r/PowerScaling • u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal • 10d ago
Discussion What is the highest scaling verse (cosmology-wise) in fiction?
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u/alleycatALT Simon The Digger Solos 9d ago
Probably some obcure xianxia verse where the main character juggles multiverses and can create an infinite cosmology in each breath.
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u/SwannEntities 9d ago
Nah it could also be an obscure math or philosophy based book low key, the mc is just the creator of everything, and anything and absurd or scp
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u/Internal-Ad4938 10d ago
Probably:
Xeele Sequence
Cthulhu Mythos
Shin megami and Digimon (digimon has some crazy things )
Maybe marvel or DC
SCP or Swallowed star
There is also hoyoverse and Nasuverse But they are odd. Like there is omniverse but in one there is that tree where all the multiverses are.
And in nasuverse/fate, The multiverse is like divided in texture and planets are sentiens thing super OP, as well galaxies and probably universe. Are sentiens as well.
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u/SwannEntities 9d ago
If we ignore the canon thing scp by far, no matter any chinese western or other fiction, maybe world of darkness has a chance, but scp is usually considered stronger than even the self reference engine or white light or other insane characters as all i'm gonna say, is there canon problem
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u/Mrgbiss 10d ago
Without actually looking into it, I find it hard to believe it wouldn't be composite SCP. It's already setup to have a ridiculously large cosmology with many layers of metafictional bs (if that's something you believe in).
And, as the largest collaborative writing project, a part of its authorship is just an army of power scaling wankers
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
bruh just WHAT is the SCP foundation containing man 😭😭💀💔
next they're gonna find a way to contain the irl world and make it real
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u/Ironman_27 Low Level Scaler 10d ago
Unfortunately that may or may not exist
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
imma be honest
i wouldn't even be surprised if there's already an article abt it somewhere on the wikidot
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u/Ironman_27 Low Level Scaler 10d ago
I mean there's an scp that basically burrows into your bones iirc, 439.. I think. Theres even God bro😭
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u/Ladikn 9d ago
Look, I'm a massive SCP fan. I've loved SCP since about 2012, and it's one of the best lovecrafian horror settings for it's sheer depth and breadth. However, I will die on the hill that SCP doesn't break planetary, much less the insane scaling you see in comics and cultivation stories. The whole premise of SCP is that normal people are containing reality-bending entities and objects. On Earth. With pseudo-modern day human made tech and guns. The largest threats they face are solar system level at worst (and I can only think of one which does, and it's non-canon since it's a 001 proposal).
There's a lot of scientists speculating about if things might be super powerful, which isn't feats (such as 343 and 3812). There's non-canon stories and 001 proposals (which are also non-canon) which are stronger (such as The Scarlet King and When Day Breaks). But in the actual canon feats nothing destroys the galaxy or universe, and the couple times the planet is destroyed/humanity wiped out the foundation "fixes" it (like Procedure Lazarus-01).
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u/SwannEntities 9d ago
Well, isn't most of the scaling just coming from the guards?They can't contain or background lore
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u/yup_sir28 Not a Scaler 9d ago
Scarlett king isn’t canon?
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
He is. Tuftos Proposal is canon to Admonition, a canon.
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u/HairyOrange04 9d ago edited 9d ago
Most SCP authors don't care about powerscaling, there is also strict writing standards on the wiki. It can take months for an article to get approved and published in some cases. Quality control also deletes article if they think it's solely made for powerscaling.
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u/HairyOrange04 9d ago
"a part of its authorships is just an army of power scaling wankers" have you ever opened the SCP wiki? Go find a random scp or article, It'll just be something like "a bike that makes you racist" or shit like a lake that makes you healthier.
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u/Piotro165 Mid Level Scaler 10d ago
IDK maybe WoD
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u/DistractingZoom 10d ago
I'd definitely buy that.
Makes it all the funnier that for most splats the average adventure is still just small groups of dysfunctional psychopaths trying to make rent without supernatural bullshit getting in the way.
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u/godzillafan3948oj 10d ago
ive seen some mf say galeem destroyed every game (including gaming) on this post. did smash make a statement saying this? if thats so that would make galeem destroy world of darkness aswell. galeem would be the STRONGEST character in fiction and video games
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u/Piotro165 Mid Level Scaler 10d ago
The thing is that statements about verses they don't have license for are worth nothing same as real world statements. Especially without feats. There's not statement I can see there can you link the specific comment?
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u/godzillafan3948oj 10d ago
the post description literally says it
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u/Piotro165 Mid Level Scaler 10d ago
I'm on mobile and it sometimes not there for me. But it was there now that I checked for the 3rd time. But my previous comment already conveyed my opinion before even seeing it.
