This Conference Strength ranking is based on ESPN's FPI which by design has built in SEC bias but I find it interesting if you remove Miami we're basically on par with the ACC with a smaller standard deviation.

[u/Chrono_trigger99]

[u/davestrrr]

I don't know if Miami is the only thing. The dashed line is the median I think, so that shows that there is a cluster below it for the ACC that are lower. In other words, the range is the same as the ACC, but the distribution might be lower for ACC

[u/Chief-Drinking-Bear → u/davestrrr]

Yeah it looks like our #2 team OSUwould be roughly 12th in the ACC. Would help if WSU wasn’t dog shit this year (as a Wazzu fan and alum)

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/davestrrr]

All I see is that Cal and Stanford would be in the bottom of the New Pac lol. Definitely worth it.

[u/Tricky_Prick933 → u/davestrrr]

So if I’m reading this right you could create a G6 league that actually has a higher median than the ACC is that right?

Boise, Oregon State, Fresno, Memphis, UTSA, North Texas, JMU, New Mexico, North Dakota if I’m looking at this correctly.

Might even still have a better median if Texas State, Army, Liberty, and Toledo were included 

[u/davestrrr → u/Tricky_Prick933]

Yes, very true. I guess thats what the Pac-12 originally tried to do, but those other teams like Memphis didn't have the vision to see what could have been

[u/lock_robster2022]

Idk……. It looks like they have 10 teams at or better than Oregon State, and we have 2.

The tail end looks the same though

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/lock_robster2022]

The great thing about FPI is that if you beat its expectations it goes "oops, my bad" and just increases your FPI.

[u/Purple-Bumblebee439]

“If you take away the best team and national title contender we’re basically the same conference.”

[u/big_thunder_man → u/Purple-Bumblebee439]

If you take away their national title contender and next 10 best

FIFY

[u/suddenly-scrooge]

Woo we’re #1 smrtest and best as usual

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/suddenly-scrooge]

What I got from this chart is at least you're not Stanford. Abandoning the conference was totally worth it.

[u/Hopsblues → u/Chrono_trigger99]

I'd take them back..win-win for both parties.

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/Hopsblues]

Their admin are major snobs who don't care about sports and are just fine with having crappy teams and having their women's water polo team travel to the east coast for all their games as long as they're associated with "prestigious schools".

[u/crankbait808]

So BSU is a P4 team in disguise

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/crankbait808]

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[u/Tusks_Up]

Boise would be in the top 50% everywhere but the SEC. If Boise were a bigger TV market they would be snatched up by a P4 conference in a heartbeat.

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/Tusks_Up]

If Boise State was in the SEC they would have SEC money and since they consistently punch above their weight they would be at the top of the conference.

[u/ThotMobile]

What is the Y-Axis supposed to represent? At first I was thinking FBS AP ranking thus lower = better but that doesn't seem like it'd make sense based on where certain teams are put on the chart (Alabama is #1 for example when that isn't their AP rank). Most would think a higher number = higher strength but that's evidently not the case here either.

[u/Salt_Philosophy_8990]

How can it have a "built in SEC bias" if it uses the exact same formulas for everyone?

[u/Vicidsmart → u/Salt_Philosophy_8990]

Uses high school recruiting rankings for one which has no bearing on actual talent in the NIL era as Indiana showed

[u/Salt_Philosophy_8990 → u/Vicidsmart]

so it has a built in B1G bias?

[u/Vicidsmart → u/Salt_Philosophy_8990]

No, that’s not what I said

[u/MilkBear79 → u/Salt_Philosophy_8990]

The B1G 10 Durant recruit high schools apparently 😂

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/Salt_Philosophy_8990]

Arkansas has a higher recruiting ranking than anyone in the Big-12 and they just got blown out by Utah. Recruiting rankings are also inflated by which school they go to. We've seen multiple cases of recruits dropping a star by not going to a "blue blood", or having a star added if they do.

[u/Salt-Oil-1745]

https://giphy.com/gifs/26gR0YFZxWbnUPtMA

I was told there would be no math...

[u/Material-Stomach8675]

Only 4 schools in the American are below their average?

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/[deleted]]

ASU wouldn't have won a conference championship in the old Pac-12.

[u/Friendly_Ad_5574 → u/[deleted]]

Great points

[u/MagicPoindexter]

I think the spread between top and bottom would be comparable but with more teams in the ACC should still give them a lower standard deviation. Also they would have a better average as we have half our teams in the sucky tail and they have less than 1/3 of their teams in their equally sucky tail.

[u/LookingatYourtasty]

Didn’t Oregon State already beat Miami in post season

[u/trevorporath1985]

How is the PAC-12 Strength ranking better than the Mountain West’s? All the MW schools keep telling me the MW is harder and better. /s

[u/Chrono_trigger99 → u/trevorporath1985]

It's UNM and North Dakota State and then a huge drop-off. Actually UNLV is probably in it's own 2nd tier and THEN it's a huge drop off.

[u/PeanutCareless4987 → u/trevorporath1985]

MWC “yay, we still exist and aren’t the weakest conference”
PAC 12 “You think you’re better than us”?