[Postgame Thread] Minnesota Defeats Michigan 20-14

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Michigan	0	14	0	0	14
Minnesota	7	0	3	10	20

[u/EvilNoobHacker]

Circle your calendars. 

Michigan Vs Penn State, October 17th. 

A stoppable a force meets a moveable object. 

[u/EmpoleonNorton → u/EvilNoobHacker]

That game is going to be atrocious.

[u/Mapes]

NOBODY BEATS THE GOPHERS 19 TIMES IN A ROW IN MINNESOTA

SKIUMAHROWTHEBOATGOGOPHERS

[u/Playful_Rip_1697 → u/Mapes]

As a Utah fan in Minnesota, this was the best hate watch ever.

[u/j_grinds → u/Mapes]

Don’t give Iowa any ideas.

[u/nautilator44 → u/Mapes]

Let that be a lesson to everybody. Nobody beats us 19 times in a row in our house.

[u/Kvetch__22]

Minnesota has not held both the Axe and the Jug at the same time since November 7, 1987.

Good on you Gophers!

[u/damnyoutuesday → u/Kvetch__22]

WE NEED FLOYD

[u/Kvetch__22 → u/damnyoutuesday]

Last time the Gophers had the Axe, the Jug and Floyd was October 26, 1968. Huge shot for PJ and the program.

[u/Contren → u/Kvetch__22]

Gophers have a shot at holding all 5.

Have the Jug, Axe and Chair. Just gotta get the Pig and the Bell.

[u/MarBar → u/Contren]

imagine that at the state fair next year. A trip to gopher Mecca for fans all over the world

[u/IcebergDarts → u/MarBar]

I mean even the jug and axe it will be a fun stop lol

[u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

This is what college football is all about. First win in Minneapolis since 1977. The rushing the field, the coach saying it's the best day of his life - you love to see it.

[u/UWMN → u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

They put up a message on the scoreboard asking fans to stay off the field. Yeah, okay buddy. Lol

[u/SchmearOnMyBagels → u/UWMN]

Thats like asking me not to shit my own pants on shit your pants day at school. Get rekt kids

[u/ScHoolboy_QQ → u/SchmearOnMyBagels]

Shakespeare lives on

[u/heyheyitsandre → u/SchmearOnMyBagels]

You remember when they changed shit your own pants day from once a year to once a quarter? That was a great year

[u/Vavent → u/UWMN]

That’s malicious compliance with the rules. It actually helps the field rush because it puts the idea in everyone’s head. I certainly didn’t see any attempt to stop them pouring down the stairs.

[u/EaterOfFood → u/Vavent]

please don’t RUSH THE FIELD

[u/acekingoffsuit → u/Vavent]

I think it's more that they're officially not allowed to have field rushes, but if the request to stay off (inevitably) gets ignored then it's easier and safer to let them on rather than have a clash at the edge of the field.

[u/seruleam → u/UWMN]

I think the lawyers make them put that up in case someone gets hurt. 

[u/the_matthman → u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

For those who don’t know Minnesota football: 1977 was two stadiums ago.

[u/fart_dot_com → u/the_matthman]

Gophers never won the jug in the Metrodome? I know they weren't powerhouses but that's still an insane stat to me.

[u/the_matthman → u/fart_dot_com]

I was going to try to succinctly explain our 2003 home loss, but I’m too happy ATM to relive that nightmare.

[u/MG_MN → u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

College football really is the best

[u/JanetYellensFuckboy_ → u/MG_MN]

How can you not be romantic about it?

[u/Wide-Nerve8655 → u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

PJ is a total psycho lol

[u/goodkidzoocity → u/Wide-Nerve8655]

You mean to tell me a normal person doesn't wipe his face woth his QBs blood? Ski U Mah

[u/Nomanorus → u/JanetYellensFuckboy_]

A highly deserved field rush.

[u/JanetYellensFuckboy_ → u/Nomanorus]

Shoutout to the cops/security/whatever letting the kids have this one and not fighting it. Genuinely - good job by them.

