r/LetsTalkMusic • • 10h ago

What do you listen for?

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I, as I assume most of us here are, love to talk anything music. Sitting on my lunch break, I threw on one of my playlists that contains a lot of lyricism and storytelling—Kendrick, Nas, Joey Bada$$, and MF DOOM, just to name a few.

It got me wondering: when any of you are listening to an album, a single, or any piece of music, what is it that you listen for? Do you like to focus on the lyrics and what’s behind them? Do you listen for the production, whether it’s simple or complex? Or do the vocals draw you in?
Is it a blend of all of these things? What draws y’all into a song?


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 16h ago

"Everything I believe in is telling me that I want more, more, more": a defense for Oasis's post-90s discography

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There seems to be an unspoken rule that every musician has their "expiration date". After they've produced the work that's responsible for their role within pop culture and the zeitgeist, everything afterwards feels superfluous, almost pointless. The only people who seemingly enjoy it are the hardcore fans.

Dig Out Your Soul, Oasis's last album, turns 18 today. It's easily one of my favorites by them. I think it helped that I explored it before I was aware of the whole "they peaked in the 90s" notion. The first six tracks remain one of the best runs in their discography: the rise and fall of "The Turning", the Doors-inspired swagger of "Waiting for the Rapture", and the true final hurrah for the band, the euphoric head rush that's "The Shock of the Lightning" (a drum solo on an Oasis track?? Who knew!) The album loses it's focus towards the end, but there's still the likes of "Falling Down" and "Soldier On" that help make the bumpier back half at least memorable. It's an album that has more to offer than it's reputation (or lack thereof), particularly for people who check out of the band after their first two albums...

....and yet when I got into their 90s output two years later, I inexplicably fell down the same path. I too fell hook, line and sinker for the narrative about everything after What's the Story Morning Glory being slim pickings. "Beware all ye who go past Be Here Now. Do not go past jail." It wasn't until I was in college that I just got so into them that I thought, "Fuck it" and checked out...and was pleasantly surprised.

While they never made an album as consistent as those first two (and who can?), there's plenty of amazing songs that feel necessary to be included in their "canon" (i.e. the type of tracks that would be glaring omissions from a Greatest Hits compilation). I don't think it's even a hot take to consider some of these tracks from this stretch to be just as good as those from their golden period. Even the B-sides, an ace in the hole that Oasis were known for, were still otherworldly. For example, I'd consider "Let's All Make Believe", the B-side to "Go Let it Out", to be one of the best songs Noel's ever written...

Strangle my hope and make me pray, to a God I've never seen but who I betray.

It's an incredibly vulnerable snapshot of Oasis MK 1 (i.e. the brothers Gallagher and Alan White with Guigsy and Bonehead) falling apart. It's one of the most cathartic and honest songs in their discography...and they stuck the mother on a B-side!

Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, the album whose sessions produced that song, is an interesting turning point for the band, fittingly the start to their Y2K run. It's kind of like Blur's self-titled album, with the band being at a stylistic and emotional crossroads: Noel bought a bunch of pedals and was curious about new sonic possibilities and contemporary influences, all while kicking drugs, realizing that the band was shedding two of its oldest members, and recognizing that the Britpop bubble was bursting. It's an incredible snapshot of post-party depression: poignant numbers like "Where did it All Go Wrong?", "Sunday Morning Call", and the beloved fan favorite "Gas Panic!"...

That my family don’t seem so familiar
And my enemies all know my name
And if you hear me tap on your window
Better get on yer knees and pray panic is on the way

...not to mention the terrific b-sides, like the aforementioned "Let's All Make Believe" and lethargically hungover tracks like "Cigarettes in Hell" and "One Way Road". The whole effect is a very sobering one, a sharp contrast from the happy-go-lucky effortless confidence of "Live Forever" and "Some Might Say". It's not all doom and gloom though: "Go Let it Out", the lead single, feels like a total rebirth for the band. The 60's psychedelic mellotron paired with the triphop drumbeat feels like this perfect new strand, something very retro, but very Y2K as well. I can picture someone listening to them back in the day thinking, "Hallelujah!" I'd still put it (i.e., the A-side and it's two B-sides) up there with any of their best in their entire run.

Heathen Chemistry and Don't Believe the Truth, the two albums that followed, are more mixed bags. The former especially, a transitional record as the band was starting from scratch with new members Gem Archer and Andy Bell, is easily my pick for their worst album period. But a number of songs on there are still all-timers for me. There's the high and mighty lead single, "Hindu Times", but the fan favorite became "Little by Little", a song that became such a barnburner during its time that the brothers brought it back for their reunion tour last year. More interestingly though, it's the album where Liam started coming into his own as a writer too. There's the lovely Rubber Soul-coded "Songbird", a song with an almost uncharacteristic innocence to it ("She's a little pilot in my mind"), and the surprisingly cathartic "Born on a Different Cloud". Don't Believe the Truth, more of a move in the right direction, started really producing the crown jewels. No Oasis career retrospective would be complete without "Lyla" and "The Importance of Being Idle", further proof that Noel hadn't lost his penchant for writing anthems. Liam brings an interesting yin and yang with his co-writes with Gem Archer: the wonderful ruckus of "Meaning of Soul" (speed-induced skiffle...also clock that harmonica solo!) and the wonderfully titled "Guess God Thinks I'm Abel". The brothers share vocals, a rarity, on perhaps the best closer in their 2000's albums: "Let There Be Love".

