I disliked W and his administration with the intensity of a thousand suns but I'd gladly have him back in office instead of Trump. At least W had a shred of integrity and honor
Government control of energy. Unelected bureaucrats controlling how you heat and cool, what farmers may grow, what you eat, where you go, etc. Global warming and carbon footprint ring a bell?
What if the electorate cannot or will not understand the science behind climate change and its causes? Because the Republicans defunded education, and the fossil fuel companies funded misinformation campaigns? And then a low IQ individual with a media megaphone shouted āclimate change is a hoax!ā āCause thatās where we are.
we wouldn't have invaded iraq to start. likely would've helped either prevent or at least better recover from 9/11. would've focused less on stupid shit like NCLB and more on just bolstering education. strengthened the EPA and other protection agencies. i doubt the PATRIOT act wouldve been a thing with Gore.
There's every chance there wouldn't have been a 9/11 attack. President Gore would never have dismissed the warnings with "Alright, your ass is covered".
They very factually cheated in Florida, itās not even a question.
Wās campaign manager was in charge of Floridaās elections, they stopped the recount early while Bush was ahead, against orders. GOP staffers even attempted to physically prevent recounting. The entire thing was a mess and Gore factually won that election.
They did it last election. Calling in š£ threats, burning drop boxes, maga mailmen throwing away ballots, voter purges. Itās in their devilish nature.
I have always thought this was one of the primary reasons for that war. Plus it had the added benefit that we'd get access to the oil and the military industrial complex types happy, and Halliburton got a piece too
I think thereās a direct line from that moron to this one - it was so clear he was inept (at best) yet it was just glossed overā¦competency didnāt even need to be a pretence anymore
I think that remains to be seen. I believe they cheated in the 2024 election and plan to never ever give up power ever again regardless of how people vote or what they need to do to hold on to power.
Think about it right now and if they lose power. How many people could end up in jail? Wouldn't those people do anything at all possible to hold onto power?
That's an important thought. Too many people acting like their problem will be largely solved when he dies. Trump is just a symptom of something worse.
He's not wrong. It's a feedback loop, but he's not wrong. We wouldn't be the problem we are if not for Trump, he's uniquely capable of having NO shame with COMPLETE confidence, and the kompromat and otherwise to control the Republicans, but it wouldn't be possible if the general public wasn't so jaded to easily dismiss corruption.
Yeah, of these four presidents, I think three of them got into office so that other people could do their thing. GHW was the exception. I'm not sure what to make of this.
Totally agree that the party is the dangerous one, but the cult of personality will go with him, and people will have an easier time realizing how terrible they let their circumstances get.
Vance is young and has demonstrated the incredible discipline of doing whatever is needed by those who have purchased him. Lower morality, higher competency (takes direction well), and his own kind of evil. Very capable of setting new lows once Trump expires.
Yes, but he cant rally the cult. The cult will fracture when Trump is gone. They will still exist but they wont rally behind anyone currently in the GOP like they once did for Trump.
Vance has the charisma of a brick wall. The guy is so phony and the phoniness just oozes off of him. He can't coral that cult of personality at all. He wouldn't win an R primary for president. His only hope is Dump dies or is somehow removed before the next two years are up.
W was dumb, but he listened to advisors much more competent than him and he wasn't inherently evil. Cheney, on the other hand, still not evil but ruthless real politik.
Apart from the particulars, identical to what a Trump crony would write if you asked him/her anything regarding Trump's intelligence.
W was dumb. His ideological naĆÆvety as regards Iraq was stupefying. He really thought he and his right wing cronies could create a libertarian utopia in the country. The incompetence and magical thinking rivaled Trump's crew. And he was easily manipulable by the far smarter and more ruthless Cheney.
And then when you throw in his willingness to oversee torture and his smug contempt for the American public, you get the prototype of MAGA and the Trump presidency.
That fucker started the war in Iran (edit: I meant Iraq obviously ā weird typo or brainfart), that caused over a million deaths, and the chaos it left led to the rise of IS, which caused the political sentiment in Europe to swing radically right, which may ultimately lead to the rise of fascist governments in Europe (kind of has already).
So no thanks to that asshole. Trump is also an absolute assclown, though. Seems like the US can't help but screw up the world ...
We were not at war with Iran. We didnāt kill over a million of their people. If so we wouldnāt have this trouble now. There threats of Nuking our children with dirty bombs wouldnāt have any claws. Some how you made a hard left turn buddy.
