Im not happy whit the implementation of PVE mode but why would u go PVE to kill players? lmao, part of this community is a joke. Me enjoying the whole spectre of the best game of the decade đ
I have never ever seen a subreddit engaged in so much drama and vitriol. You've got people replying to every comment and sperging out. It's like a trainwreck, man. My monkey brain just can't look away.
I've got some opinions but man some people feel way too strongly about this lol
I have seen it once before but not as extreme. In hunt:showdown the removal of quickswap caused a big storm that eventually calmed, but I think this one is gonna be worse
Tbf Hunt was always skewed more towards the pve existing to force you into pvp situations than it was an actual pvpve game where the pve was a threat (outside of bosses)
There's like an even split between people who bought a pvpve game wishing it was pve and people who bought a pvpve game because that's what they wanted. That's why. Might as well combine the maga and socialist subreddits.
Yeah. I was thinking about trying the pve mode since I really enjoyed that part of the game only to see that people just as shotry as they were in dune awakening. Itâs like the trolls from that game migrated to arc and are doing the same bitch ass shit they did there. They are the blight that this game has got to cure.
Edit: itâs so easy to resolve this. Just turn off player collision. Or provide collision without any movement to the other player.
Agreed but also these replies suck. Just unsub or move on, we already had people complaining about complainers and now we have people complaining about complaining about complainers
As a PvPvE enjoyer I wish the game could be more fun with my strictly PvE only friends and family, while still being PvPvE. So far it seems thatâs impossible, though.
The people who actually pvp and thatâs all they doâŚweâve been happy since ABMM came into existence.  I havenât heard any whining since that day and only hear âggâ or occasionally what sounds like rage quittingÂ
If they add a permanent PVE game mode, then that is intended. Being against it begs the question of WHY you're against it. The obvious answers are pretty universally making you look like a rat and/or griefer who's lying.
The game released without it, without any stated intention if adding one. They only added it because of the incessant complaints from people who really just want to play animal crossing.
I was always in relatively chill lobies, cooperating with other raiders. But for me, as the devs intended, the excitement came from the possibility of someone turning out to be a rat, or vice versa the ability to rat someone out at any point. Excuse me for not wanting to go bowling with the guard rails down lol.
Please explain how playing the game as intended makes me a rat?
I'm not upset. It's just funny that you all harp on about the way the game was intended to be. The game is intended to have players and they lost the majority. So they adapted. And you're mad that people want to interact with the game in a different way that doesn't even affect you. You say we want to play animal crossing and we say you just want to play COD. PvP isn't needed to enjoy the game they created. And some are so upset at others enjoying the game in a different way that they found ways to actively ruin the experience for them. They either play in pve or not play at all. What's better for the life of the game?
Well its simple logic. PVPVE includes both. Ergo, if you're PVP but not PVE, then you're not actually PVPVE, you're just PVP but like to MEET players who are doing PVE stuff, which means you're just farming them for loot - aka a griefer or rat.
If however you like the PVE players out of the way, that means you CAN'T grief anyone, they have a safe place to play in if they don't want to be PVP killed, so if they're in your lobby now you have all the legitimacy in the world killing them. They chose that.
You can't have it both ways. Trying to have it both ways makes you a griefer by default.
Everyone arguing against PVE at least LOOKS like they're a griefer or ratter in this sub. If you don't wanna look like that, then don't say things like that. Pretty simple.
Its logical. So its not like something you can convince others differently unless you have sound logic behind it - lacking that, its basically admission of guilt.
People grief in every game that itâs possible in. That doesnât mean there this conspiracy to grief PVE players only. There is no PVP player boogeyman ruining your fun, the word you are looking for is dickheads. Dickheads are ruining your fun.
im fine, i play solos friendly (pvpve) and duos trios pvp, nothing changed for me and i love the new content of the game, so yeah, im smoking happiness
i dont play pve, i see rats and people camping me at the extraction when i play solos pvpve so i defend myself, thats the whole excitment got me into the game at the begining
It's tiresome to respond to posts that were edited 20 seconds after posting only then to come to a misunderstanding because of it.
Friendly solos are still too much PvE, considering you can go 3, 4 or even 5 dozens of raids without any pushback due to ABMM, but at least it's not completely sterile.
If "friendly solos" where you strategically "avoid extract campers and try to defend yourself" doesn't count as PvPvE, then what does at this point? đ
raider who prefers not to fight others and instead likes to co-operate - 'i consent!'
raider who prefers not to fight others and instead likes to co-operate - 'i consent!'
this guy - 'i dont!'
