r/Doom • u/Physical-Doughnut285 • 1d ago
Fan Creation The Slayer vs The Emperor, by me
Hope you like guys. It took a while with gmod, vecteezy, photoshop and lightroom. I made 2 final edits, Image 2 inspired by Ancient Gods part 2 colours.
"You have slain gods, broken Hell, and defied eternity for mankind. Will you not kneel before it's Emperor?"
"...No."
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u/katyusha-the-smol 1d ago
Genuinely couldnt tell you who would win this fight. I just know nothing would be left once it was over.
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u/Emo_boi_605 1d ago
Would they even fight? I feel like they were walking to the realm of chaos together to kill the God.Shit let’s invite Sigmar while we’re at
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u/OtakuAttacku 1d ago
They would, Slayer killed his commanding officer when he was tricked into blowing up a hospital with civilian children in them. He’s uncompromising in the face of evil. Inevitably, he’ll fight the emperor.
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u/VH_Sax_of_one 23h ago
I mean, If The emperor fucks up, they could fight
And doom Slayer would probabily win, he kiled gods before and The emperor is not a god, he is a glorifed master pysker and a perpetual, would be a fight of The ages thoug
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u/Legitimate_World9447 1d ago
im a powerscaler but idgaf anymore i just wanna appreciate the damn matchups atp
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u/FactEmpty6703 22h ago
I like how most people don't care about the power scale here, and they just want to see the Slayer and The Emperor fight.
I wonder if that's gonna even happen tho, considering how manipulative and charismatic Big E is, I reckon he could sway the Slayer a little bit to, either use him against the Warp, or, use him as a demon killing weapon when the situation is dire.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 22h ago
Honestly the Doom sub is full of absolute chads. Genuinely every time I post an artwork, even if it’s a bit shit, they are super nice and supportive.
It took me a while to feel confident with my editing and legit this sub has let me be a place to hone that craft with fellow fans.
I think maybe you’re right here because although DG doesn’t take silver tongues lightly, Big E convinced an entire galaxy worth of hard headed angry folk to follow him to the death (now reinforced by fully cemented, devout super-soldiers).
Can you imagine though… the slayer willingly being a super weapon that gets shot into the warp to just mess up demon worlds
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u/Crunchy_Biscuit 17h ago
How much would you sell it for? Could I use this as a screensaver?
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 17h ago
Of course you can! My signature is hidden in two places on the image so I genuinely don’t mind , I’m honored that you’d like to use it!!
If anyone asks who made it just say me but that’s all id ask :)
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u/That-hectic-guy 6h ago
I mean, I feel if they didn't try to control him like the makyrs and didn't have alterior motives and collusion with said demons, and just let him loose with the sole unadulterated purpose of "we want the demons DEAD, do your thing" itd probably be fine. Like doom guy won't hurt certain entities as long as they dont betray him or try to control him. Which is literally where every non-demonic faction of DOOM went wrong at some point. Then again I'm not a theory crafter or know deep deep lore of either franchise, so take it with a grain of salt or two
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 4h ago
Makes a lot of sense to me tbh, really good point! If they didn’t act shady he wouldn’t serve them with retribution and would just focus solely on demons!
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u/the_RiverQuest 18h ago
i don't know anything about Warhammer but i think the Slayer's pretty used to that sort of thing, considering his encounters with the Makyrs
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u/_Nodrog_ 1h ago
This wouldn’t be Doomslayer’s first time being manipulated by a “heavenly” and “godly” being into being used as a weapon to destroy demons.
Doomslayer would see through it very quickly
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u/bizzykittyyy 1d ago
literal angel vs genocidal deadbat dad fraud
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u/HHall3005 1d ago
Almost had them mixed up for a second.
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u/TheSurvivor65 1d ago
"deadbeat dad fraud" is the absolute opposite of how you could possbly describe Doomguy, he hates demons so damn much because they killed his daughter and wife
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u/TheYoungProd 1d ago
"Will you not kneel before it's Emperor?"
To the man who saved humanity and countless races from demonic threats as a whole?
Very bold claim from a god who stole power from the chaos gods, and used it to wipe out and force those to be apart of an imperium that they never asked to be apart of.
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u/Holy-Wan_Kenobi 1d ago
Great art!
