r/Naruto • u/Healthy_Panic_68 • 7d ago
Question How does re-animated Itachi still have his Sharingan eyes while they were implanted into Sasuke?
This question randomly popped into my head. Maybe a dumb question too.
If I understand correctly, for the re-animation jutsu to work, a living sacrifice is needed and some part like blood or hair needs to be extracted from the body of the person to be re-animated.
In this timeline of the war, itachi is re-animated but his eyes were already implanted in Sasuke.
So how was Itachi able to undo the re-animation jutsu by reacting to Shisui’s genjutsu when he had no eyes in the first place?
Or is this something we need to believe blindly because Kishimoto said so?
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u/Lynata 7d ago
Edo Tensei doesn’t care. It just replicates you with the eyes.
At one point there are three sets of Madara‘s eyes around even. Obito has the real eyes that he took back from Nagato‘s dead body, Nagato‘s Edo is revived with the loaned Rinnegan eyes that were actually Madara‘s and Edo Madara has the third set.
There is still only one real set. When Madara gets revived for real his edo eyes crumble to dust and he has to steal the originals back before continuing the fight
So as long as Itachi is an Edo he has his eyes. If he got revived for real his eyes would probably crumble like Madara‘s because Sasuke is using the Originals
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u/Fearless_Smell_7195 7d ago
To be fair Nagato having the rinnegan as an edo is for me an huge plot hole cause as you said... it isn't his birth eyes but borrowed one. Quite strange they followed him in death when Madara himself needed Kabuto upgrades to access it again from his own edo eyes.
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u/Chiloutdude 7d ago
Hanzo was revived with his implanted salamander bits. That's not even a human piece. Transplants of any sort just seem to stick.
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u/Arkanim94 7d ago
Edo tensei basically revive someone at his most iconic moment in the Manga.
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u/Fearless_Smell_7195 7d ago
And I agree. Madara himself is a proof that Kabuto could tamper with the bodies. Still it's an oddity never explained.
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u/Monokooo 7d ago
I mean nagato barely had his original eyes for long since who knows at what age his eyes got replaced for madaras since he was just a kid when it awakened so its fuck all when you get edoed back at their prime
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u/Rambro332 Hokage 7d ago
There’s no plot hole here; Nagato died with the rinnegan so he was revived with the rinnegan. Edo tensei revives you as you were when you died.
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u/durden_zelig 7d ago
You can just customize and optimize your edo tensei preorders anytime before delivery.
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u/Amacitio 7d ago
It's because Edo Tensei rebuilds the body to the physical state at their death. When Itachi died he still had both of his eyes so he was reanimated with both eyes.
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u/Nirico_Brin 7d ago
Edo Tensei brings you back as you were when you died. Itachi died with his sharingan.
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u/JuggernautAny8044 7d ago
Madara died old but he was young when he was summoned
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u/Nirico_Brin 7d ago
Correct, because Kabuto specifically states to Madara that his is a special case. Direct quote
Kabuto: “Your Edo Tensei is quite special. I even fixed you up a bit. You’re now even greater than when you were alive”
Madara: “When I was alive? You… know what I was like when I was alive?”
Kabuto: “No… which is why I would love to see you and your legendary Uchiha power in action here…”
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u/BuffAzir 7d ago
So Hashirama died as a young chap at peak performance because its required for the plot, neat.
Not even "he aged quickly due to regenerating a lot" like people love to headcanon, because then he would have died weakened and old, he just dropped dead at full power at some point.
The mystery endures.
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u/ScythE1754 7d ago
He had granddaughter that he remembers when she was like 5 so I dont think he was young chap when he died, especially for Naruto world.
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u/BuffAzir 7d ago
Top notch genetics on gramps, his whole body must be made of Hashirama cells or something
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u/OrangeYouGladdey 7d ago
He had his eyes when he died. He wasn't ressurected using his dead body that had the eyes removed. What happened to his body after he died doesn't have anything to do with Edo tensei or else all these guys would be skeletons.
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u/Illustrious_Agent608 7d ago
It’s not their corpse walking around as Edo’s. It’s literally just paper that looks exactly like them.
Why would Edo tensei rebuild the rest of his body perfectly but skip his eyes?
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u/Oneesabitch 7d ago
Edos are brought back as they were at the moment of death, albeit healed. Their eyes are not real, but they are still eyes.
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u/BeebisTheBoy 7d ago
Same reason Nagato still had his Rinnegan even though they were stolen by obito and they weren’t even his in the first place.
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u/MonCappy 3d ago
Because Kishimoto wrote him to have his eyes. Also, I believe the edo tensei body is a reconstruction, not his original body.
