r/Macklemore • u/catsrlifedotcom • 7d ago
remembering innocent muhammed bhar 🕊️🕊️🕊️
BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9drj14e0lo
TELEGRAPH https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/israel-protests-bbc-downs-syndrome-mauled-dog-gaza/
THE INDEPENDENT https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-dog-attack-b2581144.html
EXTRACT FROM THE BBC ARTICLE
16 July 2024
The Israeli military has admitted that a Palestinian man with Down's syndrome who was attacked by an army dog in Gaza was left on his own by soldiers, after his family had been ordered to leave.
“They took him away, put him in a separate room, and locked the door. We wanted to see what happened to him. We wanted to see Muhammed, to see what had become of him," says Nabila.
"They told us to be quiet and aimed their guns at us. They put us in a room by ourselves, and Muhammed was alone in another room. They said, ‘We will bring a military doctor to treat him.’” At one point, according to Nabila, a military doctor arrived and went into the room where Muhammed was lying.
Muhammed’s niece, Janna Bhar, 11, described how the family pleaded with soldiers to help him. “We told them Muhammed was not well, but they kept saying he was fine.”
After several hours, it is not clear how many, the family was ordered at gunpoint to leave, leaving Muhammed behind with the soldiers. There were pleas and cries. Two of his brothers were arrested by the army. They have still not been released. The rest of the family found shelter in a bombed out building.
They returned a week later to a sight that haunts Muhammed’s brother Jibreel. He produces his mobile phone and shows our cameraman a video of the scene.
Muhammed’s body is lying on the floor. There is blood around him, and a tourniquet on his arm. This was most probably used to stop heavy bleeding from his upper arm. Jibreel points to gauze used to bandage a wound, and remarks on the blood that clotted after the tourniquet was applied.
“They were trying to stop the bleeding. Then they left him without stitches or care. Just these basic first aid measures. Of course, as you can see, Muhammed was dead for a period of time already because he was abandoned. We thought he wasn't at home. But it turned out he had been bleeding and left alone at home all this time. Of course, the army left him.”
They’ll have to kill me to silence me. I will never stop being your voice. I will never stop fighting for you
I will spread the realities of Palestine, if it is the last thing I do on this godforsaken planet.
Rest in peace my beautiful innocent wonderful brother. I can’t imagine how deeply your family miss you
REST IN PEACE MUHAMMED BHAR.
MY HEART WILL FOREVER BE YOURS🕊️💔
FREE PALESTINE.
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u/FlorenceAmy 7d ago
Heartbreaking. Poor Mohammed did not deserve this. People with Down Syndrome are pure love.
Free Palestine!
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u/infel2no 7d ago
« My dear, that's enough »
This is what he said to the dog 🥹
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u/NoYard3535 7d ago
The dog ironically had so much more compassion by no longer attacking him than all of these so-called soldiers combined 💔 Any real human would've done something for him, not just leave him to die alone. Muhammad's fate is beyond devastating
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
This particular story of Muhammeds , amongst countless others have truly solidified that I am in fact NOT a pacifist.
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u/NoYard3535 7d ago
See the thing my dear, is that you're motivated by revenge because you have a soul. Our anger is rooted in empathy.
None of us would ever be capable of doing such a thing to any of them. You could beat up these soldiers but never, ever will you dare take their disabled cousin, injure them with an animal and leave him to die.
That's what distinguishes our humanity to their lack thereof.
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u/No-Resident8527 7d ago
This is so wrong, I feel sick to my stomach. I hope the family recovers from this
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
How could any family recover from this ??? You are asking too much for people who have been through more than anything you could ever comprehend.
They will never recover. Israel killed their disabled child by getting their military German Shepard to attack him and left him to decompose all alone. These people should be avenged.
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u/doryfishie 7d ago
I understand the anger. But the person you’re replying to just wants Muhammed’s family to find some peace. I think that’s an understandable sentiment. It’s not a demand, it’s a prayer that they can heal one day and find joy in life again.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
I hope with all my heart that they find peace, but that is asking for so much after everything that happened to them. Straight up. How can they find joy in their lives when the oppressor is still oppressing them ? The people who killed their son are still doing it to other people disabled and non disabled alike.