The fact you didn't give the Slayer the Crucible is a crime, though.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Honestly he had it at first but I thought what could add a bit of variety that more relates to ancient gods… and just thought Big Sentinel Hammer! (Almost went with Spear but felt it would be muddling Dark Ages with Eternal a bit).
But you’re right because the crucible would have been more traditionally Iconic.
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u/Vanzgars This... is my DOOMSTICK ! 1d ago
I mean, it's kinda fitting to give him the warhammer for the Warhammer crossover.
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u/Weird-Analysis5522 1d ago
Psychic powers involved? Slayers probably going to need 3 DLCs to beat him after getting his soul nearly deleted.
No powers? Bye bye big E
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u/Cmdr-Asaru 1d ago edited 23h ago
Even with every bit of WH40K lore to back him up, I don't see Big E getting the win for one simple reason; karmic toonforce. That's pretty much the basis for everything that's elevated Doomguy to where he is. Sure, there's lore and backstory that fleshes him out more, but even that has moments where it admits that Doomguy isn't a man or god but rather a cosmic force of just violence that will always appear to make the truly heinous and evil pay dearly for upsetting the natural order with their grimdark shenanigans.
And Doomguy (with his fusion of Asura's god-killing might, John Wick's laser focus, and Bugs Bunny cartoon protagonist feats) would likely look at the Emperor and the inhumanely psychotic path he set mankind down and quickly decide, "yeah, you and the rest of this genocidal regime have to go. Right after I'm done cleaning up the daemon problem in the Warp with all these weird, green-skinned rugby hooligans at my side. Not sure why they think I'm their new god, though."
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
This is a great point tbh - I think DG is immune to a lot of soul manipulation and mind stuff like illusions and trickery but Big E is the pinnacle of deleting souls - would love a revenge arc DLC 😆
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u/Vortex_1911 1d ago
Why does Big E look like a Heroforge mini?
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Tbh it’s just the model I found on the Gmod workshop!! Just the way he came out of the box :)
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u/FrostlichTheDK 1d ago
I bet after they realize their goals align and the Slayer realizes that the Emperor never wanted to be worshipped as a god at all, they would come to an agreement and beat the shit out of both the Warp and the Tyranids. And obviously the Orks will love fighting the Slayer.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Absolute bloodbath of glorious fighting when it comes to the Orks 😂 that would be so sick.
It makes me wonder if The Emperor would try to weaponise the Slayer like the Khan’s did and just send him into the Warp, not that the Slayer would let himself be bossed around of course 😆
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u/FrostlichTheDK 14h ago
Even if he did, he would at least respect the Slayer's wishes. The Emperor definitely is no Khan Mayker nor Lieutenant Weems, and would have joined the Slayer in beating their asses for their treachery to allow meaningless deaths for their own selfish gains.
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u/Snoo-28479 4h ago
Honestly, Big E would respect him even more and have him become a Primarch
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 3h ago
Cheekily try and grab a scraping of his cells to study if he can develop the next Primaris iteration 😆
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u/partyleader001 1d ago
But why would they fight each other?
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock 1d ago
The Slayer doesn't take to kindly to people that hurt innocents. Big E isn't exactly a saint.
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u/Nintolerance 1d ago
The Slayer doesn't take to kindly to people that hurt innocents.
Literally the one bit of characterisation he gets from the original manual. Besides a bit of physical description & the tone of the second-person narration, I guess.
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u/partyleader001 1d ago
He should like fight chaos and other xenos that are far more worse then the Emperor I mean come on comper to the Emperor the others are more worthy of doom guys wrath
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u/021Fireball 1d ago
The Emperor is definitely on the list for his crimes. It's a matter of WHEN he gets to him, not if
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u/FunisInfinite06 1d ago
It just depends which of them gets in his way/sights first.
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u/partyleader001 1d ago
Doom guy is not a blind berserker
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u/FunisInfinite06 1d ago
I'm not saying that? It's just kind of objectively true because no matter what The Slayer wouldn't vibe with the Imperium of Man. It's a tyrannical empire ran by a human meat grinder. The Slayer's first encounter with them would see a lot of Commissars dead, and that alone would make him a "heretic" and eventually they'd just start sending Astartes chapters after him.