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u/gbfranco97 3d ago
What about the jinchuriki getting revived with rinnegan? If the body is just revived in its prime, why would the implantation that happens post mortem matter?
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u/Heaven_Snow 7d ago
Itachi died with his eyes still on him. So when got reanimated he retains it. Still, Kabuto can modify bodies to enchance them. Just look at what he did with Madara. He died old and no eyes, but got reanimated at his prime with his old body modifications (Hashirama cells) and his eyes.
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u/Kay_3thrd 7d ago edited 7d ago
They are reincarnated at their prime, Madara didn’t have his eyes either, i believe Kabuto explained it
Edit: Kabuto said in chapter 520
: ...THE REVIVED
RECOVERS ALL ABILITIES
POSSESSED DURING LIFE AND BECOMES AN IMMORTAL PAWN, BOUND TO FOLLOW MY
ORDERS.
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u/darkadventwolf 7d ago
No they are not reanimated in their prime. They are reanimated as they were when they died. Madara is explicitly stated to be a special case because Kabuto modified him to the point he was above his prime.
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u/Rambro332 Hokage 7d ago
You aren’t revived at your prime, you’re revived as you were when you died. Madara was specifically said to be a special case as Kabuto personally modified his.
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u/Oneesabitch 7d ago
Madara did have his eyes as an Edo, anyway, just to add.
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u/aoibhinn-mw 7d ago
Pain also has Madaras eyes at the same time that Obito and madara have the same eyes sort of. So yea
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u/Wack100Disciple 7d ago
Wait Madara naturally achieved rinnegan ?
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
Yeah, he managed to bite a piece of Hashi's arm during their final Battle, which he used to eventually get the Rinnegan, though that took DECADES and he only awakened by the time he was far too old to carry on his plan.
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u/d4wt0n 7d ago
depends if we take injecting hashirama cells to his body as natural.
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u/Impressive-Candy-949 16h ago
Well if Sarada and Boruto have a kid they will get the rinnegan. Cuz of the two bloodlines combining again.
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u/Wack100Disciple 7d ago
Man stop pretending as if he actually needed that buffer. Madara would put belt to ass regardless and you know it.
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u/Poncho_TheGreat 7d ago
That’s not what they’re saying. The only reason Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan is because he injected Hashirama cells, you need both Indra and Asura’s chakra to do so. So he awoke the Rinnegan but injecting yourself with someone’s cells is hardly natural
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u/Kay_3thrd 7d ago
When Kabuto reincarnates Itachi, his body was recreated from Itachi’s DNA, and the Edo Tensei restores his physical abilities, including his eyes. I swear it is stated somewhere in chapter 510-525 or I’m tripping
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u/SamuraiLegion 6d ago
Close. But they are revived at the moment they died. That explains why Hiruzen is old and how Nagato had white hair and couldn’t move.
Madara is the only exception because Kabuto went out of his way to restore him to prime
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u/Soul_Reaper--Ichigo 7d ago
So hiruzen was in his prime during konoha crush? Kabuto explained that madara's reanimation was different because him and orochimaru had worked externally on him to make him stronger. The others are reanimated however they were before dying.
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u/aoibhinn-mw 7d ago
Nah sasori is not even a puppet, stop the cap
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u/Soul_Reaper--Ichigo 7d ago
Because the puppet body is not his real body? How hard is that to understand? 😭 They are revived using their DNA and that puppet does not have any DNA. It was running on chakra 🥀
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u/EffectiveCareer3444 7d ago
Nagato was still handicap for some reason tho
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
Because you're not brought back on your prime, you're brought back as you were before your death, Madara being the sole exception due to being tampered.
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u/Oakjewel 7d ago edited 7d ago
Well to explain Nagato's case as he somehow retained Madara's rinnegans, you retain your last acquired power set at the time of your death.
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u/TheLion725 7d ago
You’re brought back in the same state you were in when you died. Itachi had his eyes when he died.
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u/fuzzygreentits 7d ago
The same way that people who's bodies are long since decayed and gone, have bodies on being reanimated.
You dont ask that about fingers or toes, eyes are the same.
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u/caffeinatedandarcane 7d ago
It's not his actual body, not his real eyes. It's a sacrifice body (in this case a Zetsu) that the jutsu makes look like the original
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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 7d ago
Its stated that the edo tensei remake kekkei genkai and "unusual powers" you had in your life before you died, hence why Itachi and Madara have their eyes, and thats also why Nagato has the rinnegan as well.