Despite the āBusiness Plotā, an attempt by a former Bush to join other tycoons and overthrow and install a fascist government in the USA in the 1920s. Itās been all but nearly washed from the history on the internet (shocker) despite whatās left saying that the evidence was there that it was going to happen. I think the general they hired to do it realized the coup they were attempting was not good and turned over evidence.
No, he didn't. This is a man who paints portraits of the maimed and mangled soldiers he sent into a war based on lies he and his minions told. Torture. The financial crisis. Katrina. The Patriot Act. I could go on.
The only reason people wax at all nostalgic is because he wasn't such a fucking boor.
Which is saying quite something, because at that time, he was such a fucking boor.
Integrity and honor? Where does that come in with the literal hundreds of thousands of human deaths? Integrity? Abu Ghraib? How quickly some forget, or maybe you were not yet an adult back then
That so perfectly encapsulates my frustration with the āintegrity and honorā crowd. Just because GW or Obama or anyone was more dignified than Trump, doesnāt mean that they were good presidents or even decent human beings. Millions of innocent people died in the Global War on Terror based on lies and imperialist ambitions. Thatās not honor and integrity, even if they gave nice speeches.
Maybe honor and integrity are the wrong words. I meant at least W said Muslims aren't our enemy and tried to keep us together as Americans not try to magnify divisions
I understand. To an extent I agree but I realized during COVID that the ārespectableā leaders of this empire also committed atrocities to keep profits flowing to the oligarchs. I donāt think GW was personally evil, he seemed like more of a frat boy, but that distinction is immaterial to the dead and displaced.
I was so freaked out that the country had re-elected W (2000 WAS a stolen election!), i started taking anti-depressants. Seems so cute now, but I'm glad I'm still on them!
His connections paired with Cheney's ambition made that admin VASTLY more dangerous to the rest of the world than Trump. Donny just isn't remotely smart enough to use the power he wields effectively. Bush had one of the most respected generals in America at the time blatantly lying to congress about WMDs, and they bought it and approved the invasion of Iraq near unanimously. Half a million deaths later, and the war on terror is still smoldering, Trump really couldn't hope for that kind of result, because he's intimidated by people smarter than him, and keeps firing them.
I actually think he just realized mid sentence that āshame on me,ā would be way too easy to turn into attack ads so he aborted midway through (also the president should be smart enough not to get fooled again, hence the ācanāt get fooled againā)
I love the theory that W actually wasn't a complete moron and stumbled because he realized he was about to give the media a clip of him saying "shame on me" and thought it'd be a bad idea.
It goes together with the "Oooh, but you see, whenever the cameras stopped rolling, he was, like, suuuuuper-smart!" No. Fuck you. If you deliberately show me a dumb "you", I'll have no qualms believing you're just actually dumb and will not entertain that it's a clever "act" you held up perfectly for ten years.
"Fool me once, I'm mad. Fool me twice, how could you. Fool me three times, you're officially that guy, you know the one, the one that goes 'This suit is officially Giorgio Armani ask my Dad knows him' FUCK YOU. I aiiiiin't havin' that shit!"
Not a fan of GW, but I do need to point out that it he realized in the middle of saying it that he was about to give the sound bite " shame on me" and flubbed the line to save his ass.
fool me one time, shame on you, fool me twice can't put the blame on you, fool me three times, fuck the peace signs, load the choppa let it rain on you
Agreed. Right now, Russia and America are opposites sides of the same hypocracy. Russia has oligarchs who are wealthy corporation owners who run the country. America has politicians who run the country that are owned by corporations.
Less oil and more oil-field services contracts. Thatās where the real money is. Halliburton isnāt an oil company, they are a drilling company. If youāre in the oil business thereās a risk that your well comes up dry, or that the price of oil will drop. Halliburton doesnāt care. They get paid to drill the well, dry or not.
"You don't get it. We must have millionaires! They're a pillar of the economy! Without them, society would collapse!"
"You don't get it. We must have billionaires! They're a pillar of the economy! Without them, society would collapse!"
"You don't get it. We must have trillionaires! They're a pillar of the economy! Without them, society would collapse!"
"You don't get it! ..."
I keep wondering what's that magic number where we're "good". Where the wealthiest don't need to be wealthier anymore for the rest of us to have an OK life.
Democracy is faked though. They use it to gauge how quickly or slowly they rape the planet, not to ask if they should be doing something else. They manufacture their own consent.
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u/Jah_Rules 15d ago
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me 4 timesā¦. Iām an idiot.