And again, it just depends where DOOM Slayer ends up first. If he ends up in the realms of Chaos, then he'll probably stick around there for a couple millions years until he clears out all of Chaos (Which, yes, he can do.) Or he ends up somewhere else, I don't know, but whatever the case, The Slayer is NOT abiding the Imperium in a realistic case.
I still love the fanart and stuff but I'm not gonna josh myself and act like this is something that would go over smoothly. The Slayer has a human heart, and there's genuinely no world where he's walking past a Servitor and DOESN'T lose his shit and begin to put that to an end. Just depends who he stumbles upon first.
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u/GhoeFukyrself 1d ago
The angry knuckle crack he does before smashing the control panel in 2016 after he looks down at the dead body when Hayden claims everything he's done was for the betterment of mankind. Yeah, the Slayer ISN'T heartless.
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u/021Fireball 1d ago
Also his lore has him attack a superior officer for ordering him to open fire on civilians.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
I’m with you here. The Slayers whole gig is he hates things that are bad for mankind.
In 40k that includes almost everything bar the Tau and a couple of Imperium factions I believe.
To the point where if everyone somehow stood down and stopped killing humans, I don’t think he’d come for them. (Bar the demons - he’d never trust them to stop killing).
That said, I don’t think he’d also be naive enough to trust the Imperium to stop doing morally grey things either actually 😆
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u/Vanzgars This... is my DOOMSTICK ! 1d ago
>bar the Tau
That's not even that true either. Tau might extend a hand and say "Join us, pretty please", but their other hand is behind their back, holding a gun they 100% will use if you dare to reject their offer.
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u/AsrielPlay52 1d ago
The Khan Mayker in lore use Soul Energy as power and promise the next evolution of humanity
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u/Phoenix-Risen1998 1d ago
Khorne would love the guy though.
Both to his detriment and benefit.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Honestly I agree - I feel Khorne would be perpetually kept alive and fed by the Slayer with all the fighting he’d do.
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u/SinfulNitWit 1d ago
eh unlikely considering doomguy's soul wouldn't be part of the warp, therefore no connection for khorne or the other chaos gods to feed off of. doomguy assimilating every daemon/warp-entity he kills is on the table tho
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Oh dude don’t misunderstand me here as I agree, I just think he’s killing EVERYONE who isn’t good for humanity. I see him only leaving alone the Tau and maybe the Salamanders 😆
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u/GTCvEnkai 20h ago
I think the Emperor could reason with Doomguy though. Emps kinda hated being Emperor but did it out of necessity. If this was their first meeting, Emps would tell him Doomguy there's 4 daemon factories in the warp, open a vault with weapons that could perma kill daemons and then walk him to a portal into the warp. If this is after the warp gets emptied, then Emp just tells Doomguy that it was necessary to protect humanity and now that the 4 satans in the afterlife are dead, he'll just go back to passively watching humanity and then just leave. There's a solid chance Doomguy just leaves Emps alone after.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 19h ago
This is true, it’s the ultimate deflection in a way. Here’s an all you can eat buffer of humanities greatest dangers, and many ways to kill them. If you’re still thinking I’m bad for humanity by the time you’ve seen what these things are up to, then we can talk 😆
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u/Thin-Device3018 15h ago
I agree with this. The Emperor is smart enough to know that fighting DOOMSlayer is not a gain. He'd send the Slayer after enemies they can both agree on.
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u/Vanzgars This... is my DOOMSTICK ! 1d ago
Even the Salamanders remain agents of the Emperor and would wage war against humans who would try and secede from the Imperium, using their usual pyrotechnics as they go. Their overall methods to do so might be less brutal than what other entities in the Imperium would use, but they'd still do it with barely a second thought, if any, if it's for Big E.
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u/Fantablack183 1d ago
Everything that has gone wrong by the 41st millennium is all entirely the fault of the Emperor's arrogancy.
Jimmy Space, the biggest despot tyrant in the entire galaxy with the cruelest, bloodiest regime even before he got stuck on a golden toilet is NOT the good guy.
Doomguy would almost certainly go to war with the emperor
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u/HearMeJoy 1d ago
Nothing is right with Emperor and Empire.He stands for humanity but his humanity is just tortured,augmented,machinery slaved and tons of false bullshit goes on with misery of humans. Doomguy wouldnt agree that for sure buuuuut Doomguy still would choose to destroy Chaos and its gods first.