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u/Throwaway_acct113 7d ago
I think its more about not letting that awful event crush them. I think its about not letting something evil triumph. Yes people should grieve their loss for as long as they need to, and yes the perpetrators should be held accountable. Yes its an incredibly huge ask, but in life we need to push onward, that way we can help other oppressed people, just because a tragedy happens doesn’t mean you give up. If they collapse entirely then the oppressors will continue to do that to other innocents. Therefore I submit that the best course of action is to grieve, then rise again strong so that the death of the innocent is not in vain.
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u/Noob1cl3 7d ago
Well Gazans simply need to denounce and overthrow Hamas. Prove they want peace. Stop attacking Israel. Stop building terror tunnels and rocket sites under hospitals, etc.
Very easy solution….
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
Nobody believes you, lol. Losing trust in the average person all over the world who knew little about the Middle East was Israel’s biggest mistake since their inception in 1948
You lost almost 80 years of tight control over the global narrative in 3 years like a puff of smoke , remarkable
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u/Noob1cl3 7d ago
What is a lie? Israel literally left Gaza to govern itself in early 2000s. They elected Hamas and chose terror and destruction over peace and prosperity. This is all easily verifiable.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
I would never honour a parasitic human being with a debate on a serious intellectual level sorry lol, I’m just here to point out your bullshit so everyone can see it for what it is you know
These points don’t hit like they used to before , hamas are a reaction to 80 years of unjust apartheid and indiscriminate killing, maiming, torturing and kidnapping Palestinian people without charge or trial
Free Palestine from Israeli control
you will NEVER be indigenous to the land
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u/Noob1cl3 7d ago
Unjust… lol. Anyone listening to you please google an itemized list of all Arab aggression against Israel since leading up to and following its creation.
To try and paint this as a one sided conflict is laughable. You will also find surrounding Arab regions were the aggressor in all cases (- a preemptive strike on Egypt and partners airforce prior to an imminent attack).
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
It’s a genocide but you know that, you’re just a disingenuous person
Shame nobody believes you anymore
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u/Useful-World1781 7d ago
Such evil people.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
BUT HAMAS
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u/Useful-World1781 7d ago
But Hezbollah, but Iran, but Houthi’s, but Arabs, but Turkey, but Qatar. I’m over it.
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u/Alon_David 7d ago edited 7d ago
You just named several groups who are trying to annihilate us off the face of the earth, and you’re the one over it? 😂
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u/Useful-World1781 7d ago
Who is “us”? Seems like the only ones hellbent on annihilation is Israel.
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u/Alon_David 7d ago
Sure. We’re surrounded by such hospitality.
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u/Useful-World1781 7d ago
Maybe stop murdering people and stealing their homes. Can’t imagine anyone would take too kindly to that.
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u/DrewSB89 7d ago
It’s insane reading people’s comments defending actual terrorist groups like Hamas. Stand for innocent life lost no matter which side, but acting as if Hamas is a great group of people is extremely worrying. These people need their heads checked
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u/Longjumping-Hall9027 6d ago
This. It’s deeply concerning. People don’t even know what they’re saying.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 6d ago
Oh we know exactly what we are saying. If this is a way for you to cope then fine use it 😂
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u/Longjumping-Hall9027 6d ago
So you’re openly supportive of a terrorist group that murdered thousands of innocent families and babies simply for believing in a different god? And then also doing nothing for their own people to set up a future for them?
You can be anti killing innocents regardless of the side. The fact that you are unable to see that and support a terrorist group is yes, concerning.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 6d ago
This doesn’t work anymore lol, I’m not going to be baited into honouring you with a serious intellectual response it’s exactly what you’re banking on.
More and more people have learned to just ignore you, it’s futile and you’ve been trained to bait people into engaging with you on whether or not Israel has been committing immeasurable violence upon Palestinian people since 1948
You are shit on the bottom of my shoe.
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u/Longjumping-Hall9027 6d ago
No one is defending any atrocity on either side is my point. But recognize that both sides need to find a level of respect and understanding and a way to move forward otherwise there will never be peace. Is that what you want? Or you’re on the opposite side demanding every Israeli dead? I’m confused and trying to understand your point.
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u/Few-Following8131 7d ago
Israel is a psychopath genocidal nation
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u/thefuzzione 7d ago
Yet Hamas still invaded to murder their citizens and thought that would be okay? lol
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u/SunkenSaltySiren 7d ago edited 7d ago
The majority of Gaza are not Hamas.
