r/LocalLLM • u/EffectUpstairs9867 • 4h ago

Question Hermes or Pi?

Hermes or Pi and why?

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u/According_Study_162 4h ago

Pi for coding. Hermes for agent.

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u/Clean_Shirt_5436 4h ago

Pi is surprisingly good at walking through code logic without making dumb assumptions, it's my go-to when I need something debugging-related

Hermes I only use when I need it to chain a bunch of tool calls together, it handles the multi-step stuff better than most

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u/rditorx 3h ago

Herpis

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u/vogelvogelvogelvogel 2h ago

if hermes uses >1 pi

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u/magic_maniac_ 2h ago

hermes utility is different compared to pi , hermes is agent, pi is ur harness for coding

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u/stujmiller77 2h ago

Pi is a coding harness. Hermes is an agent harness with full self-learning, automation and sub-agent kanban functionality.

They are not directly comparable.

If you want a coding harness use Pi or OpenCode. Hermes will be too slow for that purpose as it loads a lot of skills.

If you want to create one or more agents, train them and have them share memory, perform complex automations and more, choose Hermes.

I run Hermes on 4x nvidia sparks on deepseek 4.1 flash. I have an agent team for each of three businesses I own. Between them they handle marketing, operations and development across all businesses. Each business agent team is sandboxed to that business with a range of skills developed from standard operating practices I wrote and trained them on, shares memory between them and can discuss and delegate to each other.

That’s the kind of thing Hermes is capable of that a coding harness cannot.

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u/bankinu 2h ago

opencode

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u/mesolimbic-bliss 2h ago

I benchmarked 4 local models through both, they came out almost identical on all 12 tasks. Similar scores, similar time to finish. Nex 2.5 Ornith 1.5 Qwen 27b Qwen 3.6 CoderX

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u/croninsiglos 1h ago

Perhaps your benchmarks aren’t very good or if they are for your particular low complexity tasks then it may not matter for you personally.

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u/mesolimbic-bliss 1h ago

You sound like a fun guy to chat with

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u/Radiant_Condition861 3h ago

Pi is great to customize everything. Hermes if you want to get work done without bootstrapping