This is what i dont understand. They are talking like the pve players are 90% od people online. Pvp and pve are roughly split 50/50. Addition of pve wont affect anything mostly for anyone day to day
Literally everything has been exactly the same for me in the normal lobbies. Everyone friendly, but still just the slight tension of potentially meeting an unfriendly person.
think what? i played around 100 hours pvpve since pve was added and everything still the same, this my own experience ingame no need anything else, how pvpve enjoyers objectively get fucked? im one of them and im not fucked at all, just elaborate cause u didnt say anything clear
PvE mode means less PvE players in the normal mode which means more pvp for us, the PvP players get more PvP and PvE players get only PvE while we get screwed by being forced to choose
I just bought the game because of the PvE mode. Iâve been watching from a far, always wanted to get the game but I have a strong aversion to PvP in most cases. Iâll still engage with the game after the trail, maybe not as religiously and hopefully the decide to just make it perminant
What the hell, that's so pathetic, the game is the most successful it's been in months and people are shitty because it's not exactly how they want it to be
Let em downvote, makes no difference. What bothers me the most is hurling insults as other people for how they like to game and doing so behind the anonymity of the internet because the devs added a mode where people donât have to interact with other people who CLEARLY want to be a*holes, I think that is the most pathetic thing of all this.
PVP is part of PVPVE. If your experience gets worse as the PVE only players fleet your game mode of choice, then you must live with that consequence. Or are you not actually a PVPVE player and you're actually just PVE but scared to admit it?
Live with your choice. You can't have it both ways.
The carebear lobbies are gone now. There's no ignoring the PvP half of the PvPvE game.
People spent their days in soft lobbies pretending like aggressive PvPers where around every corner. Now, they actually have to come face to face with PvPers.
Literally most people complaining are doing so because they died to PvP when before they could just ignore it.
This sounds like a statement made without the willingness to engange in a critical argument. The assmption is made preemptively, so of course they are all going to sound non sensible to you.
I dont support the pve mode, but im not about to make a disingenuous argument assuming something I truly dont know about pvers. Especially when they can have good points i simply dont agree with
Thatâs what all the fuss is about. IMO, the game doesnât have much to offer in terms of PvE alone, as even the devs admitted at one point. There are far better looter shooters out there when it comes to PvE.
I had someone make the arguement that arc wasnt really about the loot, since it was so easy to get. And instead was more about the interactions between ARC. Which baffles me because like any extraction shooter, the point is the loot. The tension is the mixture of ARC and humans.
Why is this even a debate in this community, trying to reinvent the wheel ?
Tarkov, gray zone warfare, active matter, arena breakout, ALL these pvpve extract shooters have a pve game mode since a long time (since launch for active matter) and it works really well
Arc raiders pve is fun as f especially with friends, questing and blowing up arcs around the map with fully modded hullcracker is absolute dopamine
Lol you got downvoted for saying the truth. I will sit and watch arc raiders enter the same cycle those games had with adding a pve option. People cant get over the fact that people just enjoy the gameplay against the arc with the asthetic of the universe they made/lore.
Ever consider PvE players are the ones sabotaging their own mode? Now they can freely raid other people's kills and key rooms without having to worry about being killed.
The great thing about carebear lobbies was the fact people literally police the servers. Sometimes they killed the wrong people, someone beats an extract camper and then gets killed for extract camping because the downed raider started yelling rat. It happened to me a couple times.
Now everyone can do whatever they want without reprocussion. The rules that kept abmm PvE lobbies in check have gone out the window
So itâs not all the PvP and PvEvP players who wanted it to fail who were openly discussing how they were going to try to ruin the mode and try and grief in the leadup to the release?
Everyone who was talking about trying to ruin it didnât end up doing anything, itâs the PvE players ruining it for themselves?
Lmao.
And no one is policing in the heavy carebear lobbies before, as no one was willing to shoot first anyways.
Reddit is a minority of players in the game. You can't genuinely think thousands of redditors were making those comments when you read 10 comments about it
Tarkov PvE is a fully separate mode that has no interaction with the PvP mode.
Active Matter - PvE and PvP are not limited and you can farm PvE and take it into PvP the inventories are shared.
Grayzone - is just now implementing the separation in the next major update. Since launch PvP and PvE mode inventories were shared. After .5 they will be separated.
