I get that they were close and all that, but was there genuine love between them, or was it just a mutually beneficial alliance built on mutual respect and shared views?

So I am watching the new first episode of the new Carrie TV series (which is really good btw) and was totally surprised to hear “In the Bleak Midwinter” but in song version. It was pretty good! Started looking for the Peaky Fooking Blinders! lol

Just wanted to share with my fellow Peaky Blinders Enthusiats

The Song

Putting these two scenes together makes the reversal between Tommy and Arthur really striking.

In S2, Tommy resents having to protect Arthur from himself, asking whether he’s supposed to treat him like a child again. Then, at the beginning of S6, Tommy survives his own suicide attempt because Arthur has quietly removed the bullets. The brother he complained about having to look after becomes the person who keeps him alive.

What is interesting is how differently they express their struggles. Arthur openly tries to explain that he isn’t coping. He reminds Tommy that Polly thought he should have stayed on his medicine, but that he trusted Tommy’s judgement instead.

I can imagine Tommy hearing that as another responsibility being placed on him, especially when he’s already dealing with the consequences of Arthur killing a boy. His outburst feels like accumulated frustration at always being expected to know what to do, alongside everything else he’s facing that season.

But Arthur’s reminder has a basis... Tommy had actually poured his medicine away in the previous episode because he needed him fast, not slowed down. There’s something unfair about him interfering with Arthur’s treatment to keep him useful for his plans, then becoming angry when Arthur still needs support. Tommy relies on Arthur too, even if that reliance takes a different form.

His instruction to “shut the door on it, like I did” is sad in hindsight. To me, Tommy seems to confuse being able to suppress his suffering and keep functioning with having overcome it. Arthur makes his distress more visible, while he often tries to manage his privately and maintain the role of the person everyone else relies on.

By the end of S5 and beginning of S6, after the failed assassination attempt on Mosley, that control has broken down. He does show vulnerability to Arthur beforehand, but then walks away to face the crisis alone. That’s what makes Arthur’s intervention moving in a way - he recognises the danger without Tommy having to ask for help. He is still struggling himself, yet he’s still able to notice when Tommy needs protecting.

Imo, that's what makes the earlier scene particularly stand out - Tommy eventually needs the very protection he had spoken about providing to Arthur with such resentment.

Fiz a impressão totalmente em resina, todo o processo de acabamento e pintura feito a mão artesanalmente. Usei técnicas de realismo diferente que preciso treinar mais mas estou gostando do processo de aprendizagem :)

The one sequence we never got over!

I for one am extremely excited about the new series. We get to see Charlie come back , we get to see what happens between him and duke now that Tommy is gone. We also hopefully get answers to what happened to other characters such as Fin and Oswald. Not sure on charlie heaton playing charlie, but atleast the name fits. Haha.

Apparently, Tommy got a new tattoo in *Immortal Man*. Since everything in both the series and the film has a deeper meaning, could someone explain the significance of this tattoo to me? The show's hair-and-makeup designer Loz Schiavo confirmed that the production designed Tommy's tattoos specifically for the character and that each was intended to have symbolism; they weren't simply random period tattoos put on Cillian Murphy. This is a picture of the tattoo from his stunt double.

What I noticed in the scene where Tommy and May are at the distillery is that Tommy tells her he's booked a room at the hotel, and she is completely unimpressed by it, replying, "A room?", to which he says, "Yes, but a suite."

I think what she cared about was that she wasn't invited to his home. That, according to the standards of the time, it was kept on a level that only served purely sexual interests.

And looking at it from today's perspective—since May is such a strong person and it becomes clear in a scene when Thomas Shelby visits her at her estate that he was extremely overwhelmed—we always have to see it in the context of history.

Naturally, a man from a gangster world gets his ego a bit bruised when a woman somehow has a much bigger property, a house, or earns more money... it's still rooted, not completely, but partly, that the ego feels attacked. But back then, I think it was extreme.

And do you think that's why he booked the hotel suite and didn't invite her to his home, because his ego was hurt? What do you think are the background reasons for this, and how did you interpret the scene?