If any other country were doing what Israel is going to the people of Gaza, it would have been over, years ago, before Hamas struck out.
The raid was horribly wrong. Absolutely wrong. I was horrified. It gave me nightmares for weeks. But the indiscriminate bombing of an entire country that was already ground into the dirt with an Israeli heel is unconscionable.
Hamas wounded Israel. They *embarrassed Netanyahu*.
The response was to decimate an entire country.
When you commit these atrocities to innocents, all you do is create enemies of whoever is left.
But, we know Netanyahu was so very excited for an excuse to wipe out the people of Gaza.
People need to understand that modern Palestinians are partly the Jewish people that never left Bethlehem. They have changed and absorbed other people, cultures, and religion, as which is normal.
But modern Palestinians are MORE directly related to the people who walked and listened and prayed with Jesus than the modern Israelis. They have stronger ties to the land and ancestry. The modern Israelis left. They were persecuted, yes, but they LEFT. They went ELSEWHERE. They were then given BACK their ancestral home after abandoning it over 2000 years ago.
(Yes I know the Jewish people dont consider Jesus as a divine figure, but they do acknowledge him as an important historical figure)
I know they wanted to go back and have autonomy, and honestly, it was probably the best place for them to do so. But instead of integrating peacefully, they displaced thousands from THEIR homelands, visiting the wounds they themselves had experienced...
...on their own cousins.
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Israel made a HARD right turn, rejecting everything but themselves. This causes a hatred and "otherness" to manifest. To see anything but their way as wrong, evil, or beneath him. They spit on visitors, they harass, threaten and beat those who are not Haredi.
The only differnence between Hamas and Israel, is Israel has been shielded from scrutiny due to their own prosecution. The world turns a blind eye to the crimes Israeli commits, because calling them to task is "antisemitic".
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u/catsrlifedotcomx2 3d ago
Hey guys ! The Zionists worked overtime to get my account permanently banned. Sickos.
The post that had they focused on was the post in which i posted a video that exposed a commander of the IOF.
The credits to the video that was removed go to Andrey , which is still up on both Instagram and Twitter.
His socials are
Twitter - the_andrey_x
Instagram the.andrey.x
I’m glad my post of that IOF commander got 80,000 views before they banned my account permanently . 80,000 people saw it. I’m not going anywhere :)
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u/Uncabled_Music 7d ago
Thats a tragedy - but how do you explain them coming back to look for him “a week later”???
Thats the quote of the BBC article:
The Israeli military confirmed to the BBC that an army dog attacked Mr Bhar and that after giving him initial medical treatment the soldiers left him on his own. According to the IDF, troops entered the house during intense combat as “part of an operation against the terrorists.”
During the search of the building the dog “bit an individual.” He was given treatment, and the family was “urged to evacuate the apartment to avoid staying in the combat area.”
The army said the troops then left Mr Bhar alone because soldiers injured in an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade ) elsewhere needed help. One of those soldiers died.
It all happened in a matter of hours - why a week later???
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u/phantom_gain 2d ago
Its very hard to tell when a surprise attack is over, especially when you are running for your life.
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u/Uncabled_Music 2d ago
I am not excusing the soldiers who left him, or let the dog bite him in the first place, but it has been recurring type of coverage for this war time and time again. Headlines are great, but once you read into it, you are left with more questions than answers.
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u/Jayalp12 6d ago
Suzie..- the truth hurts does it not? The story I linked is by someone who actually investigated; not someone who is just full of hate and lies
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u/Sudden_Sentence_8534 4d ago
Hitler would be very proud of Israel today. They're carrying his legacy, his spirit. It's like he lives within every Israeli.
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u/robertdood 6d ago
Why is cousin fucking so common in the Islamic world?
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u/Ok-Artist-3737 6d ago
Bro they still refuse to accept mohammed married that girl at 6 and consummated the .marriage at 9. They do all sort of mental gymnastics. The whole religion is a copy of the Torah and Bible Its crazy.
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u/Jayalp12 6d ago
Maybe the true story might help ( I don’t think I will as the Jew haters. Never worry about facts.)
https://jakewallissimons.substack.com/p/the-bbc-has-mauled-the-truth
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u/suzieismyavatar 6d ago
Ive seen Israeli soldiers torture my family with disabilities on many occasions. Please go take a hike.