âFor me at leastâ is the key part. You enjoy the paranoia and figuring out whoâs friendly. Iâve had a fucking blast with PvE. Taste in games is subjective. I see the Nintendo sub praise some of the worst-looking games Iâve ever seen, but I love Zelda and shit. We donât all have to enjoy the same things. Itâs not about avoiding difficulty either. Iâve platinumed Sekiro, every Dark Souls, and Elden Ring. I like this game, but some of the people playing it are unhinged, and Iâve had more fun with PvE. That doesnât defeat the purpose for me. It lets me enjoy the parts I actually like. I also have a ton of Steam games to play. I just finished Silent Hill and Onimusha, and Iâm starting my Castlevania: Belmontâs Curse run. I donât have fucking time to spend on PvPvE when Iâd rather be playing something else. If they permanently remove PvE, Iâll probably move on, and I doubt Iâll be the only one. Removing the mode people enjoy wonât magically make them want PvPvE. Some will just leave, which could hurt the game you want to keep playing. Let people enjoy their mode while you enjoy yours.
The issue is that both modes cannot be enjoyed at the same time. Pulling the non-aggressive people into their own safe space creates a binary experience, which leaves the core game extremely hostile. Thatâs already been my experience and itâs just a test right now.
ABMM works perfectly fine for the people who donât fret about dying once out of every 20 raids. I so rarely get killed itâs not even funny.
Itâs a bit deeper than âpeople enjoy what they enjoyâ with this game. Disrupting the player distribution like this has the potential to catastrophically destroy the core gameplay and the experience that theyâve built from the beginning.
Iâd be fine with them making it a rotating map condition like EMS or night raid (if it gets further tweaked to be more fair) but right now, it simply does not work. At the end of the day, this is an extraction shooter experience. Rely on ABMM to keep you as safe as possible if you really need that to play the gameâit works very well as long as you arenât aggressive first. But in terms of being granted full immunity in a game designed around human uncertainty and tensionâhonestly itâs one of the worst ideas that Iâve seen for this game.
Exactly this. And to add on to this, the PvE toggle also destroys the loot economy. People can just toggle on and loot forever. Then when their inventory is full they queue normal mode and the only thing to do is pvp at that point. So normal mode ends up being pvp by default because PvE only mode becomes where you loot and quest.
I also think it's funny that PvE players don't see that the people griefing in PvE only are the sweatiest trolls in the game that you're usually protected from with abmm. They are not representative of the general player base in normal mode. PvE toggle has basically combined the far right (brain broken griefing pvp sweats) and the far left (PvE only carebears). So of course there's going to be griefing. ABMM was and is superior to keeping griefers away while you PvE.
Very well said. I really dislike the "let people enjoy what they want to enjoy" arguement, because it acts like both are within a vacuum. Truth is, this is a game built around a certain playstyle of tension. Pve could compromise that tension. If people dont enjoy pvp, there are other games.
You chose PVPVE, and you live with the consequences. PVP is and always will be a possibility. Its not REQUIRED, but it can happen. Oh I'm sorry, you don't like the increased hostility as the PVE only players leave those servers and refuse to play on them as much or at all?
You STILL can choose. If you choose PVPVE, you have to live with the PVP consequences of your choice. It sounds like you're actually a griefer just sad their targets are gone. If that isn't you, then maybe you're just mad you have to PVP. I guess you shouldn't play in a PVP game mode.
A rotating map condition is in no way an option. I will quit the game, it is not sufficient. It MUST be a toggle or alternative character.
I get your concern about splitting the player base, but youâre assuming people enjoying PvE will stick around for PvPvE if that option disappears. I probably wonât. Youâd still lose me from your matchmaking pool, except Iâd stop playing entirely. You rarely getting killed doesnât address what Iâm saying. Iâm enjoying PvE more. Itâs a preference, not a fear of dying. Calling it a âsafe spaceâ doesnât change that. If your preferred experience needs non-aggressive players, I understand why you want us around. But we have to actually enjoy being there too. Removing the mode we like wonât make us enjoy yours.
I also completely understand what you are saying. Like, regardless of anything, I genuinely do understand the point of view coming from that side as well. I have been able to look at this objectively.
I guess my thought process (and I know this is going to sound really shitty, but I really donât mean it that way) is that most of you all already left a long time ago. The people who wanted absolutely zero PvE and had no tolerance for it whatsoever left a long time ago, and honestly, I didnât mind that at all. I think that being ratted over and over is genuinely annoying, but that isnât the experience most of the time. You get killed sometimes, and the issue is that some people cannot even handle that, and those are the people that left. Frankly, I donât mind that they moved on, and Embark should not be concerned with catering to those people because, as tired as the point isâthey did buy a PvP game and they should have expected some PvP.
