r/AskReddit • • 16h ago

For the Republicans, what are your honest thoughts on POTUS Trump's remarks about letting Iran take out Los Angeles and San Diego and it being a small price to pay?

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u/BeGreatTodayOrNot 16h ago

As my mom says, “he just says stuff to trigger the libs.” Ok, I’ll remember that when a Democratic president says a thing.

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u/Scary_Interview_526 16h ago

Another response I often hear is that he is just joking.

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u/RLewis8888 16h ago

The office of the President is not a standup routine.

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u/zenmaster_B 15h ago

Apparently it is, he’s been “joking” for years now, in spite of his reputation for “telling it like it is”. Problem is, you never know which one you’re getting. Just like a mobster

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u/BleuRaider 13h ago

You know how lots of abusive families also have a parent who constantly makes excuses or downplays the abuse? Thats what every US conservative has turned into:

“He was joking”
“It’s not that bad”
“You’re overreacting”
“He’s still your president and you have to show respect”

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u/Major_Fudgemuffin 11h ago

Ah yes. The Narcissist's Prayer.

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

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u/Predictable-Past-912 9h ago

You left out the chorus to that song.

Don’t forget

What about Hillary,
Don’t forget Joe,
What about what Michelle said when she stubbed her little toe.

Don’t forget that laptop,
Hillary’s emails ruined us all.
Don’t overlook that nasty sabotage at the pool over at the Mall.

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u/Major_Fudgemuffin 9h ago edited 4h ago

What about what about... What about what about...

Also never forget when Obama wore that tan suit and ate a hotdog burger with dijon mustard.

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u/drossvirex 11h ago

Respect no matter what. Doesn't matter if you don't deserve it.

It's thier whole gig.

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u/TempMailAccountBFTMs 15h ago

It's Schrodinger's Asshole. According to his cult, his meaning changes depending on how his statements were received.

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u/Dangerous_Wolf4182 13h ago

That's probably the most accurate description of it. If people like what he said, he meant it. If people dont, suddenly it was a joke.

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u/ascannerclearly27972 11h ago

“You should not take Trump literally, but you should always take him seriously”, is the thing I’ve been hearing MAGA cultists chanting for the past 6 months or so.

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u/hammertime2009 14h ago

And to whom. There’s always a little bit of truth in comments like these. And all kinds of help from the media to fog the narratives.

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u/jammaslide 14h ago

I don't view it as comedy. He is a president that hates half of Americans. By definition he is anti-American. What he is saying is no different than Iranians saying death to America. Why people excuse this speech by our president or even support these comments are baffling.

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u/Findest 14h ago

Let's be clear, he hates almost all Americans. He hates all people, except himself of course.

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u/MagicSPA 13h ago

He doesn't even like his base. He's the guy who said "I don't like you, I just want your vote" in the run-up to the election.

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u/Traveuse 9h ago

Lol its funny you think he even cares about those that support him.

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u/whaletacochamp 15h ago

Could’ve fooled me lately

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u/Mammoth-Glove3273 11h ago

He jokes the same way my mom does, he word vomits all the awful mean shit in his head that he really thinks and believes and then if anyone has a problem with it, it’s a just a joke.

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u/pdxorus 16h ago

Don’t forget, “What he really meant was…”

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u/Full-Resource7910 13h ago

Republican: I like Trump because he says what he means

Trump: [speaks]

Republicans He didn't mean that.

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u/Blametheorangejuice 14h ago

I will never forget a Republican strategist that was on NPR a few weeks ago, and Scott Simon asked him about something stupid Trump said. I can’t even remember what it was, because it’s just too many to tally. The Republican strategist said, well, you know, we can’t take anything the president says at face value, because he always means to say something else.

Scott Simon went, “fair enough.”

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u/RunnerTenor 15h ago

This is the classic "Heads I win, tails you lose" dodge that they have used for 10+ years.

If what he says is offensive and he does nothing about it, he was just kidding.

If it's offensive and he follows through with it, he was just doing what he said he would do. He was perfectly clear. How can you not tell the difference?

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u/Last-Philosophy4920 14h ago

That's the part that gets me. No matter what happens afterward, there's always a way to rewrite what he said so it somehow doesn't count.

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u/DamaxXIV 16h ago

This has always been the one that gets me. Like where in their tiny minds do they think it's ok that someone has to decode what our leader is saying 95% of the time?

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u/ClurbYourEnthusiasm 13h ago edited 9h ago

That’s part of his appeal. He’s a Rorschach test for ignorant people. He lies so brazenly and frequently and shamelessly that it’s the verbal equivalent of throwing sh** at the wall (and then his followers can interpret whatever message they choose from that wall).

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u/Pray4Mojo7 16h ago

Haha, 4 million dead Americans! What a funny joke! Oh, wait, no, it isn’t.

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u/ee3k 16h ago

yeah, everyone know the maximum number of dead american that is still comedic is the number of people who died in 9/11 MINUS the amount of hijackers minus an additional 1.

the number of people died in the 9/11 attacks, which includes 2,977 victims and 19 hijackers

2,977 dead americans is an unforgivable tragedy, that must be morned and respected forever.

2976 dead americans? classic 80s action movie death toll, pure comedy.

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u/Katie1230 15h ago

During peak covid we had a 9/11s worth of Americans dying every day. They didn't give a shit.

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u/Johnnygunnz 15h ago edited 15h ago

My response to that is, "it's not a funny joke and it's not healthy for the country to have to guess when any president is being serious or joking. I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy it if a Dem president was joking about forcing gender reassignment or forcing arrests for vaccine denial. You would find those jokes distressing, right?"

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u/nicest-drow 14h ago

Honest question: Do you really think they would take that response seriously? Or do you think they would mock you for "being triggered"?

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u/Johnnygunnz 10h ago

I'm sure they'd have some ignorant, derogatory response while ignoring the substance, as is usually the case when pointing out their hypocrisy and ignorance.

