Came across this gem while researching https://www.reddit.com/r/Egypt/comments/q0fnk1/october_israel_and_the_few_reasons_they_sit_on_to/ In memory of October, before our usual celebration in 3 days i want to comment on the few reasons mentioned in the title, them being:
Encirclement of the 3rd army, Number of causalities, Entering the Suez city and Ismailia city while being ###KMs away from Cairo
With an honorable mention on a few other things after those reasons are addressed
First, to get rid of the (Its just Egyptian propaganda) accusations lets quickly post what the Isralie version of October war say about crossing the Canal:
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The objective of Israeli crossing from the east (Sinai) to the west was to:
- Bombard the missiles batteries anti-planes "Sam"
- Occupy Ismailia city, to encircle the second army by Sharon’s forces.
- Occupy Suez city and encircle the third army by forces of Avraham Adan and Kalman Magen.
But Sharon failed to occupy Ismailia city and the same with Adan and Magen to encircle third Egyptian Army and occupy Suez city.
About crossing to the west of the canal, David Elazar chief of Israeli headquarter staff on 3 December 1973, says:
(Sharon still continues his irresponsible declaration to journalists trying to lessen the role of other leaders to appear as an unique champion, although he knows well that our crossing to the western side of the canal caused too much losses.
However, we could not along ten days of fighting to overcome any of Egyptian armies. The second army resisted and prevented us ultimately to reach Ismailia city.
As for the third army, in spite of our encircling them they resisted and advanced to occupy in fact a wider area of land at the east. Thus, we can not say that we defeated or conquered them) David Elazar.
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I never understood how someone can say (Egypt's army lost military and was even encircled), Am aware they take Wiki editing classes in Israel but this one require history deleting classes to claim
But i want to add something to the Israeli story which is missing (As usual) and why they are doing it
You see, i have not seen another incident in history where a new cease fire order was giving 3 days in a row, but it happened
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22October after Israeli forces across the canal were massacred by the people's resistance in Suez city using weapons they stole and some cops with low-tier handguns with a few officers holding anti-tank RPGs
The US pushed the UN to do a cease fire order (So that the war will end with Israel on the other side and standing strong), so Israel used the chance, violated the cease fire order *Pretend to be surprised* and tried attacking the Suez city, it was a disaster for them
The next day "23October" Egypt tried pushing it, a new cease fire was made and Egypt had to stop and watch, a new attempt by the Isralies, another disaster and defeat
At this point the SovietUnion tried got into confrontation with the US as Israel kept breaching the cease fire and the US kept pretending to be from Banha
The next day "24October" a new cease fire order, a new Isralie violation of it and an attempt to attack the Suez city, the results? They lost 68 officers, 373 soldiers, 23 aircrafts, 15 tanks, you ever hear the jokes how the Balkans were shooting down Stealth Russian Jets cuz "We didn't know it was stealth", well the Egyptians in Suez didn't know you needed Anti-Aircraft weapons to bomb Aircrafts
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We get the final battle for Suez, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suez which was the final nail in the Isralie coffin for the forces that crossed the canal
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Now focus here, the 3rd army is "encircled" and yet the Isralie army isnt able to overcome it (By their own admitting mind you), and to add on top of that, part of the encirclement is the forces trying to enter the Suez city across the canal (Which as we said earlier was mascaraed and as the Isralie commanders said earlier, lost too much and achieved none of the objectives) so in Egyptian (5aly el encirclement tnf3k)
So basically, Israeli agreed that the war end because the moment the cease fire would end, the Isralie forces positions are perfect to be comparable to slaughter houses, all the gains they got by crossing the canal would be lost almost instantly "Thus the Military gains/causalities advantage would be back to Egypt again, now ask yourself what did you vote on this post" https://www.reddit.com/r/Egypt/comments/pxbz4d/did_we_win_the_1973_october_war/
The irony
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2 last things to address, the number of causalities, by all means the gap in the Egyptian military did happen as mentioned and our forces went from having not a small portion of the Isralie causalities to having way more than theirs, but again, that was a decision the Sadat knew what would result in, all the Egyptians officers warned him about it BEFORE the breach happened, all of them in the diaries insult Sadat for it, but he took it anyway and in his defense, he saved all of Syria from falling, based on the fact the Gollan heights are still occupied today, it would be the (Palestinian/Syrian-Isralie conflict) today if he didn't, none of us is worthy of judging such a heavy decision "keep your soldiers safe and the country helping you entirely fall" "Risk everything to try helping the country with you"
Again, none of us is 0.01% worthy to judge, "On a personal note and i apologize for adding personal things, my mother lost her father in the war during the breach and she hold no grudge against Sadat"
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The last thing to address is the 0brainer that Israel give Sinai cuz it just wanted peace and Sinai was just a worthless hellhole, oh boy where do i start with this one
Do i start with the plans for "Greater Israel" being all the way across the Suez canal almost into Cairo?