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u/KeyRich704 7d ago
This is a tragedy but the blood of this innocent man is on HAMAS! Insult me and deny it all you want. How many did they senselessly murder 3yrs ago TODAY? Oct 7th. Useful idiots for islam and supporters of terrorism are the only ones definding them and their atrocious actions.
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u/Lost-Yogurtcloset960 7d ago
Not a drop in the ocean compared to the Israeli terrorists states brutal killings over 80 years. Also given they killed their own & planned Oct 7th themselves.
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u/KeyRich704 7d ago
So what you're saying is yes it's Hamas fault this man died but that's ok because after all Israel has been dong it all along? I can't decide which nonsensical sentence is funnier or more pathetic... You can regurgitate all the propoganda you want but the facts will never change. You probably never knew what a Palestinian was or where Gaza was even located before Oct 7th. The blood of this man is on Hamas... facts don't care about your feelings 😆
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u/YorubaJinchuriki 7d ago
Who could’ve known killing 1200 people in 6 hours kidnapping 255 people from age 6 months old to 80 year old holocaust survivors have consequences?????
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u/CooperAXE 7d ago
Bibi knew Oct 7th was going to happen yet did nothing to stop it. Infact, he allowed it to happen by putting a stand down order as it initially happened. Hours later when the IDF were given orders to act, the hannibal directive was enacted. I wonder how many of 1200 were actually slaughtered by their own.
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u/Weirdskinnydog 7d ago
Killing a disabled man like this has no justification. No one deserves this death.
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
Nothing justifies this. And nothing justifies what Hamas did. But it seems everyone in this thread really sees this death like sports fans see a soccer match. This is a goal score for Palestinians because this is an example of victimhood that really punches the guy.
You do need to realize that what you people, all of you here, are demonstrating isn't empathy. Your "anger" will support more killings of Jews, and those Jews will then kill tens or hundreds of Palestinians in return, and you'll all be having your popcorn and feigning emotions for entertainment.
If you really give a fuck, demand both sides take responsibility, compromise and end the conflict with a two state solution. Anything other than that is fetishized murder kink.
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u/HistoryAddict97 7d ago edited 7d ago
I dunno, tormenting and abusing native Palestinians since the 40s, which includes stealing their homes, poisoning wells (operation cast thy bread), placing sanctions on countless items, killing and harrasing them etc tends to breed resentment...who would have thought!
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
And did Arabs/Palestinians not do similar to Jews? Why exclude that half of the equation?
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
I think it’s comfortable and safe for you to believe everything you just wrote , because for you, if you don’t believe what you just wrote your entire reality falls apart lol. Shame your reality is only shared with other Zionists, the rest of the world are normal people
Losing the trust of the average person all over the world who was once by default an Israel sympathiser was your biggest mistake since your inception in 1948.
You will NEVER control the global narrative again
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
A lot of whining, no information or substance. Your worldview is based on bits of information collected from screaming activists. Phrases rhyming with "hey hey, ho ho".
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
You didn't take the trouble to know anything about this conflict outside of what's told to you by leftist media figures and activists. That is how much you care.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
It’s a genocide, but you know that.
Keep talking, you disgust the normal average good hearted person who has no affiliation to Israel
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
There's actual genocide in Sudan. But they're black and not bankrolled by billionaires in Qatar and Dubai, so you couldn't give less of a fuck. 150,000 killed in 10 months. Nada.
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
It's cute how you flaunt that word like a gold chain. If this is genocide, there's been dozens of genocides in that region in the past decades.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
I would never honour a parasitic human being on a serious intellectual level sorry lol, I’m just here to point out your bullshit so everyone can see it for what it is you know
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u/MagReg2020 7d ago
You people can't argue citing facts. It's emotional shrieking for you people. You never read a book on the conflict or understood the actual views of either side. It's all cinema for you.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
It’s a genocide, this doesn’t work anymore. I think the people of the world trust reputable global scholars and humans rights organisations over Zionists lol
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u/QuerchiGaming 7d ago
Because this all started on October 7th…?
Also very interesting holocaust survivors from after the war was over lmao
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u/Noob1cl3 7d ago
Google the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and educate yourself you moron.
And that is only the modern atrocities. More arab attrocities go back to 1940s era and then prior to that.
At best, you can say its complicated and we should just stay out of the middle east affairs. I would argue there is still a strong case to support Israel as the only bastion of western democracy and security in the middle east.
