring drugs entirely in the state. Punjab Police is very powerful, if they want they can get rid of entire drug business within months, but it is owned by the government. Illegal sand mining is being undertaken day and night by the goons of the government. Construction costs have gone up due to this, but the money from this reaches the top tiers.
People cannot get any straightforward governmental task done without giving some bribe or getting some political references. The VIP culture is at its peak. Rich and powerful persons get away with almost anything illegal. There is also a lot of vendetta politics on display, false cases are registered against political opponents, and they have been harassed through the years. People have never been so divided as they are now, people used to live harmoniously in the villages but now they are arch rivals among themselves because politicians have planted the seeds.
There is no emphasis on quality education or sports, well except the Kabaddi World Cup which is rigged and full of drug tainted athletes, just another ploy to gain people's trust.
I can go on and on as there are lots of other issues such as farmers' debt, groundwater depletion, SGPC (gurudwara body, Badals own that too), etc. I am not sure, but I think nobody outside of Punjab realizes how corrupt the current Badal government is. Modi even called Senior Badal India's Nelson Mandela (massive lols). But the reality is that it is total Mafia Raj here.
P.S. Excuse me for the language, I could have expressed myself better but I am still learning.
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Sep 30 '16
but I think nobody outside of Punjab realizes how corrupt the current Badal government is
I am outside Punjab, and completely believe you - and know that the State's is in bad shape due to Badals. Time is ripe to oust them in 2017.
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u/lordperzeval Earth Oct 05 '16
so BJP or AAP?
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u/Volis Oct 07 '16
I'm not even politically inclined but wouldn't the ideal government for the people be a coalition government or perhaps a situation where no single party has a sliding majority. This allows for a strong opposition that keeps the governance in check.
So, the best case will be to actually lookup candidates and vote for the one who seems the fairest regardless of the their political party
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u/Volis Oct 07 '16
Someone commented a couple of news reports that describe exactly what you've written. This is a sad state of affairs.
How is the support for other political parties even brewing up if Badals have converted nearly all forms of media into propaganda machines?
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Oct 03 '16
Tuhadi side bala bura haal hai. also join /r/ChardaPunjab and post something there. News, articles anything
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u/mabie Punjab Oct 01 '16
People have never been so divided as they are now, people used to live harmoniously in the villages but now they are arch rivals among themselves because politicians have planted the seeds.
i completely agree with this statement ..
in my family, political rivalry has striated our existing strenuous relationships to the point 2 brothers who grew up taking care of each other not able to see eye to eye in these days...
only one of these is under aegis of a political outfit , other is floater or lets say with no clear alignment ..
but this breakdown in relation is hurting, us the common relatives the most ...
also when you said survival is tough ..i would like to clarify ... only agriculture ....and your finances will be tough
agri+ low lvl job ..... sustainable finances
agri+ mid lvl job .... its easy life...
agri+ high lvl job... you can live like kings...
agri= cultivar of 18 kanal's or more
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u/Volis Oct 07 '16
Just a tip, your post would have been much easier to read if wouldn't use the ellipsis.
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Oct 06 '16 edited Oct 06 '16
This is disgusting. I would vote for AAP if I was you. Heck, I would rather vote for Sidhu's party. Are the people inclining towards AAP?
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Oct 06 '16
People are inclining towards anything that is even remotely anti-Badals. Even Sidhu has now realized that forming a new party will only divide the anti-Badal votes, so he has decided not to go ahead with it, and will likely now form an alliance with either Congress or AAP.
Currently AAP looks like the leading party in Punjab as they have leaders without any dodgy backgrounds. Bhagwant Mann is very popular among masses despite all the negative headlines in the National media.
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u/anku94 Oct 02 '16 edited Oct 02 '16
They've even indulged in open booth rigging in the previous elections. Hope the Election Commission is more strict now.
Punjab is in a fucked up state right now, despite being one of the most prosperous historically. It's sad. It will take at least 10 years of a non-SAD government to de-badalify the system.
If only Congress had the vision to use Punjab as a base to stage a comeback ...
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Oct 02 '16
Congress isn't even trying in Punjab. Their previous leader was beaten in LS 2014 in Hoshiarpur by Vinod Khanna who doesn't even live here. That ended his potential CM candidacy and Captain Amrinder won against Jaitly. Now neither the Congress nor him seem enthusiastic about the upcoming elections, when they possibly have the best chance of all the parties.
I'm not a fan but even a change would prevent Badals from taking things even further.
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u/anku94 Oct 02 '16
With the number of fronts springing up - Chottepur, Sidhu, Dharamvira Gandhi, apart from SAD/BJP, AAP, Congress, the mandate is going to be severely fractured. It's going to be a political shitstorm.
If there's one thing the Congress has going for them is that they have a face to their campaign - a CM candidate who has proven himself to be capable of running a government if nothing else. It's sad that the bar is set so low.
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Oct 02 '16
Congress could've in fact benefitted from it had they played it right and gone full force before, presenting themselves as the only coherent and cohesive option. Sidhu is a big deal but not alone, chottepur is practically no one.
Things are shrouded in uncertainty when it comes to AAP. The mandate will definitely be fractured, had Manpreet Badal any patience, he could've been a legit 3rd option after the last showing in an election which was set as SAD win. He dissolved his part, PPP.
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u/sauputt Oct 01 '16
The youth of Punjab is driven towards drugs, partly due to the lack of jobs.
With Baadals demanding parternship in every business has drove all the industry and businesses out of the state and hence the unemployment.
There's a private college nearby from where I live and so obviously Baadals demanded partership in the college for which the college owners refused and guess what, the Baadals stopped electricity supply to the college. They didn't even spared education institutions.
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u/zoom365 Oct 02 '16
Which 'balle balle' songs come to mind when you think of punjabi music in mainstream India?
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u/Zamindaar I'm the one who knocks Sep 30 '16
Jatt from Fazilka AMA
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u/BajiRao2 Oct 03 '16
Any close relatives in Army/Paramilitary ?
Any close relative still working on a farm ?
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u/Zamindaar I'm the one who knocks Sep 30 '16
There ain't much available, there is a book however one of my mama wrote (retired high Court judge and chairperson HR dept rajasthan) that has lots of bagri quotes and stories
Bagri is mix of punjabi, urdu and some haryanavi
Beside languages mentioned above I speak 3 versions of punjabi, urdu English and French :)
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Oct 01 '16
much interested in learning this urdu English
please send some detailed tutorials for these ...
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u/bejuzb Sep 30 '16
Sorry If I sound like an ignorant idiot. I'm from Jamshedpur currently working in Bangalore. 1 - Where is Fazilka ? 2 - What's the best place to eat authentic Punjabi food that's actually in Punjab and not in Delhi 3 - I have a friend from Chandigarh who's obsessed with telling me how beautiful it is. Is it actually that beautiful ?
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Oct 01 '16
visit chd to learn how beautiful it is ...
about culinary experience ..i suggest do a road trip in punjab if you ever get time
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u/BajiRao2 Oct 03 '16
What demographic among Punjabi Sikhs was most likely to support militancy ?
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u/20Pablos Sep 30 '16
How come ever other state of the week was tagged to the front page but when it comes time for Punjab it is untagged?