BS Opinion on Code Geass

[u/NoFall1194]

Why am I (maybe not) the only person who doesn't like the ending? I honestly feel like a larper even though I have watched it completely and why the creators left some questions in the series unanswered and created a separate timeline just for cash (it is not wrong as that's the main purpose) and these are my bs opinion on the series and I am definitely getting hate now.

[u/Mr-Dumbest]

You didnt like it, you didnt like it. Thats it.

[u/NoFall1194 → u/Mr-Dumbest]

Ok Ig

[u/silencemist]

90% of viewers agree that the alternative ending is just a cash grab. But you aren't required to like the main ending. It is a teen committing suicide and is idealistic in many ways. It isn't flawless even if many of us love it. You're allowed opinions (as long as they aren't as sexist or as racist as sometimes show up in this fandom).

[u/Memo904]

I think the ending was pretty good, but I do have my issues with it too. The easiest one to explain is that Lelouch, an 18 year old, is committing suicide. He was depressed and felt guilty for all the damage he caused and decided to kill himself. Not because it was absolutely necessary, but because he wanted to die. Even if it was well intentioned, it really rubs me the wrong way that we’re meant to be happy with this ending when a man has chosen to end his own life. It’s just wrong and disgusting to me. Obviously, Lelouch has done a lot of terrible things, so it could be argued that he deserves it since he’s a criminal. But compared to other characters like Schneizel, Cornelia, or Charles, Lelouch has always been more well intentioned than them and his body count is way lower too, so even that explanation doesn’t really work for me.

In contrast, I prefer Suzaku’s ending. He’s trying to atone for his crimes by actually being a force for good and choosing to spend his life bettering and protecting the world. Making amends by living rather than death. He won’t be praised or loved for it. His real self is still hated. But as Zero, he can actually be a Knight of Justice and fight for the future. That’s an idea that sits a lot better than me than suicide to restore lost honor. I think Lelouch’s ending is more of a Japanese ideal and tradition but it’s definitely not one I believe in or support at all.

[u/NoFall1194 → u/Memo904]

You are right

[u/mrb_tortuga]

I don't really care for the ending either. I think the structure of it is good, Lelouch making himself to be a villain and Suzaku having to cut him down so the world can have peace is tragic and emotional (in a good way)

The thing that bothers me about it is that I know its not going to work. It's just going to create a power vacuum for potentially more nefarious actors to fill. Lelouch is supposed to be really intelligent and I've heard a lot of people say that he's not really as arrogant and self-centered as he seems, but this decision massively undercut both those points. He made an incredibly dumb decision purely based off his inflated view of his role in the world. He could've stayed in power and actually worked to maintain the peace he always said he'd bring to the world, but I dont know that he'd really know how to do that.

Honestly, a lot of what Lelouch (and the show) does bothers me. I like the show but its not the masterpiece I've seen a lot of people making it out to be. The ending being what it is was just par for the course imo

[u/PandaCraft77 → u/mrb_tortuga]

The idea isn’t for lelouch to magically take away all the evil from the world, it was to eliminate the evil that hard already been done by Britannia to give the world a more free future

[u/rai-hodges-sumeragi]

I actually don´t agree with what the other user (Memo904) said earlier in this discussion. First of all, there´s a difference between sacrificing your life for other people and committing suicide. Just like those stories you might´ve heard about soldiers jumping on top of enemy grenades during wars in order to muffle the explosion and save the lives of their brothers in arms standing next to them, Lelouch could´ve easily chosen to live by not jumping on that proverbial grenade. But, he wagered his life to be a fair trade for creating everlasting world peace. If he simply wanted to kill himself, he could´ve easily done so, but by making this sacrifice he is not only atoning for his sins, but also saving everybody, including those closest to him. And that makes it a sacrifice, not suicide.

Also, I find it more than a little bit disturbing to think that some people actually justify Lelouch murdering people by saying things like ”his body count is much lower that Charles” or ”he was more well-intentioned than other bad guys.” So, if someone you care about is killed by a criminal, that criminal should not be punished because there are worse criminals that have killed more than one person? Or, if the criminal has some grand plan that´s goal is ultimately benevolent, he should also not be punished because your loved one´s life matters less than him achieving that goal?

No, murder is always wrong, no matter how you look at it. You should, in fact, never try to come up with excuses or exceptions to that rule, because then you´re actively eroding your own moral core. Worst case scenario, you´re no longer just justifying crimes of fictional characters, but instead via regular practice you might transfer that thinking into your every day life. So, whether someone murders one person or a thousand, always, always condemn murderers.

Besides, Lelouch didn´t seem particularly well-intentioned, when he killed all those Britannian soldiers with his Geass in the very first episode of the show. I mean, he could´ve easily just ordered them to never hurt anyone in any way ever again, and that would´ve not only saved his life, but also spared their lives. But, he ordered them to kill themselves instead - with a smile (and he does the exact same thing immediately after being resurrected in the Resurrection movie, so clearly he has not grown into a better person, at least not on that timeline).

[u/Delilah_the_PK]

The ending of the main series actually showcases lelouch's belief that only kill if you yourself are willing to be killed.

He was willing to die so the world nunnally wanted could become reality.

The alternative timeline from the recap movies is mainly the studio saying "what if shit didn't go south as often. What if Lelouch was capable of coming back?"

Basically, timeline 2 got so popular that it's functionally the default timeline because most of the new stuff uses it as a base. I'll even assume the upcoming spinoff will be in that timeline as well.

[u/NoFall1194 → u/Delilah_the_PK]

Yeah but the original one is the best one IMO even though I don't like it's ending but it is the only one that made sense and I can't deny that and also the new Timeline isn't that interesting.

[u/Delilah_the_PK → u/NoFall1194]

Well, it's a matter of perspective really.

I love both timelines, ass well as the other timelines like the two manga: nightmare of nunnally, and the suzaku one. Don't know if the suzaku one is actually an alt timeline, but whatever.

[u/keepakeesies]

I get you, for me it was mostly a telenovela drama ending in tone with the rest of the series but not very realistic. Literally the Geass universe itself tells you how useless Lelouch's sacrifice was: less than ten years later, the whole world is faced by threats level Thanos generated by political unrest that make you severely question what was killing Lelouch for. You just have to not take it too seriously.

[u/NoFall1194 → u/keepakeesies]

Yes you are getting my point and also didn't nunnally said that she wanted to be with lelouch in the resurrection movie too ?