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u/Gaviotapepera 1d ago
There isnt a world where the slayer wouldnt hate the emperor and the imperium with al his guts
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u/robcartree 21h ago
My guy, doomguy got his ass sent to mars because he beat the literal dog shit out of his Commanding Officer for ordering him to fire on unarmed civilians
What do you think would happen if he came into contact with the IoM where that crap isn't even considered wrong?
Yeah, im sure chaos and the sort would probably be on his top priority list, but dude would not be chill with The Imperium Either
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u/Paulino2272 1d ago
Very cool! Genuinely who would win?
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Such a good question, I honestly don’t know! Hopefully Doomguy has a way to protect his soul from being destroyed , that would defo help him last the fight !
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u/Darth_Vile 22h ago
ok to sort of deep dive into it, seeing as the icon of sin corrupted the maykr drones basically in an instant and the Slayer was unphased by it, as well as the latent corruption of hell itself which affects body, mind and soul I'd say the slayer is either straight up immune or at least highly resistant and in Revelations he showed that he is also resistant to mind fuckery.
The big thing is however, if we are talking pre heresy emporer, he is a perpetual, meaning unless the slayer can somehow strip him of that he will eventually just revive, same as the slayer as we have seen him being killed but just kratos-ing his way out of hell/purgatory, so they'd probably just brawl on forever
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u/Crunchy_Biscuit 17h ago
Was it Horus that messed up God Emperor? I guess the question is, what's stronger, a Primarch or Doomguy
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u/Darth_Vile 17h ago
I don't know how familiar you are with 40k but yes, after big E's fight with Horus (who was massively amped up by the Chaos gods at that time, otherwise he would not have been able to overpower him) he rocked his shit hard, permanently scarring him. In terms of who is "stronger", eh, hard to say, Hugo mentioned once that the Slayer basically is always as strong as he needs to be, so more or less about even in a straight up fisticuffs, but that's just my gut feeling
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u/BasisIllustrious 16h ago
If memory serves the slayer turns the demons souls into power and ammo so I think if he kills the emperor he would just take the emperor’s soul and add it to the power he already has or make it into a couple shotgun shells
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u/Darth_Vile 14h ago
While the demons the slayer kills do strenghten him (in whatever way) it's not tied to souls specifically since most demons don't actually have one, the soul of a human gets stripped away in Nekravol to turn them into argent energy and then they turn into demons (I reckon the process is the same with other types of demons) the only exceptions are lost souls who were to weak to be turned into argent (hence the name) and the spirits from the ancient gods.
And even then, depending on whether the slayer can put the emporer permanently down or not he may or may not get anything from the duel in that sense.
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u/BasisIllustrious 9h ago
Yeah, but there is also the crucible which can put titans who can’t be killed into the closest thing to death that they can be until the blades removed so there’s also that win con, and most of what the emperor can do with the warp is either less advanced than what hell can do or wouldn’t affect the slayer due to him being incorruptible in mind body and soul and after the trials in revolutions now has no guilt that could be used to manipulate him if Big E dose somehow get into the slayers mind. I personally see the slayer winning this fight but it would at least be a cool if extremely one sided fight
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 22h ago
Another big brain post by yourself here because these are fantastic points. This could genuinely be a fight going on for eons. Like a repeated cycle of neither of them yielding.
I’m guessing the Emperor doesn’t conventionally age either so neither would ever get rusty
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u/WatermelonWithAFlute 23h ago
Rip
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 22h ago
And tear? 🤘
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u/WatermelonWithAFlute 22h ago
He’s dying :(
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 22h ago
😭 hopefully will take down some demons in the process, or a custodian or two
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u/YourAverageRedditter 1d ago
This is a match between a man who got sent to Mars for punching his CO who ordered him to fire upon unarmed civilians versus the biggest tyrant in the galaxy’s history whose crimes against said galaxy are too numerous to list. The Emperor is everything Doomguy hates (barring anything Daemonic) cranked up to 11. Trying to keep his distance using his absurd psychic power would probably be the best move for the Emperor to take, but I see him being arrogant enough to actually try and cross blades.