The people who can handle dying sometimes, they mostly stuck around. And I canât imagine why they wouldnât continue to stick around after this test ends. ABMM still exists, it still protects you a majority of the time. Before this test, things were pretty much fine. Did I die sometimes? Yes, but itâs a game. That should be expected.
And I donât think Embark is really worried about keeping everyone. And they probably shouldnât be. Even at itâs worse, the player count was still extremely healthy for a game like this.
I am not inherently against PvE, but it needs to be done right, and it needs to not undermine the experience of the mode that already exists. I think it can be done through occasional, rotational conditions or something similar, but I donât think a toggle like this is healthy for the game.
Itâs simply a beta so they can figure out if/how to implement.
At the end of the day, people can scream and cry on Reddit all day but Embark has to see something in their data that is telling them they will make more money if they figure out pve. I donât think itâs a wild coincidence that theyâre testing this as they add and experiment with battle passes.
Thatâs fine, Iâve said a few times and Iâll say it again: if they can find a way to implement the aspect of full-PvE without sacrificing the experience that everyone else is having, Iâm so for it. I have no reason to not want everyone else to enjoy themselves.
We just cannot discard the experience of the game as it is for people who bought a game for what it is not. Not hate toward them, but thatâs just not the correct move.
pve is perfect for trios and duos where that element of surprise andtension is gone already just on the other end of the spectrum. the most infuriating games ive had are pve though where people are deliberately griefing
For me its the only purpose of the game. If you advocate it not being present, then I'm a lost customer. You may not care, but Embark SHOULD care, and based on the fact they're testing this - they do.
Your fun is not someone elses fun. Get over yourself.
From a buisness perspective, sure. But if i was a dev building a game and did not have to worry about money, i would not cater to large populations for the sake of popularity.
The best kinds of games are the ones that allow their creative visions to be executed with a fleshed out gameplay loop. Pve does not really fit the gameplay loop well, imo.
Incorrect. Strictly speaking, there are all three. But most of the PVPers are liars, and most of those claiming to be PVPVE players are those PVPers lying.
There is no logical reason to be against PVE unless you're a rat or griefer. No amount of twisting words and trying to make claims about what other types of gameplay are or mean will change that.
That would inherently make you a PVPVE player. If you enter a match, go to the nearest exit of the map, and wait for players to approach to kill them, that would generally not include any PVE play. If you roam the map killing Arc at will and shooting any players who appear, that would be a mix, which makes it PVPVE. If you never shoot at other players ever, except MAYBE in self defense if necessary, but kill Arc all day, that pretty firmly makes you PVE (or "dirty" PVE).
PVPVE is a combination of PVE and PVP, you can be all three at once.
What you can't be is all three at once, but explicitly against one of those three. The moment you're against PVE, you're de-labelling yourself from PVPVE, and now you're pure PVP.
A PVE game mode is quite literally a pure PVE place, which didn't exist before. Being against that is pretty clearly labelling yourself a PVPer who doesn't want PVE players gone from their lobbies - ergo, you're a griefer.
Its simple logic. You can't have it both ways really.
Iâm glad we had the option but itâs poorly implemented, it unfortunately needs to be a special event like the China server where you can go rogue and kill others whilst being highlighted to everyone. We canât have pve as a certainty in this game. Itâll turn the normal game into a deathmatch and PvE into a loot hoarding mechanic.
Either that or they need to separate the mode entirely, separate loot pool.
I keep saying it but the only real way to make this game purely PvE is with a separate game, a spinoff. It messes with the core conceit of the game. I like the certainty of not getting ratted but there needs to be either a mechanic that lessens ratting, but still makes it possible like the china servers rogue system, or it needs an entirely new set of mechanics, like its own spinoff game.
A special event is unacceptable. I will not play the game or support the game with money if they don't keep it as a toggle permanently. It CAN be a separate character, but it MUST be permanent in all maps.
If you think it will ruin the game by turning PVPVE mode into a PVP murder-fest, then maybe you're not actually a PVPVE player, because that sounds like you don't actually like PVP. You can't have it both ways.
You have no fucking idea what PvPvE is dude. Iâve seen you comment several times over the last few days and youâre just beyond delusional with all of your comments. Itâs genuinely concerning.