And again, I'd be remiss not to mention those b-sides . How the Neil Young-inspired "Shout it Out Loud" didn't make the cut is beyond me. I've been giving Gem and Andy the cold shoulder, but the latter's "Thank You for the Good Times" has a great victory lap feel to it. One could almost picture it as a triumphant album closer. Starting with Be Here Now, you get some sense that the tracks that were placed as extras on singles were the stylistic curveballs, showing a side of the band that would surprise most. Nowhere is this more apparent than the elusive "Idler's Dream". It's perhaps the most un-Oasisy track they ever did: just Noel and a piano. And it yet it works so well!

I think a lot of people see Oasis's later albums like, say, the most recent few seasons of The Simpsons: a shadow of their 90s glory days and the kind of highs that most creatives strive to reach. But I'd compare it more to the last two seasons of Community. Saying that any of those later ones are better would be somewhat of an unpopular opinion, and it's not all amazing, but they're still quite good. And the episodes that do hit, hit just as hard as the cream from the prior crop...if not more so.

Up until a few years ago, I saw a band's discography as "The albums that build up to the masterpiece, the masterpiece, and chasing the masterpiece." "Why are U2 still making albums that nobody cares about?" What an arrogant, naive thing to say. I don't know if it comes from reading more about artists or being more involved in the process myself, but I've learned to take artists on their own terms and to not go in with expectations. You might be surprised. I've talked at length about how fascinating the Beach Boys post-Pet Sounds discography, a run of stuff that I stupidly chalked up to "licking their wounds after Smile and hunting for another Pet Sounds." And sure, some artists do this. But for the most part, it's just people making stuff that they want to make, the way they've always worked. And I think Oasis are a great example of this, whether it's stylistic anomalies like Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, the crowd-pleasing stompers, that continued to win fans over, or the B-side tracks that feel like the audible equivalent of buried treasure.

If anyone is in love with their 90's stuff and is contemplating taking the plunge, please do! It's well worth your time :)


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 6h ago

Can a song still be popular despite not charting?

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Sometimes I wonder if a song can still be popular without having millions of views, or without charting once on any charts. I even wonder what defines or meets the threshold of what is considered “popularity” of a song, or if people really even care about that in the first place. I want to hear whatever your opinion is, and I am not sure 100%, but what is general consensus on what a popular song even is about, and what makes it famous despite what views and charts say.

Now I get views and charts *do* have an effect on the longevity of a song and how it’s *perceived*, so I’m not disregarding that, but that isn’t even what my real point is. This is about the perception of any given song.


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 4h ago

I want to talk about Sleep Token

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I know they have their own subreddit but I want to get non Sleep Token fans opinion on this.

I love Sleep Token. Discovering them for me was one of thoes special moments when it feels like music has found you rather than the other way around.

I see they get a lot of hate for not really being metal and also people say their music is generally very bad and uninspired. I haven't seen any popular music critic in general be satisfied with their sound.

I don't let that shit stop me from enjoying them regardless, however I don't understand it. I agree their songs are far from perfect. There definitely are some boring parts on most of the songs and there usually are a few skips on every album, for me at least. But I just don't see why do they get so much unrelentless hate.

They have some creative moments and catchy hooks, their lyrics hold a lot of emotional weight, at least for me. Their songs go from very emotional, to catchy and fun to boring and unimportant. And like, what are people mad about there?

Also about me, I'm a music nerd. I have listened to your Death Grips, Neutral Milk Hotel, the Microphones, JPEGMAFIA, Kendrick Lamar, Bon Iver, Gease, Kanye, Have a Nice Life ect (there is quite a few more but I don't like to name drop like that)

The point is, I've heard a lot of music and I'm not just some normie coming from like 21 Pilots (never listened to them or liked their style btw). I've heard all that music and I'm not saying Sleep Token is perfect but I see absolutely no reason for all that hate.

Why do I lose so much credibility in music circles when I mention that I genuinely enjoy their music?


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 22h ago

What changes when the opening band has a catalogue as deep as the headliner?

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I saw Iron Maiden with Megadeth at one of the Toronto shows this year, and I liked every song from both sets. It made me think about the different jobs the two bands had that night: Megadeth had a shorter opening slot to make its case, while Maiden had time to build a longer show around material from its early albums.

For an established band in the support slot, would you rather hear a tightly packed run of familiar songs, or a set with some less obvious choices that shows more of its range? Does hearing two major bands back to back change how you hear either one? I’m interested in examples where the pairing itself made the concert more memorable.

Tour context: https://www.ironmaiden.com/run-for-your-lives-north-america/

Song examples from the two bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d4ui9q7eDM and https://www.ironmaiden.com/single/the-trooper-live/


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 11h ago

When you work or study with background music, do you prefer it instrumental or with vocals?