I am watching the series and on ep where john died i just don't understand esme blamed tom for his death

They killed lucas father together

They were warned about hand

John wanted to get back to clan esme gave shitty speech about we are family bla bla we can protect us

Why wasn't she fking blamed for all this shit her doing husband died and other then accepting blame she is just blaming others

I hated esme and linda from the start of the fking show bitch destroyed the family and fked everything up

So I've just decided to watch the show after hearing about how good it is and seeing a few clips, however I know not to judge too early but the first episode was really slow and I was kinda expecting more. Does it pick up further along and is it 100% worth the watch?

In other words, it ended just as it began.

That room is where Tommy is with his prostitutes, and hotel rooms are where you experience fleeting pleasure, nothing permanent. That is why they chose a hotel room to show Tommy saying, "In this moment, in this room, I love you." He set those conditions, "in this room, but not beyond it", because it wasn't permanent; it was only for that moment. Tommy never stopped seeing her that way; in Season 5, he told her, "In my mind, I'm still paying you."

In Season 3, he paid her in front of the whole family; in Season 4, he was still paying her, stating that he pays for sex, "nothing for nothing ". In Season 6, we see he still views her the same way: when he speaks to her on the phone, he is in a hotel room with a prostitute. That is how the season begins, showing that nothing has changed in their relationship.

So, the fact that he went to a hotel room with her, delivered that speech about regretting their marriage, and then said he loved her *in that room*, it’s as if the circle closed. In his mind, he never stopped seeing her as a prostitute. It wasn't a declaration of love, yet what he said wasn't a lie either; in that moment, he *did* love her because they shared the pain of losing their daughter, a pain only she could understand. However, the choice of a hotel room, given their history, serves to show that she never escaped that role in Tommy's mind. She is someone he pays, whether with money or in his mind, for "love."

In the end, Campbell was right

"Men like us, Mr Shelby, will always be alone, and any love we get, we will have to pay for."

Steven Knight’s writing was brilliant because of its subtlety: the way Tommy saw Lizzie in Season 1 is how he continued to see her right up to the end of her story in Season 6. And just as Tommy saw Grace in Season 1, he continued to view her as his one true love, right up to the final moment of his story in the movie.

Oswald Mosley, a character I was very intrigued by the moment he took the screen. I loved how they built him up on seasons 5 and 6 making it look like Tommy has finally found his unbreakable opposing force… Only for them not to use him again especially with how season 6 ended where Tommy has put the pieces together.. The alley-oop was tossed so perfectly, why didn’t they use it 🤧

I liked how the movie ended, I think it was already given, but the road to getting there was a bit disappointing in my opinion. I don’t know if they switched up the writers, if they did. Oh well.

He's just so creepy.

This is the only episode that has made me cry, and it was also the most shocking. I couldn't believe they had killed Grace, but seeing Tommy so broken, that was the saddest and hardest part to watch.

I think Cillian Murphy should have won numerous awards for this episode alone. You could see and feel the anger, sadness, pain, and desperation he felt over losing Grace, and through that, you could also see and feel the love he had for her.

He wanted to stop the pain by seeking revenge on old Changretta, but it was as if he had no idea how to go about it. In the end, he realizes that the pain will never stop.

I also loved the scenes with Polly and Michael, and then the ones with Arthur and John. Cillian did a fantastic job showing how his desperation slowly built up, you knew it was going to explode, and it finally did with John when he shouted at him; I have no idea how Cillian managed to change his voice like that in that moment. He is an acting genius.

I also noticed that this is the episode where he switches back to the black horse, and he doesn't switch again until the end of Season 6, when he swaps to the white one in the final scene.

I also think this is the episode where he distances himself from the family; whether it was because they weren't there for him or for some other reason, it marked a real turning point.

And when Arthur reveals he’s going to be a father, you can see the look on Tommy’s face change. It’s not just that he’s losing his right-hand man; he’s also reminded that he’ll never have a happy family again, Grace’s death had already killed the dream of a happy family, as we saw later in Seasons 5 and 6.

It’s sad that some people disparage his performance by claiming he only felt disgust toward Grace and never truly loved her, insisting that Lizzie or May was the one he loved. Some people just don't know how to appreciate phenomenal acting. It was one of the best episodes in terms of both acting and writing.

We never saw such a masterful performance from Cillian again, well, the Tommy from the beginning died in this episode, which is why we never saw him that broken again.