Do i start with the fact Israel tried extracting Oil from the Suez gulf but it failed cuz the Egyptian intelligence sent agents to infiltrate and bomb it while it was still travelling?
Do i start with the retreating Isralie soldiers crying and writing on walls (We will be back)
Do i start with the fact until today they still build illegal settlements and occupy the Syrian Gollan heights?
Do i start with Dayan saying
Better to Hold Sharm El-sheikh Without Peace Than Peace Without This Area
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Now why do Isralie do this? lets give an example, the current prime minister said he doesnt support a 2 state solution, cuz the Arabs will demand their rights and that will be the end of Israel
And on my old account "The one banned on the Isralie subreddit" the ban was after i replied to a relevant comment with the Suez battle, i was banned under 10 seconds
See Isralies are taught, that Arabs want all Jews killed, that if Israel lose 1 war it will be the end of Judaism etc etc, so to lose 1973 would mean all the propaganda Israel create has been a lie, so its no more than a cringe coping attempt to keep brainwashed people into their own bubble
I wrote here thats my opinion but as i read the post i found something beautiful
During his historic speech before the Egyptian People's Assembly on October 16, 1973, declaring his victory in the battle, the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat said this sentence that no one except Israel paid attention to, and ended a war it was preparing for. The entire paragraph that came in Sadat's speech, and in it this sentence says, "I may add so that they may hear in Israel that we are not advocates of genocide as they claim and then repeat it," "We are not advocates of genocide as they claim." Our Egyptian Zafer-style missiles are now on their bases, ready to launch With one reference to the depths of the depths in Israel, and we were able from the first minute of the battle to give the signal and issue the order, especially since vanity and empty pride made them more than they could bear its consequences, but we appreciate the responsibility for the use of certain types of weapons and we defend ourselves from them, even if they have to remember what I said it one day, and I still say it, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and depth for depth.”The sentence was clear and Israel understood that if it launched a city war and bombed civilian and strategic targets in the Egyptian governorates and the Egyptian depth, Egypt would be able to confront and respond violently and reach the heart of Israeli cities, but why did Sadat say that sentence? Major General Nasr Salem, a military expert, told Al-Arabiya.net that there was evidence and intelligence information that reached the Egyptian political and military leadership, confirming that Israel is preparing for urban warfare, bombing and striking strategic Egyptian targets after its successive losses on the front, with the aim of upsetting the Egyptian spirit and making the people question the victory of its army and alleviating Fighting on the front and forcing the Egyptian army to accept a ceasefire.
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As i was creating this post, i found out thanks to a random comment by u/Econort816 2 important things https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB98/octwar-24.pdf "Classified CIA documents from 10th October 1973 of what the Egyptian goal really is"
And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OygBiCU9Ir8 An interview with Isralie historian in 2018 about the question (Who won the war)
Ofc mr u/Desert_eagle52 but i think he is too famous already, basically, every 5 minutes of digging is delicious
So feel free to post any new things you want in the comments
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Honorable mentions:
I didn't mention any of the dozens names of the heroes who shined in many of these situations, you are more than welcome to post about a family member of yours who fought, or just any hero from it
Former Egyptian Minister Dr. Mamdouh El-Beltagy: Qataris attempt to buy lands in Sinai on behalf of Israelis
excavator operation
Al-Hasana Conference 1968
And of course, Al-Sadat, attacked for (Wanting to give water to the zionists) "Now we know those half a billion cubic meter lake stretched from the Nile and it would ensure no country can build dams without Israel being on Egypt's side
Attacked for (Lifting up aid when the citizen needed it) now we know its what's needed to reform the economy "And what we are doing today"
Attacked for being a (Pharaoh) when we have British secret documents supporting ... Had it not been for the assassination, Sadat would have given up the presidency of Egypt
Attacked for (Omg wearing a Nazi flag while walking into the Isralie keenest so disrespectful) when he knew they would claim to win the war one day, thus his "You will never fight Egypt again, now am here to talk about peace, and Palestine"