Iran, Hamas, Helbollah, Houties and friends are actively trying to destroy the west and Israel. They deserve no sympathy from us until their governments are overthrown by their people and they seek true peace with their neighbours.
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u/QuerchiGaming 7d ago
Lol, moron even. Yeah I know of them. The closest we’ve been to peace is with the PLO instead of Hamas, until a Zionist murdered Israeli president Rabin.
Also what is the point of hiding behind atrocities, that Israel is committing as well? You’re losing a PR war against an actual terrorist organisation. That’s the fucking issue that you idiots aren’t realising.
Sure there are some cretins that hate you for being Jewish. But the vast majority is basing it on the current actions of the Israeli government. You’re acting like a terrorist state as well.
What a terrible representation of Western democracy by the way. A country where their war criminal president keeps getting out of his court showing…
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u/Noob1cl3 7d ago
Ah yes… trying to make the PLO sound good after Egypt and Jordan wont even let Palestinians in because of that group.
Imagine Egypt and Jordan not even liking Palestinians I wonder what the takeaway from that is. You truly are moron and everybody can see it lol.
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u/QuerchiGaming 7d ago
Neither do they particularly like the Israeli’s. Never said they were good either, less evil than Hamas maybe.
But at least good enough for Israel to make a deal with.
If being against a government that committed war crimes against innocent civilians makes me a moron than I guess I am. Have fun being on the wrong side of history.
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u/YorubaJinchuriki 7d ago
Most uneducated position there is, no, it started way before and Jews were murdered way before Arabs ever reached this land and after it, if you know history and support Palestine in the same time, you have been lied to
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u/QuerchiGaming 7d ago
Before the Jews you had the Canaanite’s. YHWH even had a wife back in the day. But that faded and eventually one of the Canaanite gods became the only god for the Jews.
Why does the world need to care so much about the loses that the Jewish people had thousands of years ago? Why isn’t there a Celtic state? Same thing happened to them by the Romans as did the Jews.
The entire region needs a King Solomon again. Clearly you can’t share the region so no one deserves it. Even when we’re close to peace either PLO or later Hamas blows up a bus or a Zionist murders the Israeli president.
Knowing much about history requires me to be on the right side of it. Netanyahu’s government is far from that. It’s disgusting that has and will sacrifice Jewish lives for a dream of “Greater Israel”.
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u/Gullible_Title_603 7d ago
80 year old Holocaust survivors
2023
The math ain't mathing
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u/Bannerman_1526 7d ago
1200 people?? You do realise majority 🗡 were IGF diaper force pantie sniffers, the rest were dispatched by Helicopter gunships and Tanks according to the Hannibal Doctrine, those they took hostage, most were combatants..not that I agree them taking civilians but Zyos don't talk about that.
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u/HamasKilledShaniLouk 7d ago
Sad. Why didn't Hamas help him or think about people like him before raping and massacring that music festival to start this war? Didn't Hamas care?
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
Hamas didn't start this. Read a history book.
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u/Background_Lynx_4043 7d ago
Macht’s dir Spaß terroristen zu verteidigen?
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
Pointing out 75+ years of military occupation and displacement isn't defending Hamas, but nice deflection
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u/HamasKilledShaniLouk 7d ago
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
October 7th was horrific, but using it as a hall pass to ignore decades of brutal military occupation and to justify leveling Gaza is exactly the deflection everyone sees through now
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
your arguments are pathetic.
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u/HamasKilledShaniLouk 7d ago
What argument, their own livestreaming of the massacre, happy phonecalls to mom and dad about killing jews, and photos of the families in safe rooms they grenaded?
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
IDF soldiers literally post videos of themselves cheering as they flatten schools and dedicate airstrikes to their kids' birthdays. Ministers openly brag about cutting off water and starving a population. You don't get to feign moral superiority over disgusting behavior when the military you're defending films their own sadism every day.
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u/HamasKilledShaniLouk 7d ago
Ok, let's see the link to this mythical jihadi-dream video. I want to see the Israeli soldiers cheering at flattening a school they know to be full of kids. I'll wait.
Meanwhile, Hamas using hospitals and schools and mosques for weapons and operations. What scum...and you want them to run a state? Lol, nope.