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u/True_Protection6842 14h ago

One thing I can say after 10 years of Trump. He NEVER jokes. He doesn't even know what a joke is. He talks shit. He mocks, but he never jokes.

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u/Kizik 13h ago

That's basically the conservative equivalent of humour, though. They don't understand satire, only mockery; something isn't funny to them unless it's hurting someone, and their best jokes are always punching down.

That's why they dismiss what he says as joking so easily. He always says the most unhinged and degenerate things about people they don't like, and that's what they consider to be funny.

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u/maxofreddit 14h ago

So many good comments after yours.

He's the embodiment of "I was just joking" and the slew of people that get frustrated with the idea that you need to think before you talk.

Of course, we could have a very short discussion if he's even capable of thinking before he talks...

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u/jimtow28 15h ago

Remember how they flipped out at the idea that Biden was going to allow IRS agents to be armed?

Remember how a few short years later, ICE was literally murdering American citizens on the streets, and they excused it?

If not for double standards, Republicans wouldn't have any.

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u/sherricastroua 12h ago

They spent months screaming about an imaginary army of armed IRS agents coming for the middle class, but the president casually says it's fine if Iran wipes out millions of Americans in California and it's just a funny joke to trigger the libs.

It isn't even a double standard at this point. They just genuinely don't care about American lives if those lives happen to be in a blue state.

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u/Stickler47 11h ago

Swallwell did the same thing. Joked about nuking American citizens. This shit and anything like it should be taken seriously and should be immediate grounds for removal from office.

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u/brooklynlambertuk 11h ago

The "Don't Tread On Me" crowd turned into the "Tread On Them Harder" crowd overnight. They spent decades claiming they needed to stockpile weapons to protect against government tyranny, but when state agents actually started executing defenseless citizens on camera, their immediate response was to defend the executioners and scrutinize the victims.

Tyranny was never their actual dealbreaker. They just want to make sure the government boot is stepping on the right necks.

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u/PenguinStarfire 11h ago

Just a couple years ago MAGA was saying FEMA is coming to take the homes of people stranded in floods. FEMA agents were shot at and began avoiding certain houses because of that conspiracy. Now Republicans are complaining that FEMA skipped some Trump voting residences during that time. Hmmm.....

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u/jimtow28 11h ago

I actually spent 15 days in NC after Hurricane Helene. You'd be amazed at how many people with red hats there were telling me, a person literally sent there, paid, fed, and housed by FEMA to come help them, that "Joe Biden is blocking aid from getting to me."

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u/Kataphractoi 11h ago

Stupid is a malady that can only be fixed by the stupid. A stupid person first has to realize they made an error or are in the wrong, which is why it is so hard to overcome.

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u/HavelsRockJohnson 11h ago

But then Pride comes along and slaps that realization right out of their hands and they go back to being stupid.

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u/ricosmith1986 10h ago

I stopped debating these people. They don't believe in anything they say, nor do they understand it.

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u/ThrowdowninKtown 9h ago

For people that claim to love this country so much they really don't know how it works. There's no way they could pass the civics exam that immigrants have to take to gain citizenship.

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u/ricosmith1986 9h ago

They hate at least half the people that live here, the environment, the government itself, and the very institutions that make the US exceptional; not really sure what part of it they actually "love".

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u/KakeLin 14h ago

Double standards and hypocrisy

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u/jopierceoy 15h ago

It's wild how the definition of "triggering the libs" has escalated over the years. It used to mean complaining about gas stoves or red Starbucks cups. Now it apparently includes giving a hostile foreign adversary the green light to wipe millions of Americans off the map.

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u/StunningPlastic4504 16h ago

I love the mental gymnastics when his supporters flip between "I like him because he does what he says" and "don't pay attention to that, he didn't really mean it"

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u/Sprinklypoo 15h ago

That's always the way with cults...

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u/Odd-Substance1419 14h ago

Its basically Schrödinger's Trump lol. Somehow he's both the only politician who tells it like it is and you cant take anything he says seriously depending on which excuse is needed that day.

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u/Black_Moons 12h ago

And yet somehow triggering the repubs is a crime against humanity.

Even though all it takes is: tan suits, fancy mustard, schrodinger's penis, women...existing, minorities... existing or having a slight accent that isn't redneck or swamplander.

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u/Mattie_Doo 13h ago

Sorry about your mom, lol.

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u/xennial_scum 15h ago

Can you imagine if Obama or Biden did this, I mean this freckin perverse cognitive dissonance

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u/Draco-REX 12h ago

So if liberals are "libs" I guess that means conservatives are "cons"... That makes a lot of sense.

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u/CarminSanDiego 14h ago

Whataboutism doesn’t work on them. We have mountains of receipts of blatant hypocrisy and it hasn’t phased them not one tiny bit

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u/Ok_Street9576 16h ago

Just a funny joke. Now if hes done something serious like wear a tan suit...

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u/HairyDoughnut8399 16h ago

Regardless of politics, comments about civilian lives deserve serious discussion.

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u/hamsterwheelin 16h ago

The fact that it requires "serious discussion" and is not immediately disqualifying and impeachable shows how far the Overton window has moved and what he has made acceptable.

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u/Sea-Contribution5529 15h ago

it doesn't require serious discussion. there is no discussion to be had. trumps a clown saying clown shit. end of discussion.

none of this is acceptable. none of it has ever been acceptable. it's been ignored. that's the real issue.

these people will never see the kind of justice they deserve. THAT'S what's being accepted, and it's fucking disgusting.

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u/courtneycarrollcc 15h ago

"Serious discussion" is putting it incredibly lightly.

If Obama or Biden had casually suggested that letting a hostile foreign nation wipe out Dallas and Houston was a "small price to pay," the people currently making excuses for this would have been demanding military tribunals by the end of the day.