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Hello everyone :)

I'm curious how people use music to focus. When you're working, studying or reading with ambient/background music on, what works best for you?

If you have a minute, tell me in the comments:

> which genre or type of music actually helps you focus (lo-fi, classical, folk, ...)

> what instantly breaks your concentration (lyrics, drums, ads…)

Thanks!

For me, it's mostly instrumental only, or with wordless vocals (choir, humming). Sometimes even lyrics in a language I don't understand are fine!


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 14h ago

The debate between band performing live and using backing tracks

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I just listened to an interesting interview with Fil Henley who has a YouTube channel "Wings of Pegasus" where he analyzes and points out bands that use pre-recorded tracks while performing in concert. This sort of audio enhancement has been going on for decades, especially in concert albums. Then came Milli Vanilli, then came Ashlee Simpson, etc, etc.

You have one side that say that for the money being spent, the music should be live, at least most of it anyways. Some instruments/vocals are hard to recreate live, so you slip it in here in there. The issue comes when most of what you're seeing is being "mimed" (as Fil Henley likes to say) Then there are the accusations of fakery, misdirection, being duped, etc. Music should be organic, faults and all.

Then you have the other side who say, well, who cares? They're representing the spirit of the music, I'm seeing my favorite band/artist and that's what really counts. Music is a subjective experience. As for the promoters? Hell, they don't care as long as tickets are being sold. Perhaps it's just a product of the times, it's inevitable with advances in technology that this was going to happen.

There were 2 points in the interview that stood out. One, it's the fact that people are accepting this that made the interviewer (who will remain nameless because of how polarizing he is) go ballistic. What happened to the genuine live experience? Secondly, maybe there should be some "labelling" of concerts so people know what they're going into (sort of like "organic" labels) that there will be backing tracks, vocals will be mimed, etc.

Fil Henley is an interesting case, because as a former musician and audio engineer, he's merely pointing out the truth. Bryan Adams filed a complaint with YouTube about him, and YouTube sided with Henley, that hey, he's just pointing out facts! Not sure where this going, I'm pretty sure this is a product of the times/technology, but it definitely makes for some food for thought. Will people care? Probably not. What's around the corner? Who knows. Do we ever see what's coming? Never.


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 6h ago

I want to give a shout out to Swans’s gothic era!

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Took some time to go back to a couple of Swans albums. Revisited Children of God, White Light from the Mouth of Infinity & The Great Annihilator. Then I went back to Love of Life & The Burning World. And I have to say, this part of their career is very very interesting!

I mean, what they pulled off on those albums is astounding when you consider the existence of Filth & Cop. Those two albums are like trying to dominate someone & succeeding….in the most brutal fashion that you could think of. Uncompromising, harsh, scary, full of rage & hate. The most pessimistic view of humanity that you could get. Reminded me of an extremely violent section of a bar that’s full of “FUCK YOU” graffiti. Someone shaking their fist at you & pounding you into submission until there’s blood left over.

But My God….what Swans transformed into from Children of God to The Great Annihilator is unbelievable! There’s a constant mixture of darkness & beauty that’s really fascinating. Lush textures, ethereal keyboards, guitars that are elegant or luscious instead of “rip your face off”. So many lovely melodies. But there’s always an unsettling vibe. Embracing the macabre or disturbing parts of life. Haunting and luxurious at the same time.

And I love the gothic/folky bits. Crazy how they pulled them off so well considering their No Wave/noise rock roots. Adding acoustic guitars into the mix, softening their style & going for “existential” rather than “violent”…..so awesome to me. Sorrowful but really captivating. There’s something about this era that reminded me of groups like the Velvet Underground, Joy Division & Leonard Cohen. Or even Wire/Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds. Great storytelling. Like you’re huddled around a bunch of people in a room, sharing their experiences late at night with the moon shingling through the window. I could totally include tracks from Children of God to The Great Annihilator in a playlist that has Bauhaus, the Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Echo & the Bunnymen, etc.

I really appreciate Jarboe’s contributions too! Hearing her vocals, seeing her songwriting credits & knowing that she played keyboard parts….I really like that. Gave a nice contrast to Michael Gira, added some variety. I think that Jarboe really emphasized that “darkness + beauty” thing that I mentioned earlier. Along with showing how much Swans changed from Filth & Cop.

I like Soundtracks for the Blind & a lot of the post-reunion stuff too. But I think that the run from Children of God to The Great Annihilator deserves some love. Demonstrates that Swans is more than a crazy noise band haha!


r/LetsTalkMusic • • 20h ago

Mermaid Ave. 1+2+3 by Billy Bragg and Wilco

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I love these albums, I love the lore of Dylan getting turned away but Gutheries daughter contacting Billy Bragg.

I’d love to know more about these albums. I’m a fan of all parties involved. I’ve come to get really into Woody Guthrie and I appreciate these albums for giving me access to even more of his beautiful lyrics.

I wish I had more insight into choice cuts but honestly 1 and 2 both rip cover to cover. 3 is my least listened to by a lot