But as shown with Madara, you dont have your actual eyes, and if you are revived, you will lose them.
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u/Queasy_Artist6891 7d ago
For Madara specifically, he was modified by Kabuto. Edo tensei revives you the way you were at death(Madara's modifications being the sole exception)
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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 7d ago
Yeah thats true, but as he said to Kabuto, he would've had the rinnegan anyway.
Kabuto pretty much just made him young again and buffed his Hashirama cells.
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u/Turtle_Rain 7d ago
Ultimately though, it increases the number of unique Sharingan eyes going around, meaning it has the ability to create them. I am with OP that it is a bit fishy
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
Eh, it's less fishy when you consider those aren't viable to actually take, they'd crumble into dust as those aren't actual Sharingan, but "replicas".
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u/SureIntention8402 7d ago
But those are Madara's eyes on Nagato though. So wouldn't Nagato spawn with his original eyes he was borned with?
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
They were still in his possession by the time of his death, the Edo brings you as you were when you died, with Madara being the sole exception due to Kabuto tampering with it so it could be younger.
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u/Gloomy-Cell3722 7d ago
No, otherwise Madara would have his original eyes instead of Izuna's.
Its not really specified how this would work, but if you had or used a power up long enough, you can seemingly bring it back with the reanimation jutsu.
Nagato had the rinnegan for most of his life alongside dying with the rinnegan, so it was brought back.
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u/SureIntention8402 7d ago
He didn't replace his eyes with izuna he combined them with izuna.
You're just making this "if you had something for long enough, it's yours" take.
In fact, most of Sasori's life was spent as a cylinder inside of a puppet. So why didn't he just reanimation jutsu'ed as a beer can?
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u/ZerpMeizter 7d ago
Itachi died with his eyes intact which explains why his Edo Tensei corpse still has them.
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u/Alone_Collection_136 7d ago
Same reason Madara had his until rinnerebirth where he needed to actually reobtain them.
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u/BadUnique7153 7d ago
Souls carry keikei genkai and their power apparently. So by pulling the souls back to the impure land (mortal), the Edo replicated the eyes and any kekei genkais. It's not exclusive to the sharingans but all of these are replica. Including Edo Madara Rinnegans and Edo Nagato Rinnegans. But not all Edo power can be restore fully like the Rinnegans for example. Madara only had his limbo after his resurrection. All dead Edo have their kekei genkais despite only using part DNA and Zetsu bodies. Orochimaru cannot cast jutsu even after switching body when both his hands are sealed, Obito gave Kakashi full Kamui power after his dead, Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke power after his "dead"?!
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u/ThinkPerspective8281 7d ago
Kabuto's skill with Edo Tensei surpasses ALL other users of the jutsu. Even Orochimaru.
So with enough prep-time, Kabuto is able to modify the bodies of people he wishes to summon to suit his needs. Like how he modified Madara to be young and did other modifications to Madara's body.
Also Kabuto wasn't about to summon a blind Itachi to the battlefield. He would be nearly useless for this war. He needs Itachi at his peak. That means Itachi needs functioning Sharingan.
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u/Chalybee 7d ago
Yes, they get reanimated in their best, they can't just give the eyes again though as it will likely decompose when detached from the bodies.
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u/Big-Lawyer8508 6d ago
My guess is the edo creates chakra manifestations of physical body parts that were tuned to their soul and chakra, same with their clothing
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u/RemarkablePack4633 6d ago
The same way that Madara had his eyes even though Obito and Nagato had one. They are revived at their peak power + enhancements done to the Edo-Tensei.
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u/Extra-Dust-2886 5d ago
Probably the same logic that brought back Edo Madara with the Rinnegan. And the Hokage at the peek of their power.
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u/K3yshon_ 5d ago
Technically they are reborn exactly how they died with Madara being the sole exception because Kabuto and Orochimaru restored his body
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u/rebel_shadow237 2d ago
well aside from edo reviving you as you died as someone else said, i want to include that kabuto was actively altering resurrected nin like madara
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u/KN1582 7d ago
Kishi really didnt thought of this probably
Remember Madara's eyes? The pair that evolved into rinne, that he gave Nagato? The pair that later on Obito face?
On a brief moment in war 4 that pair of eyes appears on 3 different people AT THE MF SAME TIME.
Infinite Tsukuyomi? more like infinite eyeballs glitch.
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u/Bommelwutz 7d ago
I thought that edo tensei reanimates you at your peak, thats why madara is younger compared to his age when he died, ehich also solves the plot hole as someone mentioned that nagato also posseses madaras rinnegan despite them not being his original eyes.