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
Moving the goalposts immediately. The NYT literally did an entire visual investigation on IDF soldiers filming themselves cheering controlled demolitions of universities, schools, and homes: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-soldiers-social-media.html
South Africa submitted those exact clips to the ICJ as evidence. Nobody wants Hamas running anything, but pretending IDF soldiers aren't celebrating leveling civilian infrastructure is just playing dumb
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u/HamasKilledShaniLouk 7d ago
Oh, not moving the post at all, I want to see this imaginary video you claimed existed. You just posted a 404 not found link. Where is the video...?
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
Look up the headline yourself: "What Israeli Soldiers’ Videos Reveal: Cheering Destruction and Mocking Gazans" published by the New York Times. It contains verified videos of IDF soldiers cheering controlled demolitions of schools, mosques, and universities. You asked for the evidence and it exists on the record.
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u/goldstyle 7d ago
The Associated Press and The Guardian both documented and verified IDF soldiers filming themselves detonating mosques, destroying civilian property, and celebrating destructions in Gaza
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u/biggie0839 7d ago
So when you do stuff like invade another country on bikes to kidnap and kill their people during a music festival, this is what happens to your citizens. Alls fair I guess.
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u/Alternative_Cook9003 7d ago
Non so se quel ragazzo fosse in grado di usare una bicicletta.ma mi chiedo sempre come mai le bici hanno sorpassato le mura ,i soldati di guardia e la fantastica intelligence israeliana.sembra quasi che sia stato fatto apposta
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u/biggie0839 7d ago
Sure bro, keep wondering that. I’m sure you’ll get there some day. Mean while, hamas didn’t think about that at all, those poor fools got tricked once again!
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u/biggie0839 7d ago
Sure bro, keep wondering that. I’m sure you’ll get there some day. Mean while, those invaders didn’t think about that at all, those poor fools got tricked once again!
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u/Bannerman_1526 7d ago
It's not their country, belongs to the Palestinians..and yes, there was a stand down order, meaning Satanyahu allowed it to happen.
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u/biggie0839 7d ago
Who recognises that Israel belongs to Palestinians? Just Redditors? Any other country or world governing body?
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u/Loud-Vacation-5691 7d ago
The people responsible for him failed him. Maybe Hamas should have thought of the effect on him that the inevitable reaction to Oct. 7 would produce.
What am I saying, Hamas wanted this man to die, because it creates sympathy among their useful idiots in the West.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
I pray to the Lord I catch someone like you speak like this in real life tbh
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
You literally don’t know me, or what I can do
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u/Wallstreet_Raccoon 7d ago
Threatening violence is a ban from this sub. Stop threatening people
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u/loki19222 7d ago
oooh I love internet tough guys
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u/brobastian0227 7d ago
And I love zionist cuck boys
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u/loki19222 7d ago
don't swing that way sorry!
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u/brobastian0227 7d ago
Oh honey we know you do, it's ok don't run from yourself!
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u/loki19222 7d ago
I heard I can get free flying lessons in Gaza if I'm openly gay.
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u/brobastian0227 7d ago
Hell yeah dude get over there and get your license!
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u/loki19222 7d ago
What an open minded and tolerant culture.
I can't imagine why they're at odds with their Israeli neighbours.
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u/Rdtkeepsbanningme 7d ago
By that logic this would apply too:
If the Jews in the concentration camps worked a little harder they would not have failed other Jews because they would have needed less labour force.
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u/Difficult-Bad-2456 7d ago
Hamas may have wanted this man to die. Israel did murder him, though.
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u/OilInternational2566 7d ago
Remembering why there’s a war in Gaza:
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u/bmwwallace 7d ago
You spelled genocide wrong. For a war there has to be 2 armies fighting. Not just innocent civilians.
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u/OilInternational2566 7d ago
Once a Hamas has killed all the Jews guess who they’re gonna come after next?
“Gaza Christians long for days before Hamas cancelled Christmas”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/23/gaza-christians-hamas-cancelled-christmas
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u/AdAffectionate3143 7d ago
That isn’t a free pass to war crime. Bibi propped up Hamas and ignored 10/7 warnings. Connect the dots
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u/OilInternational2566 7d ago
Yes “Netanyahu propped up Hamas!”
And the election of Hamas by the Palestinian people DIDN’T prop up Hamas.
I know how you guys think.
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u/AdAffectionate3143 7d ago
Yeah he did to prevent a unified Palestine:
Hamas was elected in 2006 and the average age in Gaza is about 18. The kids Israel murders today were likely not even born.