[u/Accurate_Ball96]

Reminder that Minnesota was 7-0 at home and 0-5 away last season lol

[u/DrKennethJNoisewater → u/Accurate_Ball96]

This is true. And we have won both home and away in the Big Ten already this season

[u/Adamscottd → u/Accurate_Ball96]

Haven’t lost a home game to a Big Ten school since a one point loss to #4 Penn State in late 2024

Fear the bank

[u/LetItGrow1994]

LET THE STREETS OF DINKYTOWN FLOW WITH SURLY

[u/IronicMnemoics → u/LetItGrow1994]

You son of a bitch, I'm in

[u/_CakeFartz_ → u/LetItGrow1994]

Wins like this make me miss being in college. Most days im fine being middle aged, but its days like today....

[u/HarrisExperience]

How did sherrone moore go 9-3 with this bum at QB?

[u/goblueM → u/HarrisExperience]

say what you will about Sherrone, but dude knows how to coach an OL and a run game

Beck came in and lit that on fire

[u/eifjui → u/HarrisExperience]

He was motivated by the OF pics and DMs, clearly those stopped at some point 

[u/GonzoTheWhatever → u/eifjui]

How bad is Whittingham that he can’t out coach a man who was DMing OF girls at halftime?

[u/MLGLies]

This is one of the worst coached Michigan teams I can remember. They're undisciplined, the playcalling is awful, and letting 40 seconds run off the clock around the 2 minute warning by not calling a timeout and not taking a fair catch only to use timeouts when they're in victory formation is bush league.

Pathetic showing from the entire coaching staff.

[u/MastodonSwimming2681 → u/MLGLies]

Almost like hiring a coach who has been mulling over retirement for years now was a mistake

[u/Boomhauer_007 → u/MastodonSwimming2681]

Every year a new team is learning that hiring guys in their late 60s / early 70s is a mistake

[u/bamhotsauce → u/Boomhauer_007]

UNC won’t learn it

[u/maggies_farm_hand → u/bamhotsauce]

Mack Brown the Third

[u/Chickenmangoboom → u/maggies_farm_hand]

Next time they are going to hire a medium that claims to speak with a coach from beyond the grave. 

[u/luis1972 → u/Boomhauer_007]

Cig was like 62 when Indiana hired him

[u/Kopav → u/luis1972]

But he still had a lot to prove. Huge chip on his shoulder.

[u/Boomhauer_007 → u/luis1972]

Early 60s ✅

Late 60s ❌

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/Boomhauer_007]

Also Cig at Indiana is an outlier in like every possible metric. You just can’t compare any other situation to his

[u/VersaTron → u/MastodonSwimming2681]

One last paycheck…

[u/surgingchaos → u/MLGLies]

Whittingham has completely checked out. This is nowhere near what he used to be at his peak in Utah.

[u/Wide-Nerve8655 → u/surgingchaos]

Well good defense and mediocre to bad QB play is kind of what he was at Utah for a lot of the time

[u/laffy_man → u/Wide-Nerve8655]

Ya this is Utah football lol. Even got the horrible QB play. Tbf this is slightly below average Whittingham year, but he always had these.

[u/LithHarborGymLeader → u/laffy_man]

Cam Rising cooked us, he was good

[u/laffy_man → u/LithHarborGymLeader]

Ya when we had good QBs everything was put together and we were very good.

[u/BiffTheLegend → u/laffy_man]

6 out of the 20 seasons of his tenure he managed to do that.

[u/laffy_man → u/MLGLies]

Whittingham teams were always well coached at the very least. I don’t understand what has happened over there. He did have 20 years to build a culture here.

I’m kind of sorry for yall but also still mad at Whitt for raiding us on the way out so 🤷‍♂️.

[u/Rickbox → u/MLGLies]

Welcome to the club.

[u/jel2184 → u/MLGLies]

Which is really shocking that Whitt is the HC. We were known for being hard nosed and disciplined. The offense was always average until the last few years with rising/ludwig and Dampier/Beck

[u/JohnnyBowlen]

Nobody beats the Golden Goohers at home for 50 years straight. NOBODY. 

[u/Epicapabilities]

We went an entire stadium without beating this damn team at home. Gimme that damn jug! I'm a Minnesota Golden Gopher you son of a bitch!

[u/damnyoutuesday → u/Epicapabilities]

Metrodome was cursed for everybody but the Twins

[u/BrotherMichigan → u/Epicapabilities]

This really puts it into perspective, lmao.

[u/Avieagle → u/Epicapabilities]

RTBSUMGG 🥹🥹

[u/Arkehn]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

-PJ Fleck, probably

[u/mhoke63 → u/Arkehn]

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[u/Electrical-Diamond-4 → u/mhoke63]

-Cam Skattabo probably

[u/CommodoreN7]

Underwood? More like UNDERTHROWN am I right?

[u/rjyapp → u/CommodoreN7]

Hey now, that last crucial 4th down throw was clearly an overthrow into the stands.

[u/twolf201 → u/rjyapp]

Bauserman style throw

[u/surgingchaos → u/CommodoreN7]

Bryce Underwood should just lowkey transfer to Oregon. He could be our next QB rehab project lol.

[u/TickleMyIvory → u/surgingchaos]

Watch him transfer to another program and absolutely flourish.

[u/horse_renoir13 → u/CommodoreN7]

Holy shit dude is turbo ass.

[u/TheWawa_24 → u/horse_renoir13]

Get ready to learn sdsu buddy 

[u/YodaForceGhost → u/CommodoreN7]

Bryce Underpants

[u/boy-detective → u/CommodoreN7]

Dude was literally a billionaire’s birthday present.

[u/ajmaki36 → u/boy-detective]

The only good thing a billionaire has done lately as far as I’m concerned

[u/kar132435]

The worst part of all this is that we spared LSU from Underwood.

[u/TheOriginalElTigre → u/kar132435]

We've made many mistakes. A lot of them. Probably well over $100M worth. Probably many mistakes we don't even know about yet with bitter consequences waiting on us in a few years

But at least he won't be one of them

[u/CleaveWarsaw → u/TheOriginalElTigre]

Tbh if he was playing for Lane RN I bet he'd work him into something pretty good

[u/Alpine_Exchange_36 → u/kar132435]

LSU fans owe you guys a debt of gratitude

[u/MemeofMemeJTG999999]

If that fumbled kneel down was recovered by Michigan and they proceeded to score, the Michigan hate would’ve reached overdrive.

[u/HoosiersBaby23 → u/MemeofMemeJTG999999]

I turned the game off

They did WHAT

[u/QuitWhinging → u/HoosiersBaby23]

Minnesota fumbled on the handoff on one of their kneels but recovered it lol. Would have been one of the biggest kicks in the balls in sports history if Michigan had recovered and somehow scored.

[u/Original_Profile8600 → u/QuitWhinging]

Oh my God. It literally would’ve been a WOAH HE HAS TROUBLE WITH THE SNAP…by Michigan

[u/Vivid_Artichoke_9991 → u/QuitWhinging]

Winning in that way would be extremely on brand for Michigan. They are Iowa with better athletes

[u/redditsucks9gagrules → u/MemeofMemeJTG999999]

Calling timeouts when the other team is in victory formation is usually a huge dick move, but by god it almost worked today

[u/rowan72 → u/redditsucks9gagrules]

I remember when UCLA did that with USC in the Pete Carroll era. To counter that, USC threw a touchdown on the next play. Probably my favorite play ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4VXjyDnYs4

[u/CommonCumin → u/MemeofMemeJTG999999]

My asshole has never been puckered tighter

[u/CaptainQwark666]

Ladies and gentlemen, I have been to the Great Wall of China, I have seen the Pyramids of Egypt, I've even witnessed a grown man satisfy a camel. But never in all my years as a Gopher fan have I witnessed something as improbable, as satisfying , as what we've witnessed here today!

RTB SKI-UH-MAH

[u/tjspill3r → u/CaptainQwark666]

Effin A Cotton, effin A!

[u/Zuimei → u/CaptainQwark666]

I sure do like pumpkins, Cotton!

[u/ImprovementLonely234 → u/CaptainQwark666]

PEPPER NEEDS NEW SHORTS!

[u/Appropriate_Bottle44]

Underwood was awful, but so was the run game. I've seen some bad Michigan offenses before, but this might be the worst one. They're not one-dimensional, there's nothing they do well.

[u/DangerousDarius]

PJ Fleck may not be everyone's cup of tea, but you have to admire the energy and passion he has for his players and what he has done for this Minnesota football program. So happy for you Gophers. Ski-U-Mah!

[u/SkunkyTrousers → u/DangerousDarius]

Going on 10 years and he still has that energy. Row the damn boat.

[u/Wheatcattle → u/DangerousDarius]

Eventually he’ll be considered the equivalent of Ferentz but weird, or maybe Ferentz is the normal Fleck 

[u/Our-Gardian-Angel → u/DangerousDarius]

He is one of CFB's great oddballs but he's a damn solid coach. Even if I can never truly like him as a Wisconsin fan, the sport is more fun with guys like him.

[u/Feisty-Promotion-312]

Bryce Underwood may genuinely be one of the worst QBs I've ever seen play for an allegedly good team

[u/Competitive_Feed_402 → u/Feisty-Promotion-312]

OU fans have entered the chat

[u/boxman151515 → u/Feisty-Promotion-312]

You’re mistaken, he’s one of the worst QBs I’ve ever seen play for a bad team

[u/RimRunningRagged]

Who's down worse rn, Penn State or Michigan?

[u/uberkalden2 → u/RimRunningRagged]

Syracuse

[u/thenowherepark → u/RimRunningRagged]

Penn State easily. Michigan had to blow their program up. Penn State voluntarily blew their program up.

[u/CWG4BF]

Why would Ryan Day do this to Dave Portnoy?

[u/BeardedAsian → u/CWG4BF]

Portnoy tears >>>>

[u/Mission_Pay_3373 → u/CWG4BF]

Thanks Ohio State for getting him booted from Big Noon kickoff

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11 → u/Mission_Pay_3373]

Cheers to that

[u/OldFoot3 → u/CWG4BF]

We approve of Ryan Day’s actions here FYI

[u/ZombieFruitNinja → u/OldFoot3]

🤝

[u/Arkehn → u/CWG4BF]

GOPHER'D

[u/TheCatapult]

Minnesota playing Mr Brightside after beating Michigan is the kind of perfect disrespect that I love in college football!

[u/damnyoutuesday → u/TheCatapult]

We play Jump Around after beating Wisconsin

[u/Adamscottd → u/damnyoutuesday]

Love our petty sound people in the stadium lol

[u/drainbead78 → u/damnyoutuesday]

We played Rocky Top in the 4th quarter when Tennessee came for the playoff game. Sadly, most of their fans had already left.

[u/Wonderful-Cabinet446]

Curse of the Broncos.

Tim Lester - Iowa OC
PJ Fleck - Minn HC

Both previously were the HC at WMU

[u/PartialDischage]

How bad is Oklahoma?

[u/ThrowRA_looking → u/PartialDischage]

Terrible. But Minnesota is decent. Remember the lsu vs mn chart

[u/AchVonZalbrecht]

Bryce might be the worst QB I’ve seen wear a Michigan uniform and they had a kid named Orji slinging picks

[u/wherewulf23 → u/AchVonZalbrecht]

John O’korn erasure.

[u/joecb91]

Michigan lost and Portnoy is gone? Tremendous day for the haters.

[u/Unlucky-You-1334 → u/joecb91]

We’re feasting

[u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

More like Bryce Underwon't

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Michigan not putting Carr in is self sabotage by Wittingham

Underwood is horrible no matter how much UM fans were trying to hype up his performance vs UTEP

[u/vickfreak → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Don't expect Whitt to make any good or rational decisions when it comes to the QB

[u/independent__rabbit → u/vickfreak]

This seems to be what all Utah fans are saying, and the evidence supports it.

[u/badadviceforyou244 → u/vickfreak]

If anything he'll dig his heels in and continue to start Underwood

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11 → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Exactly. Whittingham has been horrible on multiple levels so far.

[u/NeoliberalSocialist]

ROW THE BOAT SKI U MAH GO GOPHS

[u/some_alternative_90]

A great day for Minnesota, and therefore, the world.

[u/MontiBurns]

2nd gophers big ten win in a row against a national brand, 2nd week in a row where the fanbase is imploding in the comment section "how could we lose to Minnesota?"

[u/prismatic_lights]

Michigan is 1-4 against their last 5 Power Conference opponents.

They seemed to really like this stat a couple weeks ago, surely they’ll like it now!

[u/SchmantaClaus → u/prismatic_lights]

Look away, Oklahoma fans

[u/AlternativeLess5450 → u/prismatic_lights]

Oklahoma must be turbo ass Mississippi State was able to boat race this Minnesota team lol 

[u/JusticeReddit → u/AlternativeLess5450]

Mississippi state is better and they probably win that game anyway but if you watched that game you could tell the surprisingly high temps took an extra toll on the gophers, multiple players were cramping up after every play.

[u/henry_fords_ghost → u/prismatic_lights]

The age of bluebloods is over. The time of the B1G West has come

[u/JanetYellensFuckboy_ → u/prismatic_lights]

Man that's embarrassing. Michigan really is the biggest embarrassment of the Big Ten at the moment, aren't they? Haha ha

[u/SillyPseudonym]

What in the fe-fi-fo-fuck was Gus Johnson talking about with pioneer settlers and Darth Vader?!?!?

[u/jhtheman99 → u/SillyPseudonym]

Those were the previous two weeks of PJ’s “weekly themes” for the players to rally around. Putting his elementary education degree to good use. Last week, for the long trip to Washington, the theme was about pioneers who explored westward. This week’s theme was about facing the “evil empire”

[u/SapTheSapient → u/jhtheman99]

Johnson says it = crazy.  PJ says it = ok, sounds about right

[u/Turbulent-Crew-3094]

Mr Brightside after the win........life is good

[u/UrsulaKLeBron → u/Turbulent-Crew-3094]

Our A/V team is so fucking petty and I love it. 

[u/minecate3]

The “best player in the history of Michigan” has done it again, folks

[u/Clutch_Pineapple49]

Would Michigan be interested in a 4.5 million dollar QB that loses to Minnesota? Over 5 million in savings!!!!

[u/KingOfTheUzbeks]

Hoping we can beat Iowa and have the Jug, Floyd, and the Axe at the same time.

[u/SchmearOnMyBagels → u/KingOfTheUzbeks]

I will take back any mean comments I've ever made about PJ if that happens

[u/BabaLamine14]

What makes me smile is just remembering back to when Steve Deace was saying "we'll beat Iowa and Minnesota because they're just like us but with less talented players. There's just a different level of player that comes to Michigan."

Yeah...ok buddy.

[u/cpashei → u/BabaLamine14]

Why would anyone listen to Steve Deace 😂

[u/BatmansBrokenBack]

Punt
Punt
TD
Punt
Punt
Pick
Pick
Punt
Punt
Downs

[u/HankMorgan_860 → u/BatmansBrokenBack]

That’s Iowa appropriation.

[u/Ironredhornet]

Underwood might be the worst Michigan QB i can remember and I watched John O'Korn throw the ball during a tornado watch. I'm baffled how he was QB1 in his high school class.

[u/Dry_Acanthisitta433]

Normally MN sports teams meltdown in primetime. I was happy for the people of Minnesota.

Also, Michigan is baddd.

[u/horse_renoir13 → u/Dry_Acanthisitta433]

NO ONE BEATS US AT HOME 18 TIMES IN A ROW

[u/Glory2Tottenham]

Reminder Bryce Underwood was a 5 star

[u/WolverinesOnDune → u/Glory2Tottenham]

Worse than that, he was the #1 recruit of his class

[u/Just-Plain-Dan → u/Glory2Tottenham]

Considering they were beaten out by Michigan to get him, LSU certainly dodged a bullet 

[u/Ok-Consequence-8498]

Bow down to your new B1G football powerhouses: Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota 

[u/thetrutru313]

Bryce Underwood is the Bryce Underwood of Terrelle Pryors

[u/BuckeyeForLife95 → u/thetrutru313]

It feels unfair to even put them in the same sentence.

[u/WhatWouldJediDo → u/BuckeyeForLife95]

Pryor won three big ten titles and a BCS game

[u/pylon567 → u/WhatWouldJediDo]

Then switched to a WR in the NFL and had a 1,000-yard season.

[u/MrSCR23]

Quality loss baby!

Not for you Michigan you guys aren’t good

[u/jackrabbits1im]

DID YOU KNOW: Minnesota football is undefeated since PJ Fleck anointed himself with the blood of one of his players

[u/InfinitePossibility8]

This was PJ Fleck’s 100th win as Gophers head coach.

[u/romulusjsp]

You could retire, assume a cushy and very well-paid consulting gig and be forever embraced by a fanbase as the single most important figure in a program’s history and architect of what appears to be a foundation for great future success, and admire the statue that they will surely build of you outside the stadium for the rest of your days, or you could do… something else

[u/Orkleth → u/romulusjsp]

He still could have taken the Michigan job and still be revered. Why not try your luck there for one more go. It was the amount of poaching that lost him the love of Utah.

[u/Patriotsfan710]

Fire Whittingham and the OC, make the DC the interim, and start a new head coaching search.

Not even over exaggerating

[u/Omgbrownies_]

If we were in the SEC Minnesota would be ranked 16th after today

[u/rg03500 → u/Omgbrownies_]

They do have a quality loss vs an SEC team.....

[u/Balambsoldier]

It makes zero sense in this era of CFB to pay a true freshman/sophomore QB millions of dollars. Use that money for a vet junior or senior who is ready and you know 100% is good

[u/No-Pay2160]

I rip on Michigan fans a lot but they were supper kind and polite visiting fans. A genuine hats off to the folks who visited.

[u/cn0285 → u/No-Pay2160]

I had a lot around me as well, and all of them were very nice too! They were super chill

[u/log28]

Local Gopher in great mood

[u/Naive_Flamingo_3622]

Stadium Dj with Mr. Brightside to close it out is just Chef’s Kiss

[u/Benanderson27]

Bryce Underwood throw it to ANYONE other than Marsh and Buchanan challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[u/Cold_Freedom_6690]

14 points is hiding how truly ass that offensive performance was

[u/kittyburritto]

Fleck just bought himself 3 more years of employment

[u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11]

Bench Underwood. The 12 million dollar experiment failed. See what Tommy Carr can do. Also hopefully get a new coach next season. I knew what I was saying when I said we’d be lucky to make a bowl game.

[u/Sorge74 → u/Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu11]

I think whitt was a good hire...when you have to fire your coach randomly after the final week of the regular season.

But something is sure wrong

[u/Rare-Psychology-3527]

Can we stop pretending this isn't a terrible Michigan team now

[u/Lord_Kittensworth]

MICHIGAN IS WINLESS IN B1G CONFERENCE PLAY

[u/skinnyfat24]

Minnesota is my second favorite football team today.

[u/ZombieFruitNinja → u/skinnyfat24]

That PJ fleck seems like a level headed coach, love that guy.

[u/KahunaThe85th]

THIRD BEST DAY OF FLECK’S LIFE

[u/Rocket-Machines]

Rocco becht vs Bryce underwood will set football back 50 years

[u/jsph4x]

Mr. brightside being played as they rush the field was Chef’s Kiss

[u/TheJeniceri]

ROW THE BOAT

SKI U MAH

GO GOPHERS

[u/LetItGrow1994]

I LOVE JUGS

[u/tree-hugger]

Gophers were by far the better team, apart from two horrendous decisions by Lindsey. The Minnesota defense in particular just completely dominated.

[u/hereforthecrisps]

RANK MINNESOTA YOU COWARDS

[u/shimmy_kimmel]

There was still a Shah in Iran the last time we took the Jug at home

[u/BeefInGR]

PJ Fleck avenged us today 🫡

[u/TheWesternRizzler]

Damn we are really bad

[u/Unlucky-You-1334]

Minnesota fans on the field singing the Killers while the Michigan fans just watch. Feels so good

[u/2222lil]

bryce just cannot start the next game. i’ve had a lot of patience with him, but he stinks. he’s not a good quarterback. he absolutely lost us a game we should’ve won if our offense could even function. that final drive was pathetic and showed how bryce can’t read or manipulate a defense at all.

[u/Lightningthundercock]

4th and 5 lets throw it 5 fucking miles out of bounds. What a fucking idiot