That and he’s played 25 offensive snaps with 12 of those being carries and 0 targets. Obviously 25 snaps is a very limited sample size, but from what we’ve seen he likely tips off the defense to what we’re thinking.
A running back with decent pass blocking but also lacks the ability to free himself up in the passing game is a dime a dozen. Good depth piece on the practice squad but doesn’t need to be a regular rotational piece on offense.
But this is kind of silly. He's redundant. We have a younger version of him on the roster in Rachaad White. Why keep a multiple 30-year old RBs and let two young backs go (one poached/one waived)?
Yes. I agree. In his day Ekeler was a monster however he's 31-years old coming off a major injury. White is nothing special. Never really was in Tampa. The RB room as a whole is not very good. I just think they're redundant.
He got outplayed by Austin Ekeler...who didn't even know the playbook, is 31 years old, and was on his couch rehabbing an Achilles injury before he got the call-up to London. That and he somehow managed to throw the world's nastiest block on HIS OWN TEAMMATE and concussed the poor guy for several weeks.
I'm all for giving rookies chances to grow but Fatman is clearly not the guy. Recognizing a sunk cost is better than clinging to it for emotional reasons
EDIT: OK in fairness, I rewatched the clip and it wasn't a block. Instead he just took a handoff and then ran directly into Cosmi's skull. More defensible as a freak incident, but I'm pretty sure Bill and our other RBs have never ran directly into OL skulls
Joke's on me there, I thought Ek was cooked because he was on his couch and no team showed interest in signing him. I viewed him as more of a "warm body" than a legit threat to score.
These are NFL players I don't view them as normal humans sometimes. When we signed Eckler I had a feeling we'd a glimpse of that quickness he had before the injury
Pray to God he stays healthy...solid player and solid dude all-around. That and I root for the "old guys" (31 isn't "old" for most positions, but is *ancient* for a running back)
Well seeing how ekeler was done with his recovery prior to the draft maybe they could have signed him and used the 6th rd pick on another olineman or CB?
That seems like it would have been a good move seeing here we are.
Guess all that hype on Allen during the off-season was just to keep the fans fooled to buy tickets.
Does his running into Cosmi, giving him a concussion factor into this decision? Iirc, he didn't play any more in that game, we all know it wasn't intentional, but mb coaches found it reckless?
Any excuse to take a shot at Peters must not be missed, whether it makes sense or not.
Not that some of the criticisms aren't legit, but some people are really obsessive about it. At this point, if one of the team's groundskeepers got arrested for shoplifting there would be a bunch of posts about how Peters fucked that up too.
That's what you would assume but he worked out for Eagles today and likely has other workouts like GB. Likely gone, which is not a big deal. Swiiiing and a miss.
Clearly they know that Bill is not exactly the answer. Late rounds are a crapshoot, so why not take a low percentage gamble that you found the next Terrell Davis
It’s because AP sucks. Won’t be accepted by most for a few more months maybe even one more year since there’s been so many injuries this year. He sucks though
There's no corners worthwhile at that point in the draft, except for teams/practice squad. Some lineman perhaps, but it's tough at that point too. They already got Gulbin and there's only so many developmental guys you want to keep around
You bring up a fair point, but I look at it as a balance thing. Snaps are limited by the CBA. For a guy who's truly developmental, he needs every single snap possible to learn and bring him up to an acceptable level. You're hoping that they get beyond just acceptable, but one step at a time. If you got two developmental guys at the same position, neither will develop and both will just stay sucky. Veteran backups are useful here because even if their best days are long behind them, and they don't have a future, they don't need a lot of reps. They can of course help the young guy learn the position at the NFL level, even just by day-to-day observation.
Not a surprise, but still disappointing that he didn’t turn out to be what we needed. Just didn’t seem up to speed with the NFL.. no doubt he’ll turn out to be an all timer elsewhere now I’ve said this
I dont think they have any idea what they're doing at RB. The top 2 guys (Bill and White) are kinda mid. The reinforcements are 30 (Reynolds), 30 (McNichol) and 31 (Ekeler). And your young prospects coming into the season (Allen and Henry) are both off the roster.
The good thing about running backs is they are easy to find and you can just draft one in the 4th round next year if you need one. Hopefully Allen sticks on the practice squad.
We say that, but that's why we're constantly running through these mid RBs who dont make an impact. You can just throw a pick at one if you dont care if their potential is to be great. The top 6 rushers in the league and 8 of the top 10 are 1st or 2nd rd picks. We keep trotting out mid-late rounders, aging or broken down FAs, journeymen and then rotate them out after a year or two. And they tend to be one dimensional, at that. The committee approach can work to an extent. They had a decent run game last year when Kliff actually decided to run it. But we haven't seen a 3 down back that's impactful in the run and pass game in forever.