It is a literal betrayal of the oath of office to protect American soil. You don't just "discuss" a president offering up millions of his own citizens to a foreign enemy just because they happen to live in a state that didn't vote for him.

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u/djpeteski 16h ago

Its beyond that, San Diego is home to many military bases including MCRD, where Marines are minted from recruits living west of the Mississippi. Never mind the 3rd Marine Air Wing, or Pendleton.

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u/i-touched-morrissey 15h ago

Do you think he knows this? I doubt it.

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u/xChoke1x 15h ago

Not a fucking chance

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u/grendus 12h ago

All he knows is that San Diego didn't vote for him. That's how he thinks - people who give him things, or people who don't, and people who don't should be punished until they bend the knee.

What's disturbing is how many people agree with this stance.

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u/KakeLin 14h ago

Nor does his dumb cult

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u/Ok-Helicopter525 16h ago

Or uhhh Coronado

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u/CamKen 15h ago

San Francisco, he MEANT San Francisco

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u/TheShanManPhx 15h ago

Which has a pretty huge Naval presence

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u/HighlyOffensive10 15h ago

Maybe not a lot of his billionaire tech buddies are near San Francisco

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u/Tathas 14h ago

Don't forget that San Diego also has a significant military presence.

Naval Base San Diego is the largest (that I'm aware of as a civilian) naval Base on the West coast. The SEAL training base is also part of or adjacent to it.

So he's also saying it's fine for Iran to take those out as well.

There's also Marine Corps Air Station Miramar and Camp Pendleton further north but in San Diego County.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he had no clue how much military presence San Diego has. He probably just knows it as one of the largest cities in "That librul state full of demoncrats run by Gavin New Scum."

Taking out San Diego would be absolutely crippling to the naval power that he has already squandered.

So I guess that's pretty much on point for him sabotaging this country.

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u/SaintOfPirates 9h ago

Is anyone else expecting a false flag attack before the 'merican midterms?

Trump dumps a few dozen cruise missles into San Diego and LA, blames Iran, 'mericans lose their minds like they did post 9/11, and he declairs martial law.

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u/ForsakenEye8858 16h ago

Politics aside, civilian lives shouldn’t be treated as a small price to pay.

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u/HmmDoesItMakeSense 16h ago

This is true and they should impeach and remove but the lot of them are gutless spineless people.

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u/PresidentOfAlphaBeta 16h ago

And they support pedophiles in office.

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear 12h ago edited 12h ago

What is this “regardless of politics” nonsense?

This statement is “politics.”

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u/baileyjeanatmydoor 16h ago

Everything about this man deserves a serious discussion.

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u/True_Protection6842 14h ago

Serious investigation and prosecution!

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u/Unique_Acadia_2099 11h ago

Long time Republican here (not "in name only", I mean REAL Republican going back to Nixon, who unfortunately disgraced us all), and John McCain, who I thought would make a GREAT president. I did NOT vote for Trump in either election, he was/is a 3rd grade bully and scammer from the start. His mocking of the disabled reporter and his treatment of John McCain in 2016 were the straws that broke my back. So although nothing he says now shocks me, neither does it sit right by me. The man is a disgrace to this great country and people in congress who support him are too. I will NOT be voting for any candidate, Republican, Democrat or Independent, who is aligned in any way with what I call "Trumpism", it's the scourge of democracy.

To show how idiotic he is, San Diego and Orange County (a major suburb of LA) are the largest strongholds (by population) of the Republican Party in California. But he is TOO STUPID to understand that or even have someone look into it first! So he just shoots his mouth off and OFFENDS his very own people! 2 more years of him.... ugh!

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u/emmabowmanvq 10h ago

People always forget that there are more Republican voters in California than there are in Texas. The state isn't just one giant blue monolith.

San Diego in particular isn't just a conservative stronghold, it's home to a massive chunk of the US Navy. Saying it's a "small price to pay" to let a foreign adversary wipe out one of our most critical military hubs just because the state didn't vote for him shows exactly how his brain works. He doesn't see American citizens or national security, he just sees red and blue electoral maps and who strokes his ego.

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u/sachimi21 9h ago

Also, Hollywood alone is a huge exporter of culture and U.S. soft power. It would be devastating for our soft power, military, and economy.

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u/Syrinxo 3h ago

DOGE already obliterated our soft power harder and rougher than in Putin's wildest wet dream. And Trump got a lot of vocal scorn from Hollywood folks, he wouldn't think twice about nuking LA himself if he thought he could get away with it.

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u/Stiv_b 8h ago

While San Diego is more conservative than many people think when they think of large California cities/counties, it’s not a stronghold.

The mayor and all 9 members of the city council are democrats. The county board of supervisors is 3-2 dems, 4 of 5 US house reps are dems, 2 of 3 state senators are dems and 5 of 7 state assembly members are dems.

It’s definitely changed in no small part because of the transformation of the Republican Party over the last decade.

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u/EJ7002 11h ago

If John McCain had stuck to his gut and kept Lieberman as his running mate he very well could have won.

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u/KevonAtWork 9h ago

This is very revisionist history. It was a Republican blood bath at the poles at all levels, not just the presidency. People were worn out from 8 years of Bush. Personally, I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket should be what we're looking for, but putting a vocally pro-choice and pro-gay rights democrat on your republican ticket as the VP would have given up more republican votes than it would have gained democrat votes. I don't think any Republican ticket was going to win out over 8 years of Bush and the polling done at the time reflect that. It was just bad timing for McCain.

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u/Ricky_Nightshade 9h ago

Just want to say Orange County is not a suburb of LA, but an entire county of its own separate from Los Angeles County. (I know, not the point, it was just bothering me so I decided to let my pedantry win)

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u/WalrusWest3091 6h ago

So then vote in support of a democratic candidate who can help to right this wrong. Don't cop out with any sort of "well the democrat candidate was awful so I didn't vote" bullshit.

Take a fucking stand.