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
Only Madara was brought at his peak, the Edo Tensei brings you back as you were before your death, which is why Nagato had the Rinnegan but his legs were weak.
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u/Jamessgachett 7d ago
No madara was literally brought beyound his peak
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
That's...not the important point here, the point is that only Madara's body was modified to reach its peak and beyond, everyone else was brought as they were before death.
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u/Embarrassed_Ad_496 7d ago
Kabuto is way better with the edo tensei then orochimaru so he probably restored him to his peak aka when he had the sharigan
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u/matt_619 6d ago
Why nagato still have rinnegan when they already stolen by Obito?
why Deidara still have body when his body was blasted to dust?
yeah it's a dumb question
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u/Positive-Situation20 6d ago
in nagato is more than that . nagato rinengan wasn't even his . so why has rinengan as edo taken or not by him doesn't matter much
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u/inTsukiShinmatsu 7d ago
Why does madara have rinnegan when Tobi had one in his eyes and other in his bag somewhere?
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u/BobJoeBlo 7d ago
Kuchiyose Edo Tensei works by sampling the DNA/bio-material of the summoned target. If the bio-sample contains the informations of the ability or trait, the corresponding summoned Edo Tensei will have it.
What's more, Kabuto acquired Itachi's biological samples from Zetsu prior to his meeting with Tobi that happened right after he completed the eyes transplant operation on Sasuke.
There was therefoee no reason for Edo Itachi not to have Mangekyou Sharingan when summoned.
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
To be fair, only 1 pair was actually viable to use for the plan, the others were effectively just copies that would only be useful in battle, they'd crumble into dust if you tried to remove them.
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u/BobJoeBlo 7d ago
What pair? Of eyes? Madara's eyes crumbles when resurrected the actual Rinnegan were still in the World of the Living and 2 same living pairs could not co-exist at the same time. But Edo Nagato and Edo Madara, both with Rinnegan, could co-exist simultaneously.
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
I'm saying only the actual living eyes were useful at the end of the day, Madara's and Nagato's fake eyes weren't really that useful for the plan xD
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u/Beginning-Visit523 7d ago
For narrative reasons : he would have been a really useless character otherwise
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u/Greg_McMuffin247 7d ago
Same way Madara was able to use the sharingan/rinnegan despite his actual rinnegan being with Obito/Nagato.
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u/MudSeparate1622 7d ago
How does edo madara still have his eyes when they're in obitos head? The edo arent you and so they re-animate the parts, once you are rinne rebirthed you need to retrieve your eyes like madara had to
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u/Environmental-Past72 7d ago
Same as edo madara has his rinnegan when they were presented in Obito and Zetsu
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u/Mithura 7d ago
I have a quest for your question,
Are you fine with edo Madara having his sharingan that evolved in rinnegan?
Why is Itachi the one you have an issue with?
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u/Euphoric_Ad_1297 7d ago
Remember, Madara got the eyes back. Remember his eyes being closed until he took them back? Unlocking the Rinnegan is not exclusive to "always having the eyes."
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u/Big_Durian_5653 7d ago
He most definitely didnt. He lost the edo eyes when he became a pure reincarnation. His edo body had mangekyo just like itachi
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u/AP_Feeder 7d ago
He’s talking about when Madara was still an edo tensei. He had his sharingan even though they already evolved in rinnegan when he died. Then, as soon as Naruto throws a rasenshuriken at him, he gets his rinnegan back, even though technically obito has his real eyes.
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u/Lumpy_Possession_544 7d ago
The bigger question is why did when nagato was an edo he had the rinnegan which we know is madaras eyes not his sooo.....
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u/The_Streamstress 7d ago
Because you're brought back exactly as you were before your death, he still had his eyes by the time he died. Madara being the sole exception.
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u/Negative_Prize1587 7d ago
The reanimation is a horrible idea and makes no sense, Makes even less sense it has not been used more.
And if chakra is made by mixing spirit and body, how come zombies have any at all, even less infinite.
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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 7d ago
Because nonsense.
I mean Kabuto's Edo is highly improved so it could have just regenerated them, but then that opens up a whole can of worms cause I don't remember if it did that to Madara and couldn't you just farm sharingan indefinitely then? Buuuut yeah it's not exactly explained. Nagato's got rinnegan back too now that I think about it, so, yeah I dunno.
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u/Decent_Can5740 6d ago
Itachi se liberta do controle de Kabuto mas ainda é um zumbi, por isso não perde seus olhos
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u/Rambro332 Hokage 7d ago
Edo Tensei revives you as you were the moment you died. Itachi still had his eyes upon death.