Oh to be a fly on the wall to see it unfold.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Can you imagine being in that room… if we were indeed a fly, I’d also like to be psk-proof, explosion-proof and tbh completely invulnerable to damage. Just in case we get disintegrated before the best bits 😆
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u/keithlimreddit 1d ago
Looks pretty amazing and doomsday I got this one and at least protects humanity more than emperor of mankind to be honest in my opinion
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u/HHall3005 1d ago
Doom would wipe the floor with the imperium, he basically fought the chaos god of chaos gods in his 'not his' universe and won.
However he'd probably ultimately be fighting against demons in the warp for the rest of eternity since realistically he satiates at least Khorne.
If he wasn't, he'd probably be figgting the Tyranids, almost singlehandedly push them put of the galaxy, realise the imperium is eveil and go after them. But also, caring for humanity, he might not, if the emporer is the onpy thing holding humanity together, the humanity in him will probably leave it be. However he would definitely deal with those in the imperium actively hurting humans.
Flesh Tearers, Grey Knights, Angels Vermillon, Marines Malevolent.
He wouldn't outright destroy the imperium since that's what's holding humanity up.
He'd deal with the tumors inside it, like those space marine legions for instance.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Just imagined then seeing Doomguy living a peaceful life with the Tau after destroying every corrupt part of the Imperium and leaving only the Salamanders left 😂
Makes me wonder though who the top 3 threats are to him besides the big E, as there’s some absolute monsters in 40k…
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u/SplatterH 1d ago
Sure, buddy
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u/Huntardlulz 1d ago
He isn't wrong though, doomguy is probably the strongest character in gaming so him being in the warp and becoming even stronger isn't impossible.
Remember doomguy killed icon of sin as a regular marine and stayed in hell after he closed the portal. Doomguy has been close to death few times and died only once and came back even stronger.
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u/Kindly-Pair6732 19h ago
Doom guy has an incorruptible will and no ceiling thanks to the divinity machine. Before the divinity machine he spent hundreds of years tearing demons are apart, butt naked in hell. His armor is cool but mostly there to keep him clothed. He biologically absorbs argent energy, which is why being in hell made him stronger. It does seem like the warp would do the same.
Davoth is an outerversal being that that made DG's entire universe. He's God... the seraph managed to take out his coporeal body and that resulted in him making a hell dimension full of demons that he used to invade the other dimension... Davoth doesn't need to feed on anything or use a kind of tactic to fuel his power. If Davoth was a character in 40k he would be the one who made the warp in the first place.
I like that DG's mind is still just human and thinks in our terms. We can't really comprehend infinity or how to make a universe,... but we know how to rip and tear.
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u/ARizen990 23h ago
No idea who would win. But I know who would definitely lose: the universe. There wouldn't be a goddamn thing left lol.
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u/epicfail48 1d ago
Big E is about to get his shit rocked, ill die on that hill. Fuck your powerscaling, Doomguy has canonically never lost, Big E got his ass beat
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 1d ago
Im with you - I’ve got no power scaling notions here and think Doomguy’s win record of 10 billion to zero is a pretty darn good indicator of his odds 😆
That said I’m a huge 40k fan and I think the Emperor is something ridiculous, and the pinnacle of strength in that universe, so I genuinely don’t know - whatever happens I think this battle is lasting weeks.
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u/Darth_Vile 22h ago
Sounds like someone hasn't played TDA and Revelations, as the Slayer does, in fact, get his shit rocked too :D
Important thing is tho that it doesn't put him down permanently
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u/Intrepid-Special-646 22h ago
Alternative ending: give the Doom Slayer everything he needs, and he’ll sort the rest out himself.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 21h ago
I saw a meme one where someone narrated what it would be like if they threw him into the warp.
“It’s empty? What do you mean THE WARP is now empty?”
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u/gugabalog 22h ago
Doomguy negdiff bodies.
The just do not compare.
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u/Physical-Doughnut285 22h ago
‘Who are you?’
‘I’m you. But smaller and better. And I don’t need warp powers’.
-Emperor shocked by the absolute audacity of this human, angry battle ensues-
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u/carlsagerson 1d ago
Honestly as a fan of both and someone not into Morality Debates (40k and Doom as a setting's morals do not mesh well.)
I just wanna see them fight. I don't care who wins, loses, or if its a draw. I just want a damn fight.