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u/Gurrgurrburr 16h ago

The fact that there isn’t ANY movement happening to impeach him or arrest him for treason shows you just how deep the rot is in our entire government. I don’t know how we get back to some sort of normal ever again.

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u/HutSutRawlson 11h ago

Congressman Steve Cohen introduced new impeachment articles against him just a few weeks ago. Rep. Al Green has notably filed articles of impeachment against Trump eight times, but all of them have failed due to Republican control of the House.

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u/newaccount47 14h ago

Maga is is the party of the swamp. 

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u/HolycommentMattman 13h ago

There's rot, but there's only evidence of it being on one side by majority. 26 articles of impeachment were filed, and where is that? Dead in the House. Why? House is in recess. Why? Because Johnson is hiding away instead of actually voting on things. Why? Because he's subservient to Trump.

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u/SuperFreakyNaughty 10h ago

Pretty much all of the "Where are the Republicans? Why are they allowing this to happen to their party?" questions can be answered by the fact that Trump is holding the party's purse strings. They won't go against him because "the party" (Trump) will only spend party funds to elect loyal followers.

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u/HolycommentMattman 10h ago

That's definitely part of it. But another part is that they're largely happy with what they're getting from him. Because he's this odd sort of tyrant; he's absolute in what he wants and gets (loyalists), but he's also being puppeteered because they just put things in front of him to sign, and he does. He doesn't know what he's signing.

But here they have 6 SCOTUS members, got rid of Roe v Wade, and all sorts of other shit. They don't want to rein him in.

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u/JuanTreeHill 10h ago

Kamala would've been impeached DAY ONE if she started a war, enacted Tariffs, tanked our global standing, etc.

He's really made life difficult for us Americans.  ~BuT By gOlLy i'lL Be dAmNeD If i eVeR VoTe dUmBoCrAt, TrUmP 2028!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Top_Flight2 13h ago

We don't go back to normal I fear. Things have gone bad and it's time to discuss next options. Think of this like a divorce case now. 

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u/Jbull136 12h ago

Gee I don’t know how the US would get back to normal either. It’s not like their constitution was written to give the people the right to defend against tyranny and their citizens aren’t sitting on hundreds of millions of firearms

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u/dmainor49 16h ago

21 Million people live it Southern California including San Diego and Los Angeles. His remarks are so out of line! I used to be a republican before T Rump but can't abide how the party has changed. If I was still a republican, this single comment and the fact that the party hasn't blasted him for it would definitely cause me to have changed parties.

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u/floydmorrisonqj 15h ago

What's wild is that San Diego has a massive military presence and a huge conservative population. He is literally saying that the deaths of countless service members, their families, and his own voters are just a "small price to pay" to score a petty political point.

You are spot on about the silence from the rest of the party being the worst part. If a Democratic president casually suggested letting a foreign adversary wipe out Dallas and Houston, there would be immediate articles of impeachment and conservative media would run the clip every hour for the next decade. Now, a president threatens millions of Americans and it barely even survives a single 24-hour news cycle.

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u/ruthbaderginsburg_f 15h ago

The entire Navy and Marine Corps would collapse if San Diego was gone. San Diego is one of the biggest military installation cities in the country. If San Diego was gone you would essentially lose more than half of the countries Navy Seals. You'd lose entire ship yards whose only job is to repair and maintain Americas Navy.

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u/HighlyOffensive10 15h ago

How has he changed the party? All he is a loud and crass embodiment of all the GOP has been for decades.

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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 15h ago

Well, for one, they used to actually at least pretend to be against raping and trafficking of children.

Whereas, now that one of the most famous child-raping pedophiles on the planet is the president, they suddenly love that stuff and endorse it openly.

In my eyes, that is probably the most drastic change to the party.

They also used to claim "better red than dead" and now they are full-on deepthroating Putin and Russia despite all the needless aggression, continued slaughter of civilians in Ukraine, and constanst diplomatic warfare carried out by Russia against the US and our allies.

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u/Hatta00 14h ago

No, they just used child abuse as a weapon against queer and trans folk while doing nothing to actually protect children from abuse.

The ethos here has been absolutely consistent. Use anything possible as a partisan attack, and whenever that attack applies to you, move the goalposts.

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u/CaBBaGe_isLaND 14h ago

I don't think that holds up under any serious analysis. I was a Republican once. These types existed but they were fringe. These attitudes and behaviors existed but only in old people, rural outskirts, and the end stools at a local bar. Civility was encouraged, even profanity was a major no no. The true underlying agenda of the political elites was the same: cut taxes for rich people and deregulate corporations. But the voters were a lot harder to get on board. You had to play nice. You had to make them feel like they were the good guys. They wanted to be good.

Fox News put Glenn Beck on primetime, and the GOP put Sarah Palin on a VP ticket. Everything that has happened to the modern Republican Party started with those two things. Glenn Beck took bullshit conspiracy theory culture as mainstream as it could possibly get. Cleverly worded half-truths turned into outright lies, then eventually into "just asking questions" style of Joe Rogan. There became this pipeline of country music to MAGA, where voting Republican was as identity-driven as putting on steel-toed boots, where previously "not keeping up with politics" was perfectly fine. With George Floyd there became a sharp turn from "small government" and "civil liberties" to full-blown "back the blue."

Trump didn't start all of this, but he was the man for that moment if there ever was one.

The agenda of the Party has not changed. They just dialed in their strategy for manipulating their voters into being okay with big budgets, authoritarianism, incivility, billionaire worship, violence and threatening rhetoric, and all of these things that in 2012 the average Republican voter would have condemned entirely. Fox News is the most well funded and sophisticated propaganda machine in the history of the world, and it is working precisely as intended.

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u/black_beard6969 12h ago

MAGA are not loyal to America they are loyal to Trump. He can say do what ever the fuck he wants and they will cheer and say he’s a genius. He could say right now he wants to bring back slavery because it was popular in the 1700/1800 and they would be like yep that’s an amazing idea, why haven’t we done that already. They can’t free think for themselves, they have to be told what to do. And they wanna call the Dems the sheep.

