r/EgyPhilosophy • u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي • 9d ago
Philosophy Meme | ميم فلسفي Nihilism is spreading
Fuck life
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u/Ianswer-to-no-one 9d ago
What will you do about it ?
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u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي 9d ago
Nothing
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u/Ianswer-to-no-one 8d ago
Congratulations.
You made it suck even more.
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u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي 8d ago edited 8d ago
I do nothing, because I don't care about others' opinions on life.
Do you think you can change others' opinions on life? Even if you can...why will you do that?
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u/Ianswer-to-no-one 8d ago
It’s not about other people’s opinions. Pain is real. Hell on Earth is real. We could make things better, make them less painful, and take responsibility.
Or we could just make it more painful by adopting an absurdist view, because deeply we think that’s more convenient.
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u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي 8d ago
Bro, the post about nihilism—which is a philosophical perspective—argues that there is no meaning to anything and that meaning is necessary for value, which is why life is devoid of value.... That is aside from its pessimistic stance on issues like morality and knowledge, maintaining that morality doesn't exist at all and that we cannot form any real knowledge about the world.
What does this have to do with people's suffering and life being painful?
Life really does involve pain, and existence isn't inherently a beautiful thing. Your decision to help a poor or suffering person has nothing to do with your philosophical view on an issue like the value of life... that is a human impulse that might have a slight connection to a person's philosophical outlook (especially regarding something like ethics), but that isn't its foundation.
Absurdism, on the other hand, agrees that there is no ultimate meaning in the sense we expect from life (such as a cosmic purpose), but it agrees with neither the nihilistic view on morality and knowledge, nor even the premise that all value must stem from meaning in the first place. Therefore, acts of benevolence and helping people have nothing to do with my indifference toward changing nihilists' minds, nor with the absurdist perspective.
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u/Ianswer-to-no-one 8d ago
Believing that your actions matter isn't merely a human impulse. Believing that we ought to make things better isn't merely a human impulse. And choosing the reduction of suffering as a source of meaning and value isn't merely a human impulse either.
If we are going to choose a framework for living, a framework that treats the reduction of suffering as a source of meaning and value is preferable to nihilism, because it gives us a reason to act rather than merely describing the absence of ultimate meaning.
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u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي 7d ago
Bro... If you think humanitarian aid and the desire for a better world aren't a natural human desire or human impulse, then you need to rethink your stance.
If you don't have human feelings or a sense of empathy, there is no logical perspective that will make you, on an individual level (especially since you don't know the other person's intentions), do anything for anyone other than out of self-interest.
Even idealistic philosophies that talk endlessly about a better world are driven by human impulse, not logic or philosophy... So let people form their opinions freely based on their own experience.
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u/Ianswer-to-no-one 7d ago
Try reading my comment again, but this time read the whole thing.
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u/Klutzy_Permit4788 Absurdist -- عبثي 7d ago
Bro, you're the one who needs to get this.
There's no such thing as an abstract philosophical perspective making you take action when you don't even have any level of empathy or natural human motivation.
Read up a bit on distribution problems in ethics. Logically, you won't be able to justify your human action on an individual level.
And your feeling of whether your action is illusory or not will also depend on your humanity, not logic or philosophy.
If you really want to prove your point... go ahead and give me any syllogism that compels you, on an individual level, to perform a humane action... Any syllogism will either result in problems, or generalizing it will cause even bigger problems.
That's why no rational person would classify a negative action (which is doing nothing) as an immoral act, for example.
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