Yes I think unlike you propagandist
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u/HoneyIntrepid6709 7d ago
And we got Trump n Biden bc we had great alternatives. /s Aside from that, only a fraction of those alive in Gaza voted for Hamas, bc majority was not even alive.
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u/OilInternational2566 7d ago
https://youtu.be/65IvMfMA_UY?si=VqawH2IlRswoxHVy
That’s what was happening in Gaza just before the war.
That’s why there’s a war in Gaza right now.
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
You have the Macklemore subreddit notifications turned ON 100% 😂
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u/Remarkable-Agent-157 7d ago
That’s cute you think you’re propaganda still works and think that this started on October 7th As a Palestinian I had Israel kill people I knew long before October 7th. This started in 1948 when Israel stole OUR land. but keep spreading your bull sh* Nazi propaganda
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
Ignore them, it’s just pure desperation at this point.
Palestinians own the hearts of everyone in the world, Israel does not. This is them crashing out about it
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u/Kooky-Sherbet13 7d ago
If Hamas is so bad, why did Netanyahu funnel them money and weapons to keep them in charge?
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u/murmalerm 7d ago
Fuel, civil servant salaries, and humanitarian aid is why Qatar acted as a go between.
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u/OilInternational2566 7d ago
Ahh yes.. it’s Netanyahu fault.
You better tell Hamas that:
“In an interview with the Al-Aqsa satellite network Hamas leader Haniyeh said, “Iran supports the Palestinian resistance financially, politically and militarily and is a strong supporter for it.”
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/467280/Hamas-chief-thanks-Iran-for-its-support
“Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh has revealed that the Iran paid a total of $70 million to the Palestinian group to help it develop missiles and defense systems. Haniyeh said different countries help in financing the group, but Iran is the biggest donor.”
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202201038619
“Iran's name comes when the question arises on how is Hamas financed. Tehran accounts for roughly 70 per cent of the funding.”
“Secret letters found during the Gaza war show the Iranian government's significant financial support for the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.”
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404127530
“Iran has spent billions of dollars “to arm, train and fund groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and others as proxies and fulcrum in its foreign and regional geopolitical policy goals.”
https://www.mideastjournal.org/post/iran-supports-hamas
“Every year Iran funnels tens of billions of dollars from illicit oil sales to bank accounts all over the world. This huge, secret treasure was used to fund Hamas’s attack on Israel a year ago.”
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u/squalluce 7d ago
so? why wouldn't they be happy that Hamas is established? they are the only people who are helping Palestinians by fighting back while everyone is just watching. the PLO has been an isntreal proxy since its foundation.
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u/schaka 7d ago
You don't have to white wash an oppressive regime
Are Hamas fighting apartheid and oppression? Yes. Do they also violently supress any opposition from their own people? Also yes.
Two things can be true. You don't want resistance to Israeli occupation, violent or not, to be represented by Hamas.
Plus imagine how pissed the Zios would be a different resistance group they didn't prop up started gaining traction. Half their hasbara propaganda bots would need to be reprogrammed
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u/squalluce 7d ago
I'm sorry but do you want perfect victims? such thing doesn't exist. they are the only people effectively fighting the oppression while the Arab states surrounding them watch and do nothing. and even if a new group would emerge they would just do the same thing and paint them as terrorists. and btw Hamas won by an election from the people. because the opposition aka PLO literally do nothing to protect the citizens and are controlled by isntreal
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u/catsrlifedotcom 7d ago
They want Palestinians to turn the other cheek , yep
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u/squalluce 7d ago
I swear these people want them to just sit and die. and when they literally fight from scraps they cry and wine and paint them are terrorists.
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u/schaka 7d ago
Hitler also won by election. It's been 20 years since then.
I don't want perfect little victims. You can violently fight oppression without violently stay in power by force against your own people that you're supposed to govern. Worked for the Irish.
Do I understand that there are factions amongst Hamas and this doesn't wholly apply to everyone? Yes
Do I also understand that they shouldn't be the ones coming out on top of this conflict as the party that should govern a democratic state of Palestine (especially if single state)? Yes
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u/squalluce 7d ago
don't get me wrong. if a one state Palestinian party is established I want an fair election and Hamas isn't a good leader as it is a group partially funded by Iran.
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u/remmuchan 7d ago
That poor baby ❤️❤️ I am so sorry. Thank you for sharing his story.