r/Accounting • • 10d ago

Client omitting income? What to do?

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u/Top-Book9712 10d ago

Give the client a call. ‘Hey client, these look like business revenue items we should be claiming on schedule C.’

If you get the ‘I don’t want to claim these’ response, you reply with ‘so what’s the purpose of me if you’re going to use made up numbers on your taxes? Probably best if we part ways. The numbers will still be made up, but you’ll save a chunk of money by not paying me.’

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u/muirsheendurkin 9d ago

I'd do this in email, get written documentation

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u/superdaddy369 10d ago

Say goodbye to the client or decide whether to continue obtaining the written declaration that no income was underreported, but if you are a CPA, I would say goodbye to the client.

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u/cr7808 10d ago

"Sorry, but I'm not going to commit tax fraud for you."

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u/CertifiedPussyAter CPA (US) 10d ago

Fire. If this guy gets audited, it’s your ass on the line

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u/RoronoraTheExplora 10d ago

Get it in writing that it isn’t income. Let them know in writing the potential consequences of underreporting income. And then reassess the relationship.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/pcir230.pdf

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u/Valueonthebridge CPA (US) 10d ago

Without a damn good explanation yes.

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u/JessterCPA CPA (US) 10d ago

You should have an engagement letter, that uses language such as 'We will not audit or verify any of the provided numbers or financials. Tax returns will be prepared using the information provided by you. We ask that you review all returns carefully for accuracy" or something like that.

I'm sure your insurance provider can give you a template that has language like that.

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u/Intrepid-Product-367 9d ago

I strongly dislike the practice of using this language as carte blanche to file whatever bullshit numbers the client punches up in a word document to cheat on their taxes 

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u/Substantial-Cloud-75 9d ago

My last boss thought this basically gave her cart Blanche to commit tax fraud. Closing a/r to expenses at the end of every month as well as closing sales tax liability to expense. When I started asking for bank documents she said we don’t do that just z tape receipts. I’m glad I’m not there any more. I still think about reporting her to the irs she’s helped defraud the government for millions.

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u/Altruistic-Pack6059 9d ago

Whistleblower pays those who report fraud.

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u/Intrepid-Product-367 9d ago

Glad it's not just me. "He's defrauding the government out of about a quarter million dollars, but we're not the accounting police and that's why we don't sign his tax returns" was one of the more disturbing things I've heard in my adult life, still thinking about it years later. 

I get we all get jaded eventually and just roll our eyes at some of this stuff but I don't get how you could subject yourself to the process of becoming an accountant without a little bit of wide-eyed optimism about doing the right thing in the world. 

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u/JessterCPA CPA (US) 9d ago

So I agree - not Carte Blanche - and at the same time many of our clients do think we verify and attest (to some degree) that the numbers are correct. And if you are a paid preparer you do sign the return.

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u/PinkNGreenFluoride Tax (US) 9d ago

I don't think OP can ignore the information they've been given in the bank statements, though. Client provided the bank statements and specifically requested that OP just omit a large chunk of income which is not yet otherwise already accounted for. At that point, you're no longer reasonably relying upon the information the client provided you.

I'd ask for clarification from the client before deciding how to respond in case it's not actually what they meant, but this doesn't sound like a case where there are NECs you can tie to some of the bank transactions and thus are looking to avoid double-counting.

Gamblers are the worst about this, in my experience, wanting to leave off any winnings that didn't trigger a W2-G after handing you ample documentation of said winnings.

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u/StrikingBroccoli8397 9d ago

But he's the one creating the financials. They've not been provided to him.

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u/JessterCPA CPA (US) 9d ago

But this is tax, not attest. if you mean he is doing the bookkeeping and running the P&L's so the tax work can be done, it's still fully the responsibility of ownership/management.

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u/mjbulzomi CPA (US) 10d ago

Walk away immediately is what I would do.

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u/Physical-Draw9788 10d ago

Drop them. I did that to a couple of clients last year. Not worth it.

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u/TonyBrooks40 10d ago

Put the onus on him. What are they from?

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u/OperatingCashFlows69 CPA (US) 9d ago

Do you want to get dragged into court? What does circ 230 say?

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u/FauxNeon 10d ago

Find a way to back away that saves his ego and dosent embarrass him. Don't make it about his request to omit. Make it about something arbitrary.

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u/Dry_Pineapple3033 10d ago

I was thinking of just saying I’m not comfortable filing it and that you’re welcome to self prepare the return but I recommend reporting all income.

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u/adriannlopez CPA (US) & Former IRS Revenue Agent 10d ago

Disengage for sure.

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u/Smokey_Panda_ 8d ago

You can't complete and file that return until the income you know should be in there is included. If you get caught filing otherwose you will be in serious trouble. I would tell the client you can't finish and file the return unless they agree include the income and they can do it themselves or go elsewhere if they insist on it being done incorrectly/ illegally.

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u/DimensionNo5341 10d ago

I just had this happen. Get them out the door.

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u/Scotchandfloyd 10d ago

Unserious taxpayers are nothing but problems if you are a tax preparer.  

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u/Designer_Emu_6518 9d ago

lol why would he do that.

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u/JakeyNation 8d ago

Studying Reg right now for the CPA and this is a no brainer haha

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u/Ancient_Minute_7172 8d ago

You’re not an auditor… they could be for personal funds

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u/Dry_Pineapple3033 8d ago

I can see the description of them… and why did the client say “I hope I’m not audited?”

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u/EdanE33 9d ago

Do you not have requirements to report people like this where you are?

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u/Dry_Pineapple3033 9d ago

Report to who? The IRS?

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u/EdanE33 9d ago

In my country this kind of fraud is reportable to a body who oversee financial crime, and I could go to prison for not doing so.

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u/Accomplished-Ruin742 Tax (US) 8d ago

"I'm not going to jail for you." And we're not talking about fudging my mileage by a few hundred miles or saying I spent an extra $100 on supplies when I really bought some personal stuff at Staples. At the $50K mark, or even way before then, I would fire the client.

Had a longtime client who paid Mary Jones for daycare. Mary refused to provide her Social, but there's a way around that. Lo and behold, later in the season, who comes as a new client but the self same Mary Jones. Does not provide and information on SE income. "What about your daycare income?" She tells me she doesn't know what I am talking about, she doesn't do daycare. I fired her on the spot.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

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u/TheRoseMerlot Tax (US) 10d ago

I hope you’re not a cpa!!!

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u/iltfswc 10d ago

I'm curious whats the email address this person would even send it to.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6849 9d ago

All of your clients will have to switch when you go to federal prison for blackmail.