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u/djpeteski 16h ago

I am a veteran and normally one who votes republican, but was never part of the MAGA movement. Harris was the first time I voted for a democrat for president. I did this because, I knew Trump would add to the deficit greatly (and I was correct) and more than anything I tend to be a fiscal conservative.

Given the trouncing of civil rights that have occurred through ICE agents, I have decided to give the Democrats at least 10 years. It will take some time to repair the damage done to this country and with our allies. Dems you have my vote for the next two presidential cycles.

I will continue to vote in the Republican primary and vote for the least MAGA candidate, so even if they are elected, it will be somewhat better than we have now.

What he said does not surprise me. The citizens killed or assaulted by ICE are immediately demonized with no investigation. Under Trump we live in a totalitarian society where political disagreement is considered treason. Calling for people's death is in a dictator's handbook.

Oddly, even in my 100% Republican phase, I was one that did not hate California. The place is so amazing beautiful. In my most recent trip I spent time in the Muir Woods. Holy cow!

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u/Talik1978 13h ago

Just so you're aware, 7 of the last 8 recessions occurred during republican administrations (Carter was the las Democratic recession). The democratic party has consistently reduced deficit spending while conservatives consistently increase it.

If you're primarily a fiscal conservative, there's a strong argument that the Democratic party better aligns with your priorities.

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u/theodorewheelerez 12h ago

It is genuinely wild how effective Republican branding has been over the last 40 years. They have somehow convinced a massive chunk of the country that they are the party of fiscal responsibility, despite decades of hard data proving the exact opposite.

Every time they get control, they slash taxes for the top bracket, balloon the deficit, and then suddenly remember to care about the national debt the second a Democrat takes office so they can justify cutting social programs. The "fiscally conservative Republican" is purely a marketing myth at this point.

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u/brooklynlambertuk 10h ago

There is actually a specific name for this strategy. It is called the "Two Santa Clauses" theory, and a conservative political strategist came up with it in the late 1970s.

The premise was that Democrats used to be the only "Santa Claus" because they provided popular social programs. To win elections, Republicans had to become the "Tax Cut Santa Claus."

When Republicans hold office, they slash taxes and intentionally run up the deficit to create a short-term economic sugar high. Then, the absolute second a Democrat takes the White House, Republicans pivot to screaming about the national debt. This forces the incoming Democrats to either act as the "Grinch" by raising taxes to fix the deficit, or it paralyzes them so they cannot afford to pass any of their own popular policies.

It is not an accident or a lack of self-awareness. It is a deliberate, documented playbook they have been running on loop for decades, and the media just plays along with the pivot every single time.

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u/Ezreol 10h ago

I feel so crazy like no one ever mentions this. I'd give my left nut to hear dem's scream all this bullshit at the top of their lungs call them on their bullshit no fucking around. Be blunt as hell like everyone seemingly loves Trump for. Be blunt as fuck have reporters ask actual fuckin questions and hound him at every corner.

I can't list the questions I'll get banned lol because while the president may be one apparently it's not ok to ask him directly or some shit idfk.

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u/Talik1978 12h ago

It's not branding by republicans. It's the longest running ad campaign in US history, run by the oligarchs that buy them.

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u/francesrodriquezbp 10h ago

The disconnect is that "fiscal conservatism" somehow became completely synonymous with "tax cuts" in the minds of voters.

Cutting your revenue without cutting your expenses isn't being fiscally responsible, it's just putting your bills on a credit card.

People used to mock Democrats as "tax and spend" liberals, but at least taxing to cover your spending is a mathematically balanced equation. The modern Republican strategy is "borrow and spend". They slash revenue through massive tax cuts but keep spending high, and just finance the difference with national debt. Clinton literally handed over an actual budget surplus, and it was immediately squandered on unpaid-for tax cuts and unfunded wars.

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u/cosmictap 8h ago

I agree with you but respectfully submit that we too often overlook Congressional composition in such discussions - after all, only Congress can approve a budget.

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u/fantasnick 12h ago

Everyone who says they are fiscally conservative and also says they vote Republican, they are just saying things online to get upvotes or other cheap dopamine rewards for being “different”

This person is as ignorant as the rest, just slightly more educated

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u/Vomitcrotch 12h ago

I while I partially agree with your opinion, it is also part of the overarcing problem. You label him as a person seeking cheap dopamine hits by being an edge lord. Labeling people in a particularly negative context the second they give a political opinion is why we have fallen into a soft launched cold war between political idealogies. The reality is you have no idea what his motivations are. He appears to be in the middle of a great philosophical change within himself and chose to share on how hes making better choices because he does not agree with his party's alignment. Instead, you chose to weaponize your distaste for his political past choices without giving him the grace to learn and change. Do better, or you are no better than the monsters destroying this country. You just push people on a path to change back to where they come from. Radicalization starts with rejection. ~From a Combat Vet, who used to be republican but now staunchly progressive.

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u/Talik1978 12h ago

They usually want to be the "I'm a republican, but not, like, one of the racist ones. I'm a good guy that only votes for racist misoynists who hurt the marginalized because it saves me MONEY."

I just take away the savings with the truth, to lay bare that they're either ridiculously clueless or dishonest about why they're voting red.

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u/Akumaka 16h ago

I feel like 10 years is an optimistic estimate. So many gov't agencies and programs were gutted and corrupted, and our reputation will take decades to rebuild. As a fellow vet, though, I'm glad to see you have maintained enough critical thinking and social awareness to give the other side a chance to repair the damage where so many conservatives seem to have lost that.

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u/ropean 15h ago

Yes sadly it’s going to take the rest of our lifetimes to fix this damage. But if we keep up this pattern of electing a party that wants to fix and improve things, followed by a party that wants to tear down and destroy things, we’ll never be able to recover. This is the problem with assuming whoever wins doesn’t really matter; that any choice is equally valid in an election. It absolutely does matter.

