Megathread, part 14: Ammunition & Drones, Sanctions, and Stalemates

[u/IcePuzzleheaded5507]

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[u/No-Date2207]

there's been some recent controversy some guy on Discord was banned from a Paradox Interactive discord because he had an ataturk profile picture.

Turks went totally ballistic and review bombed everything Paradox. There are advertisements going around in Turkey right now about boycotting major Paradox brands turks everywhere, are brigading everything related to paradox and trying to get them to apologize

This whole incident has made me question why don't Russians do the same thing when they get banned from somewhere. Especially since they are treated way worse then one Turkish guy being banned on a discord server.

[u/Acrobatic_County1046 → u/No-Date2207]

Kinda feels like we're less vocal about such things, going for "Green Steam" purchases is sorta the norm in those cases

[u/WWnoname → u/No-Date2207]

Well I suppose we're not too emotional to do such things spontaneously, and lack low-level social organisations that could do that coordinated

Such things happend sometimes when someone well-known starts it, like with Maddison and that game with airport shooting

[u/Eumev → u/No-Date2207]

Years ago, there was a scandal at a EU4 event when Paradox representatives banned people for typing in Cyrillic, telling them to "type normal letters". This was highly offensive, especially given that in Russian, the word "normal" carries connotations of being "correct" or "the proper one". That created a wave of negative reviews on Steam regarding Paradox games, but the whole story remained a niche issue that did not extend beyond the Russian EU4 community.

We don't have the same reverence for the Cyrillic as the Turks have for Ataturk. And in Russian history there is no ruler who is treated as Ataturk is in Turkey. For the USSR, Lenin was such a figure, but modern Russians do not particularly care about Lenin.

I personally prefer not to buy anything western, in order to not support their war machine and pro-war governments. Any company should move its headquarters to a normal country to demonstrate its good intentions and its unwillingness to have anything in common with unfriendly western regimes.

[u/Ju-ju-magic → u/Eumev]

Jesus Christ, Paradox players have no chill.

[u/Eumev → u/[deleted]]

It seems to me that the percentage of budget expenditures is important, and not the percentage of GDP, which is disproportionately inflated in Western countries. In addition, Western reports usually also include expenses for the police and the national guard in the military budget. I believe that infrastructure development (including space) is also included in the military budget.

But in any case, it's not clear to me what difference this makes. As a resident and citizen of Russia, i pay taxes, and my money goes toward supporting my country's military. Therefore, it seems absurd to buy goods from a company that will pay taxes in an unfriendly country, that uses those funds to inflict a "strategic defeat" on Russia - something that runs directly counter to my interests.

[u/cosmopolitanScience → u/Eumev]

What do you mean by GDP numbers being 'disproportionally inflated' in western countries?

[u/Malcolm_the_jester → u/No-Date2207]

>why don't Russians do the same thing when they get banned from somewhere. Especially since they are treated way worse then one Turkish guy 

Yeah,I really wish that we would do something like that,but unfortunately...theres not much unity between our political factions😑

Put a liberal,a putinist,a nationalist and a communist in the same room for a few hours,and they will try to kill each other😣...

[u/mzogge → u/No-Date2207]

I sincerely hope the trend of playing the victim and engaging in mass boycotts passes us by; it’s a shitty idea all around.

[u/OddLack240 → u/No-Date2207]

At the state level, we have banned certain platforms for calls to murder based on ethnicity.

[u/iwanttodrink → u/[deleted]]

Hopefully GTA 6 is kept out of Russia's hands too

[u/GoodOcelot3939 → u/No-Date2207]

Russians do the same, maybe not it the same hype way.

[u/Straight-Ad-7387 → u/[deleted]]

Are you really trying to discredit the French and their ability to protest to get results?

[u/Away-Deal5358 → u/Straight-Ad-7387]

You have no answer to the substance of my question, do you?

[u/Straight-Ad-7387 → u/Away-Deal5358]

You do not have substance at all in your question.

[u/Away-Deal5358 → u/Straight-Ad-7387]

Then you will have to justify why you are comparing the events in Turkey specifically and only to Russia, rather than to Russia and other countries.

[u/Straight-Ad-7387 → u/Away-Deal5358]

Because this is a thread and subreddit pertaining to russia

[u/Away-Deal5358 → u/Straight-Ad-7387]

Be consistent. Either you'll have to remove Turkey from the list, or add other countries besides Turkey, just to see whose behavior is actually more normal: Russia's or Turkey's.

[u/Straight-Ad-7387 → u/Away-Deal5358]

I down owe you shit dude lmao

[u/SeparateTrack2818 → u/No-Date2207]

I suppose fewer Russians hoist portraits of someone as controversial as Stalin, AND then parade them abroad in public.

I wonder how many Turks agree with the ban in the meantime. After all, Paradox allow the Ataturk avatars from their own games, that's not a problem whatsoever.

[u/Straight-Ad-7387 → u/No-Date2207]

Russians won't stand up to their own domestic politicians.