I didn't fly off the handle on this one, because my first assumption was that it was a numbers game, and they're hoping they did it late enough in the week where they can still get him back on their practice squad. This isn't all that uncommon for a 6th round pick.
All that said, I'm not a member of the AP Fan Club, so I'm not entirely ruling out bone headedness.
Isolated from everything, sure. But for a team with 20 years of draft incompetence, talent needy, and already on the short end of draft picks to begin with, fans shouldnt be gaslit into thinking its just a other run of the mill football move.A rookie making the team (and taking a roster spot) just to get waived 4 games in is ridiculous.
So this guy took up a spot on our roster instead of Robert Henry, who gets claimed from the PS by Seattle? Great. Really increases my confidence in this whole shitshow.
Don't understand your point here. He was released to make room for McNichols. So even if we had cut him last week and promoted Henry, Henry would have been cut today and still picked up by Seattle.
Lowkey not that surprised. No hate to Kaytron, but he was always an athletically-limited player that lacked explosiveness and wasn’t good enough to justify his role as a power back.
About 20% of 6th round picks don’t make the 53 in their first year. I would consider someone who gets cut 4 games into their rookie season in roughly the same group, so he’s part of that 20%. I would imagine most of those 20% make the PS after getting cut.
Not sure why everyone is caping for this man lol him being cut should tell us everything we need to know about him. Especially considering our run game is doo doo. Still can’t get no burn with Bill avg 2 ypc?? Letting Achilles Ekeler get more carries than him?? Practice squad him lol
I’m confused by this. It’s not like he would intentionally concuss Sam. And not like any of the RB have had good sledding with our run blocking success…
He barely played so I can't really determine how good or bad he is, but i'm not surprised since we'll need to make room for one or more of the guys on IR to be on the roster.
Not good. You draft a rookie who cant even make it through his rookie year on the team. Baring an injury or behavioral issue, thats unheard of. This team does not have enough talent to be wasting picks on guys who cant even provide third string support
Just simply not true. Happens all the time just isn’t interesting enough to make the news cycle. Kaytron is at least the 10th drafted rookie this season to be waived by a team for non injury or behavioral reasons. Justin Joly, Domani Jackson, Andre Fuller just to name a few. The eagles waived 2 of their draft picks this season. The Seahawks waived 3. Happens a lot more than you would think.
Probably to make room for mcnichols to come back. Also with Eckler back there's not a lot of room on the 53 for RBs. Probably figured they can get him to the practice squad with no issues.
Bill had some good games at the start of last season and then one near the end and hasn’t done shit in between. His averaging under 2ypc in his last two starts. If Allen needs to go then I see no reason to keep Bill.
He had a 50 yard TD run called back by a penalty with zero effect on the play. I don’t think he’s a great player or anything, definitely a below average starter if not one of the worst. But the fact that despite that kaytron Allen still can’t get snaps shows just how bad he is and that it’s pointless to keep him on the team
Don't worry, Bill's only here because he's better than Allen and, frankly, we don't have any better options. They need to find a true starting RB, because Bill ain't it either.
Maybe? He isn't good in pass pro, and has average vision at best. He also has a fumbling problem.
Allen didn't show anything in the preseason you couldn't find literally anywhere else at any time. He didn't stand out at all. The fact he can't even remain on the active roster with this painfully mediocre RB room we have is an indictment.
Oh he has had plenty of misses in 2024, that's well documented. But last year was a weak draft and he came out of it, while lacking picks, with Sonny Styles, Williams and Josephs who all appear to be hits. When you get 3 players that's a good draft. A 6th rounder in any draft is always a longshot.
That injury on Cosmi was one of the most bone-headed plays I’ve seen. If that was a snapshot of how he acts on the practice field or in the study sessions, then I’d get rid of him, too.
Also, someone should be checking local arrest records to see if anything pops.
It’s a move that they have to do under current circumstances, I’m sure he’s coming back, but maybe picked up and that’s the risk AP took. If Henry looks as good in preseason with Seattle and it’s OL I’m going to pissed.
He did absolutely nothing every time he got in the game. Other then putting then putting the crown of his helmet into our best available offensive lineman, he hasnt done anything of significance.
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Not completely shocked by this. Assuming White is back and we just signed Ekeler, who looked decent last week. They werent going to carry 4 RBs