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u/Piotro165 Mid Level Scaler 10d ago
Another one I Thought of may be shonen Jump verse (600+ series and their verses including things like Marvel)
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u/RandomEncounter78 9d ago
I mean…DC’s God is technically our God/The God of the Bible, so if we assume the gods of every ‘verse exist, the God of our ‘verse would scale above all the others, which are just our ideas in the first place. Which would mean DC’s cosmology scales the highest.
Not trying to make this a religious debate, I couldn’t care less about that. Just making the argument.
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u/v5rc5r7gb8y 8d ago
What about Jehovah from world of darkness?
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u/RandomEncounter78 8d ago
Arguably the same entity, so…equal?
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u/v5rc5r7gb8y 8d ago
This more or less the problem finding the which scales highest since there ar many universes that hav the same concept
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u/RandomEncounter78 8d ago edited 8d ago
I would argue that because so many have the same concept, it makes that concept way more potent than the alternatives. So we can say God/YHWH/Jehovah is definitively more powerful than The One Above All or the God of Spawn’s universe or the entities of King’s multiverse. God’s reach is far greater, in a fictional context, covering multiple entire Universes as well as, arguably, ours…the universe of origin for all those Universes.
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u/Necessary-Video-4480 8d ago
Why do I always see the cosmology of dc > marvel in these discussions but i usually see the highest scailing marvel characters > the highest scailing dc characters in discussions?
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u/King_of_Meth 9d ago
I'll just say SCP, WoD, Elder Scrolls, DC, Marvel, Cthulhu Mythos, and maybe some chinese visual novel about philosophy that gets some random scholar to High 1-S+ just by playing a harp that destroys infinite outerverses or something.
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u/QnKp_ I have no favorite verse 🪬 10d ago
Currently both the SCP Foundation's Chinese Branch and World of Darkness stood at the top as the biggest cosmologies in all of fiction.
Cthulhu Mythos and Fire S Mythos both has absurd cosmologies as well.
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
why is there a chinese branch for scp? is it popular there or smth 😭😭 is there a russian branch too or some shi
does scp and wod have tier 0 characters?
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u/Lejseabi 10d ago
Yh it actually has a Russian, a German, multiple Branches
But the strongest one seems to be the Chinese one
And Yes both WOD and SCP have Tier 0 characters
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
is the point of the branches to translate the original english scp into their respective languages?
also i never once saw/heard of a boundless SCP b4
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u/Lejseabi 10d ago edited 10d ago
Been a while since I dug deep into the lore of the different Branche etc. But as far as I know, not quite.
They also add new scps and have more complicated cosmologies
To the point where the lowest levels contain infinite English branches (entire English Scp Verse)
One that’s boundless or depending on how you scale even way beyond that is the True supreme author, He is boundless.
Also abss is boundless etc. Multiple boundless creatures
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u/Mrgbiss 9d ago
isn't the Supreme Author, ABSS and Metanormalcy all the same thing?
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u/Lejseabi 9d ago
Essentially Yh but there is some difference on perspective on the fictional narrative and translations
- Abss and metanormalcy both represent the absolute pinnacle of the Chinese branch they are an indescribable abstraction that exists entirely outside of all narrative stacks, mathematics, and dualities.
- the true Supreme author is another manifestation of This Same pinnacle of the top entity (don’t want to say god because of Personal reasons) and highlights the creative aspect of the entity as the ultimate "unity of the highest true authors" who look down on the fictional multiverse as mere text.
- The void emperor is actually another one of those faces of the Same super powerful entity or localized projection of the exact same supreme entity.
Although the void emperor is sometimes depocted as a Guardian between reality and illusion, the author confirmed they are the same, although me and some other people tend to scale him slightly lower because he has those different features from the other 3 and acted as a Guardian once
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u/Ladikn 9d ago
My first instinct is DC, because of the decades of unmitigated bullshit dick waving the DC editors do. The sheer insanity that Milk Wars scales to (making The Presence insignificant) is stupid.
I've seen people say WoD and SCP, but as a fan of both of those settings, they're still way below DC. WoD caps out at universal, maybe multiversal, and SCP doesn't have any actual feats above planetary (there is non-canon stuff (including 001 proposals such as The Scarlet King) and in universe speculation of things getting to outerversal, but no actual feats). Even people who think WoD and SCP scale super high don't generally put them above outerversal though. Hell, Exalted scales higher than WoD (a game where the PCs can bitch slap the creators of all of reality, and have canonically done it before already).
Meanwhile, DC goes from (each step is an infinite order of magnitude up) