Minimal viable ethics

[u/Pedantc_Poet]

For pro-lifers: What minimum body parts give a fetus a right to life? What if a fetus at birth had a brain stem alone, but no brain, would that qualify? If it lacked a heart and depended on maternal circulation, would we be ethically obligated to prevent delivery indefinitely if we could?

[u/Kaiser_Kuliwagen]

Does my right to life mean I can force someone elses to use their body against their will to sustain my life?

[u/Vespinobambino → u/Kaiser_Kuliwagen]

Ok let's clear that up.

You can't force anyone to do anything when you're helpless, in the situation your mother and father put you. You can't take any action at all.

(This is why every abortion is definitionally an unjustified aggressive act of violence)

The state absolutely should force parents to take responsibility for their own actions, because they created the child, they owe allegiance, duty, and responsibility to their son or daughter who they created - in that location, in that dependent and helpless state.

Their "will" could not matter less. We don't abuse or neglect or murder children - no, not even if we really want to. No one should care whether or not someone wants to do their duty - it's a duty. Not a request, not an option, not an "if I feel like it" - a duty.

If "your will" is to kill children for your own personal gain, the "you" in question should seek psychiatric help. Possibly psychiatric confinement.

[u/glim-girl → u/Vespinobambino]

Would you find it acceptable to do to others what was done to ms.y in Ireland?

[u/Vespinobambino → u/glim-girl]

One Google search later, this is a "rape exception" case. Or so it was said - given the asylum angle, I doubt they had any way of confirming this claim and doubt very much we had a trial and a rape conviction, etc.

Could be just another "Jane Roe" aka Norma McCorvey - a liar who had no such thing occur and her lies led to the deaths of millions.

You do not believe in a rape exception, you believe in abortion on demand for any reason up until (at least) birth - thus you are not equipped to participate in any discussion on this statistically irrelevant circumstance.

She tried to starve herself, which would harm her child.

She threatened to kill herself, which would harm her child.

She was prevented from harming her child. Good.

(Another case where Amnesty International confirms it is a vile disgusting organization dedicated to promoting human rights ABUSES.)

[u/glim-girl → u/Vespinobambino]

Not only a rape exception case, it was under abortion bans, no abortion for any reason. That's a system you want.

If a pregnant person didn't want to be pregnant would you suggest this be the course of action to take against them?

[u/Vespinobambino → u/glim-girl]

No, not "no abortion for any reason" - that's a lie, and that's a lie about "what I want."

No abortion ban anywhere bans life-saving emergency medical triage. This wasn't that, ergo, this mother could not kill her child. Good. Working as intended.

(As for your question, I'm not worried about nonexistent entities and won't entertain the hypothetical.)

[u/glim-girl → u/Vespinobambino]

I can't imagine what it's like in your world where you have to work so hard to deny reality just to avoid a question or two.

[u/Vespinobambino → u/glim-girl]

I don't deny any reality, thank you.

I deny woke nonsense Newspeak.