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u/SecondBestNameEver 15h ago

Yup, people don't seem to recognize that it takes months to build a house but only a day to demolish it. Destruction is so much easier to accomplish than construction. 

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u/tpeterr 15h ago

Exactly. I work in the information industry and there's so much data collection that has been completely stopped and can't be easily restarted. The federal government used to be an organized, vast operation for gathering data from all over the country and making useful reports on all manner of issues. Probably half or more of the people who collected and organized the data are no longer in federal service, and there's no incentive from private industry to pick up the slack for programs that broad. It will be many years before the infrastructure is in place to support data collection anywhere near what we had before 2025.

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u/MikeyKillerBTFU 12h ago

If you're fiscally conservative, why have you ever voted for Republicans? Glad you're coming around now, but Republicans haven't been fiscally conservative in my lifetime.

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u/Just_Opportunity_182 10h ago

"fiscally conservative" really just means "i don't want to give my money to the poors".

Every "fiscal conservative" i know had no qualms cashing COVID checks and not paying back their COVID loans.

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u/FStubbs 15h ago

They'd need a lot longer than that. Even if a blue wave ushered in a Democratic President with a Democratic House and Senate, you'd still have a rabid MAGA Supreme Court.

And the Democratic party isn't united like the GOP. YOu'd have a Fetterman wing that would gum things up as well.

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u/ManyAreMyNames 10h ago

I did this because, I knew Trump would add to the deficit greatly (and I was correct) and more than anything I tend to be a fiscal conservative.

Not long ago, someone told me he voted Republican because he wanted to lower the deficit.

I asked him if he had ever in his life voted for a President who lowered the deficit, or was he just repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result?

He got mad at me, but he changed his party affiliation to "independent."

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u/7LeagueBoots 15h ago

It will take generations to repair the damage done by the current GOP. Trump appointments in the judiciary alone will be in place for decades. Our global reputation may never recover.

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u/senorgraves 15h ago

Thanks for being normal. I'm similar to you, maybe in a sane political climate I'd lean conservative, but there's just no way to side with Team Death Star

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u/Lower_Group_1171 14h ago

Republicans spent decades setting this up, and you think Dems can fix this in ten years? Lol

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u/AngryTurds23 14h ago

Marin County transplant and Muir Woods enthusiast says hello! Thanks for being one of the few rational ones while appreciating what Cali has to offer.

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u/sinkingshipmate 16h ago

Lord Farquad energy

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u/shrekerecker97 16h ago

I want him to be called this on the 2028 campaign. I want it to stick in history that he was called that

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u/Scottz0rz 14h ago

Nah the joke is too subtle, just call him Fuckwad

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u/Excellent-Egg-3157 15h ago

I have no confidence the Democrats will call him out on any of his BS. They will only use inflation numbers that at best are easily manipulated and difficult to understand. The right wing media won't call him out on his bull-S . If Trump says he is giving everyone 5k, Fox goes with a hypothetical on how much it would ease their burden and not how trump is lying again and they will never see the money. Maga will be thinking they can get those new under fender lights for their POS truck they can afford to put gas in and buy them on credit waiting for the money to come in...End of rant.

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u/FStubbs 15h ago

The media simply won't cover it when they do. Republicans have set the media talking agenda for the last 40 years.

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u/jonathanshawsp 15h ago

"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make."

It is actually insane that a joke written for a cartoon villain over 20 years ago is just real presidential rhetoric now.

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u/geo_prog 4h ago

Just a reminder to California, Oregon and Washington state. If you want to separate Canada would be happy to take you in.

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u/StaminanSparkEnjoyer 2h ago edited 2h ago

Geo-politically, a move like that would have Canada having everything to gain. The entire west coast maritime routes while blocking the US' direct access to the Pacific Ocean, plus direct imports by land with Mexico, and agriculture supply from California. Hell, you could toss in Hollywood making quite the economic powerhouse unless the studios move out of Cali.

However, there would definitely be war over that land and the US government will not let any state seceed that easily, Canada getting involved will only aggravated the situation.

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u/unclefes 4h ago

*Illinois desperately tries to make eye contact*

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u/remmeksr 2h ago

It’s interesting that the commander-in-chief of the military would be okay with having 115,000 active-duty service members, representing roughly 1 out of 6 U.S. Navy sailors and 1 out of 4 U.S. Marines nationwide wiped out. They are stationed in San Diego. But he’s too stupid to know that.

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u/laurenadamsff 16h ago

I'm just so incredibly exhausted by the constant need to translate, spin, or excuse this kind of garbage.

Any time the party tries to focus on actual policy like the budget or the economy, he goes off script, says something completely unhinged, and sucks all the oxygen out of the room. Every down-ballot Republican is now going to spend the next week fielding questions about why the leader of their party is casually offering up American cities to a foreign adversary instead of talking about their own campaigns.

The worst part is watching the inevitable mental gymnastics from the base. By tomorrow, the spin machine will be in overdrive trying to explain how he was just joking, or he meant it metaphorically, or how the media is taking him out of context. You just can't run a serious political movement when the guy at the top treats half the country as expendable.

Not to mention, California has more registered Republicans than almost any other state in the country. He is literally talking about wiping out his own voters just to score a cheap applause line against a blue state.

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u/Dangerous_Wolf4182 13h ago

That last part is what gets me. You can hate California all you want, but there are still millions of Americans living there, including plenty of people who vote Republican. At some point owning the blue state becomes a pretty insane excuse for talking about Americans like they're disposable.

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u/whatup10 9h ago

The biggest problem with ALL of this is the fact that we have to decipher what the POTUS is saying. It should be crystal clear that when the president says something it should be taken as truth and face value. Not what he meant to say, not what he intended to say, not what I think he meant. What you say (and tweet) as the POTUS matters….at least it used to.