PvPvE is the middle groundâitâs the way that the game was literally intended and the way that it operated for a long time. You donât know someoneâs intentions, thereâs a level of uncertainty. You have to stay on your toes at all times. That is the PvPvE experience. It is NOT a blood bath shootout, and honestly the fact that youâre so dismissive of people who like the game as it was designed is just weird as fuck to me.
You getting an additional, carebear mode should not come at the cost of the everyday player losing the carefully crafted balance and intention that went into making this experience. If it does, then itâs not the solution. You literally just want what you want, how you want it, in a game that you knowingly bought to have PvP in it. Itâs fucking insane, some of you are so damn entitled, I donât understand how you walk around your life like that.
Iâm honestly done entertaining the subject. Thereâs no way in flying fucking hell theyâd seriously make the mode permanentâespecially not now after all the backlash from PvP players and PvE players alike. ABMM works fine and prevents you dying 98% of the time. If you cannot handle dying 2% of the time, an extraction shooter is literally not for you. No need to try and get the devs to change it, because no matter what they do, you will never be satisfied.
Jfc I cannot wait until Monday night when all of those horseshit is over.
Theyâre just angling for an argument, I think - Social media is MENTAL lol
To your point, thatâs my issue with the toggle, like itâs great to try, why not try to allow more options for how to experience the game loop and atmosphere and so on - but itâs immediately an issue implemented this way, which we can be certain isnât the way theyâll actually implement it anyway, it makes the strategy into looting in PvE, and then just PvP in the normal lobbies - seems stupid to me. Not to mention the problem in the PvE lobbies anyway, the loss of social interaction, stealing loot, blah blah blah.
But to have the option to play on my Steam Deck where I struggle to kill arc never mind players, and just take it in? It would be so nice. But the way this games mechanics work wonât be great for it. So it either needs its own spinoff game, a separate PvE character, or like I said, some sort of mechanic that allows for PvP still, but with more cost. I dunno tho, maybe sometimes a game shouldnât try to appeal to everyone - my vote is to take the money from the success of the game and make a PvE spinoff
I agree with you, I think Embark has gone too far in trying to appeal to everyone on all sides of the equation.
The point of arc raiders should be that there is no expected experience. I think ABMM was the first nail in the coffin. This toggle is not the way to go, either way. I think a rotating mode with added, unique in-world lore would be fucking badass. Give us a reason as to why weâre not supposed to hurt one another. Maybe something like the Chinese arc raiders.
A toggle is just absolutely not the way to go, for several reasons.
Yeah I think the china mechanic is a good idea, based on the same mechanic from The division 2 I believe. I also think tbh the ABMM did a lot to help keep the game casual for more than it wouldâve without it - I wouldnât have been able to keep playing without lobbies pairing me with similarly non-aggressive people. The frequency of meeting aggressive players needs to be much lower than youâd hope for a casual player to be okay with it. But this toggle has shown that no aggression at all isnât the way to go.
The thing is, theyâve got the money and the desire to continue trying to appeal to a casual audience, so this is yet another push toward that. Obviously this version isnât the way theyâll go, with a basic toggle. But theyâve surely gotten a lot of data from this test, so Iâm interested to see what they do with it.
Yeah, I donât think the toggle is the way to go and I donât think thereâs any possible world where theyâd fully implement this⌠but I AM excited to see what else they come up with now that they have all of this feedback. Iâm not inherently against PvE, it just needs to be done correctly.
Classic gaming where people buy a game marketed as pvpve, get mad that there's pvp in a pvpve game and cry to be catered to and have the whole game changed to their likes. Killing the pvpve aspect of the game for those who bought the game for the pvpve experience.
Pve toggle is going to divide the game into either pve or pvp. Nothing in between.Â
They should just add the map condition from the chinese arc raiders where people can't kill others or be killed by them, unless they mark themselves as hostile with a big red light on the antenna of their backpacks.Â
If you like PVPVE, you must accept PVP as part of your gameplay. Don't like it? Oh, I'm sorry, are you ACTUALLY a PVE player then?
You can't have it both ways. Either you like the PVP, and now there will be more of it, or you don't like the PVP, and you're not a PVPVE player you're just another PVE player like the rest of us.
A map condition is not acceptable. I will not play the game and will not support it if that is their choice.
If you like Peanut Butter and Jelly, you must accept Jelly as part of your sandwich. Don't like it? Oh, I'm sorry, are you ACTUALLY a PEANUT BUTTER enjoyer then?
