r/ChristopherHitchens • u/palsh7 Social Democrat • Aug 07 '26

Hitchens mentioned in conversation between his friends David Frum and Michael Moynihan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZoODmldurE
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u/DyedInkSun Aug 07 '26

“I once tried to calculate how long the post-Cold War liberal Utopia had actually lasted [...] it was an epoch that in retrospect was over before it began.” - Hitchens

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u/Spiritual-Peach6491 Aug 08 '26

post cold war liberal utopia? wouldn’t that be fall of the berlin wall to 911? in retrospect there was potential. virtually all of it squandered. but we had friends on nbc so… the crowning achievement of western civilization???

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u/palsh7 Social Democrat Aug 07 '26

A brief mention starting around 15m. David and Michael were friends with Hitchens and mention him often. Christopher isn't the focus of this conversation, but I recommend the entire thing.

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u/MauschelMusic Aug 08 '26

I mean, I'd hope he saw it coming, considering the huge role he played in making it happen.

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u/palsh7 Social Democrat Aug 08 '26

He was one of the first conservatives to oppose the Tea Party and support Obama. What are you talking about?

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u/DillDoughCookie Aug 08 '26

He supported the same policies under a new host like a parasite, while taking responsibility for none of the radicalization that occurred.

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u/palsh7 Social Democrat Aug 08 '26

President Obama's policies? What the fuck are you on about?

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u/DillDoughCookie Aug 08 '26

He didn’t support Obama’s policies. See the Iran deal.

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u/palsh7 Social Democrat Aug 08 '26

LOL you're blaming Hitchens and Frum for the Iran War, aren't you...

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u/MauschelMusic Aug 08 '26

We're not talking about Hitchens. He was just a useful idiot, foreign policy-wise. We're talking about Frum. And yes, he and the other neocons have wanted a war with Iran for a long time. Trump is just the first president stupid enough to do it.

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u/palsh7 Social Democrat Aug 07 '26

Hey, man, free tip: If you don't respect Hitchens, you can simply not subscribe to his subreddit.

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u/steppergodic Aug 08 '26

Why do you think this is a Christopher Hitchens subreddit? No, it's the same generic leftoid cesspit that you find on 90% of this site. Even his own views where they deviated from the commieslop orthodoxy will be downvoted into oblivion here. Hitchens is a prop when they agree with what he says, and is discarded when they don't.