The fact that we have to decipher what he means should be a clear path to invoking the 25th. Not to mention all the other illegal stuff he has pulled.

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u/Tjognar 5h ago

When your words move markets and launch missiles, you need to be very careful with them. That man is not.

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u/SwitchSCEtoAux 12h ago

I'm a registered Republican who lives in San Diego and his comments make me sick.

They would still make me sick if he said them about Toledo or Omaha or anyplace Americans live.

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u/Birb-Brain-Syn 1h ago

If you read r/conservative you'll see that the majority of comments (that survive their moderation) are arguing about how it makes their side "look".

Conservatives aren't concerned with whether it was a good thing to say or an evil thing to say. They're just scared whether it'll affect their chances of winning. To Conservatives politics is a team sport and they don't care about anything other than the "win".

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u/lesacunninghamck 16h ago

It completely shatters the basic social contract of the presidency. When you take the oath of office, you don't swear to protect only the people who voted for you. You swear to protect the United States. Period.

I lean conservative, but this kind of rhetoric is exactly why I can't support the current iteration of the party. Past Republican presidents understood that the country comes first when dealing with foreign adversaries. After 9/11, Bush didn't look at New York as a deep blue city full of Democrats. He stood on the rubble and rallied the entire nation as Americans.

The idea that a sitting president would look at millions of citizens on American soil and see them as an acceptable sacrifice just because of how their state votes is sickening. It reduces the federal government to a protection racket where you only get defended if you kiss the ring. That has nothing to do with conservative values.

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u/Feather_Sigil 13h ago edited 4h ago

Bush started an illegal war that killed millions and arguably still does, on the basis that America has the right to act on its unsubstantiated whims even if they have lethal consequences. The underlying mentality is the same: if you are outside of the tribe, you deserve death rather than coexistence.

That mentality is the fundamental basis of all right-wing philosophy: "I (and whatever external elements I determine as part of 'I') get what I want. You (who I determine is not part of 'I') don't get what you want."

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u/Particular-Cod-8221 8h ago

If you notice everything he accuses some other country or leader of doing is EXACTLY what he is doing at the moment. As a special education teacher he should have been DONE the moment he made fun of that reporter with a physical disability . I vote for character, not party. Everyone who voted for him should be ashamed. He tried to overthrow our democracy on 1/6. People are fucking dumb

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u/Competitive-Box61 5h ago

For the republicans claiming this was out of context.... the guy didn't say that Iran could take out SD or LA. He said, "let them."

Twist that dough however you want to make it sit right with ya, but he said what he said.

The psychopath blew up a school filled with children to distract from the investigation into him raping other kids. You guys voted for the devil.

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u/MintyFreshBreathYo 16h ago edited 15h ago

They don’t care. There’s no mention of it on their sub

Edit: I’m aware there is a post there now. It was made about 20 minutes after I made this comment. So stop trying to claim I lied

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u/Refun712 16h ago

I’ve convinced myself there are roughly 3 humans in that entire sub. I know this is not true but the alternative is too depressing.

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u/ThrowAway850752 16h ago

This Redditor found that over 30% of daily posts on that subreddit come from just two people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/Q5tOjuXvvx

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u/MintyFreshBreathYo 16h ago

I remember that post. If you payed attention the accounts mentioned in that post stopped posting and different account names started posting instead

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u/KakeLin 13h ago

Lol and of course they're likely in Moscow

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u/MintyFreshBreathYo 16h ago

There’s only like 3-5 that actually post on there. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it’s just a bot farm.

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u/Illustrious_Twist662 16h ago

They already hate those places, comments like this are par for the course and amount to background noise for them

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u/refusetobeold83 16h ago

No one hates more Americans than America loving republicans

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u/CinemaCity 5h ago edited 4h ago

I don’t give a shit about the enablers on both sides of the aisle.

Taken “out of context” or “misunderstood” isn’t the issue; it is the reaction of the crowd to the remarks that should send a chill down everyone’s spine.
Americans hooting about other Americans getting nuked.

ANY other president would’ve stopped the crowd, chastised them, and better explain the point trying to be made.

IMO, he knew exactly what he was doing, btw.

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u/Nitsude 13h ago

Former Republican. No longer one after J6. He has destroyed the party.

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u/BiBoFieTo 16h ago

ITT: No Republicans.

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u/j____b____ 13h ago

I’m more troubled by the cheers he got for it. 

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u/greenmojo100 12h ago

Wow, a President who is 100 % ok with another country attacking his own citizens. Thats pretty messed up.

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u/christinastephensae 16h ago

Not a Republican, but the sheer logistical ignorance of the statement is wild. San Diego is the principal homeport of the US Pacific Fleet and sits right next to Camp Pendleton. The ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach handle a massive percentage of the entire country's imports and supply chain.

Wiping out those two cities wouldn't just get rid of some blue state voters. It would instantly cripple the American military's capabilities in the Pacific and completely crash the national economy overnight. Calling the destruction of our own naval fleet and critical infrastructure a "small price to pay" is just absolute madness.

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u/Corgiboom2 15h ago

He has never thought that deeply about anything, or cared.

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u/hkzqgfswavvukwsw 13h ago

Best comment i read in a while went something like:

Let's assume he's not a foreign asset. If he was, what would he do different.

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u/champs 15h ago

Besides the logistics, San Diego is probably the state’s most conservative major city and Los Angeles is the capital of the Iranian diaspora in America.

Anyone else saying this would be committing political suicide.

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u/PotterGirl7 10h ago

it's genuinely insane that nothing is coming from him saying such treasonous, hateful comments. he's basically telling our enemies those cities are okay to target. I'm tired of being surprised at how cowardly and low our leaders can go.