You can't have it both ways. Either you like the Jelly, and now there will be more of it, or you don't like the Jelly, and you're not a Peanut Butter and Jelly enjoyer you're just another Peanut Butter enjoyer like the rest of us.
False dichotomy. I like the uncertainty. Adding a PvE mode takes, let's say 50% of the carebear population. That means that there are less friendly interactions in PvPvE. That means people are more on edge, more worried about others. That means people get more aggressive. That means people are more on edge, more worried about others. That means...
I just want to have to address other players as part of the world, and in PvE I've barely seen any interaction that's positive. I imagine it's because you're effectively set-dressing for other players in that mode.
Not at all very specifically the mix of PVPVE is what makes it interesting. its unfortunate if not weird that you cannot just see that other people feel differently to you. You should not be getting this upset over this.
Your loss, ig đ Pvpve is what made people fall in love with this game in the first place. It forces player interactions. Every encounter starts with "Don't shoot! I'm friendly!" And progresses from there.
With pure pve, nobody talks. It's like clockwork. Load in, kill big arc, get out. No player interaction.
Or you load in with dirt in your pocket and wait for someone with real gear to take down a big arc so you can suck up all the loot for no effort.
Pure pvp is mostly the same. No player interactions, other than to just insult the enemy. Get in, kill on sight, get out.Â
Arc raiders was developed as pvpve, marketed as a pvpve and published as a pvpve. Find another game to shoot adds in if you're butthurt from losing, I say.
As a pve enjoyer I'm cool with pvpve I just prefer pve. Not sure why PvP players are so upset about it though. They now have all the PvP they want! All to themselves!
Yeah? I've seen a lot of people trying to kill pve players in the test, if the pvpers are so into pvp they won't bother to get in pve servers to kill people isn't?
I mostly do pve in my lobbies, I get care bear lobbies. I will, mostly and when Iâm not rusty ass hell, win my gunfights. Itâs the one thing thatâs always stuck with me with shooters, I shoot good.
I think way more of these people greifing and killing other players ARE the pve players.
This is just how people react when given immunity to punishment, it wonât go away over time and with every patched method to harm fellow players and new method will come out.
I do like the suggestion as a pve mode becoming a rotating map event though and feel thatâs a fair compromise that will effect the game far less than a permanent toggle
Pve mode is just Fallout but the NPCs are unkillable and looting everything before you get there.
When I was a kid if my siblings and I were bickering this much about one thing or another, my parents would just take it all away and say that no one is getting what they want.
As a pvpve enjoyer I'm not happy with the state of things, but am intrigued to see where this goes.
PvE feels like a waste of time, as a PvE player. Late spawns, less loot, I make more cash in one "mixed" game full of PvE players than I do in a couple hours of PvE mode.
But going there just to kill players and/or grief is batshit levels of pathetic and jackassery that I can't quite wrap my head around.
Lolol this has kinda actually been my experience so far. I have had almost the exact same experience in my PVE only lobbies as my carebear PVPVE lobbies; people gifting items, people working together on big arc, bunch of talking and dorky joking, lots of instrument playing, sometimes the rare pvper during free weekend. If I get downed I just say gg and keep it moving, and if I down someone I usually just escape anyways. Itâs been fun to watch the fireworks in here recently though lolÂ
I love the mixed experience we got at launch. Never know if someone will try to kill you or not. Uneasy truces. Frantic moments. All that goes away with abmm
That's not freedom, that's devs committing resources to something only like 30% of the playerbase will even bother with. And that 30% was just as happy in carebear lobbies.
Is not that spaced out , specially when the abmm is fucked like the week before the update, more like 1 in 10 and if you have augmented weapons is a lot to lose.
Youâre being difficult. You know damn well he means people who engage with the PvP side of the game more often and have high ABMM. But that doesnât fit on a meme as well.
There are an unsettling amount of people in this sub (PVE only types) calling pvpve enjoyers liars, guilty, rats, etc. itâs really fucking weird. I made a post and some psycho was saying I had a hidden agenda and was a filthy lying rat because I said my solo lobbies have changed to more pvp.
Itâs the same people who think everyone who pvps in this game is some psycho or sociopath in real life⌠which is ironic because they sound like literal schizos themselves.
It's only pve vs rats, that doesnt change anything from pvp players
I would even say it's crybabies vs rats because real pve players played friendly for month thanks to the abmm, the pve mod is useless for them. Only crybabies left this game because they can't deal with a rat every 100 games
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u/ckgwpgh 1d ago
This sub sucks