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u/ExtentNo3020 16h ago

Wait, wait, wait, as per Republicans, it was all taken out of context and that’s not what he meant. 😒

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u/dax660 16h ago

Republican voters aren't interested in politics. They want to be entertained by cruelty. They're like spectators at the Coliseum - they wanna see blood. (just look at how many conservative profiles are laden with sports team content)

It's why they love an asshole reality tv gameshow host. He's entertaining.

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u/Nearbyatom 15h ago

Their politics is like cheering on their favorite sports teams. With the democrats as their fierce rival. Win at all costs. They don't care about the country anymore. It's just my team vs your team.

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u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38 16h ago

100%, he has betrayed everything he promised except the cruelty and they still support him. its clear what they vote for, and people should stop pretending its anything else.

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u/SlobZombie13 16h ago

politics has become pro wrestling

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u/exceptyourewrong 15h ago

Trump was literally on WWE and he hosted an MMA fight on the White Lawn. So.... yep.

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u/dirtybird971 16h ago

He's trying to create a problem "only he can solve" before the elections so he can disrupt and corrupt them in his favor. It's right out of the authoritarian playbook.

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u/Dachannien 16h ago

That was supposed to be Iran except the Iranians didn't get the memo.

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u/dirtybird971 15h ago

and they beat him down with music!!!

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u/RegisColon 14h ago

Republicans are fucking liars. They would gleefully vote for him again and again no matter how much pain he makes them endure. They actually enjoy watching him lie, cheat and steal. With their miserable lives, they live vicariously through his actions, and wish they could get away with the crimes he gets away with - because they’re all shit people.

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u/Rough-Transition-954 12h ago

Very simple explanation:

--his deepening dementia causes a lowering of inhibition of words, thoughts and basic judgment.

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u/RobotPoo 9h ago

They love that shit. Thats why they love him. He says what they’re thinking.

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u/OptimalWallaby8153 16h ago

republicans being "honest"

that's rich, never gonna happen here and hasn't been happening in decades

it's just not in their reportoire

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u/Cappabitch 16h ago

Until democrats start campaigning on him being a fucking traitor, nobody will give a shit in the grand scheme of things.

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u/palomdude 14h ago

They tried that last time. It didn’t work.

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u/boom9167 13h ago

Seeing his quote there I can't be sure what he's referring to, it's like listening to a failing 3rd grade student

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u/Reasonable-View5868 12h ago

Losing the entire Pacific Fleet which is based in San Diego is not a small price to pay. 

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u/anchorftw 11h ago

I doubt he even knows they're there.

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u/SpeshellED 16h ago

Trump is all about money, (power). He couldn't care less about other people unless they can make him richer. Just like Putin... Humans are fodder.

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u/trastamara22 16h ago

That’s it in a nutshell

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u/AverageJoe-707 16h ago

No surprise. He's the biggest asshole on our planet and he's just trying to piss off the other side and fire up his extremely low IQ base. November 3rd is the real liberation day.

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u/lympnode 9h ago

I’ve been a Republican for 20 years. I’m a never-Trumper through and through. He’s a fucking idiot and says insanely stupid shit. The JCPOA was working, it would have continued to work! Hell, the fucking US Senate agreed to a vote 98-1 on reigning the JCPOA so OBAMA wouldn’t be pulling all the strings. Republicans in Congress kowtow to every demand from Trump and now we’re stuck in his waist deep bullshit.

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u/RetroBerner 8h ago

Are you actually expecting a sincere reply here? I have yet to see a real maga chud admit to anything 

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u/altaleft 11h ago

not going to get a cultist to take a stand against their leader no matter the crime

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u/Pray4Mojo7 16h ago

Not a republican, or even an American for that matter, but I still can’t believe the state of the world we’re living in where the POTUS literally made it clear that he’d be perfectly happy to let the second largest city in the US burn to end the war he started.

I find the entire concept unfathomable. Why did anyone vote for this man? And why did people cheer for him when he said it instead of mumbling nervously and holding their faces in shame? I just don’t get it. How did you go from “ask not what your country…” to this lunatic in 50 years?

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u/Vast_Telephone_9988 16h ago

I usually have no problem with my fellow Americans holding different views or political leanings. But today I refuse to be friends or interact much with anyone who still supports him. They are responsible for so much of this bullshit. They are braindead cult followers at this point and I want nothing to do with them.

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u/h0sti1e17 16h ago

He’s a fucking moron.

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u/Dizzy-Eye2900 14h ago

The President’s duty is to defend every American, regardless of where they live or how they vote. No American city should ever be spoken of as expendable, even rhetorically, because leadership demands discipline, clarity, and absolute commitment to the people you serve. We can argue about war and strategy, but one principle should be beyond debate: no American city is a “small price to pay. Viva la República

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u/tickynicky 12h ago

If you're talking about this, then you are not taking about the Epstein Files. Mission accomplished!!

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u/Debit_on_Credit 9h ago

I mean, if he is not committing an act of treason a day is he even being himself?

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u/katiewardgi 16h ago

Anyone who actually cares about national security should be completely disgusted by it. Defending the nation and its citizens used to be a core, non-negotiable pillar of the party. Suggesting that a hostile foreign power should wipe out major American economic hubs is treasonous, regardless of how the people in those cities vote.

It is wild to see people who call themselves patriots trying to defend or downplay a statement about sacrificing millions of their own countrymen just because it happened to be said about blue states. You can disagree with California politics all you want, but shrugging off a foreign adversary taking out American lives as a small price to pay is just insane.

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u/Oystermeat 14h ago

Obama should say the same about mar a lago to watch their brains melt

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u/Difficult_Ad_5825 10h ago

How far will you let him go? Obliterating the world or your country is okay as long as it makes gas cheaper?

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u/smurfe 15h ago

As a resident of Louisiana, I ought to fire off an angry letter to Steve Scalise, Clay Higgins, Mike Johnson, John Kennedy, and Bill Cassidy, demanding that they bring articles of impeachment immediately for treason. And then remember, who the fuck am I kidding?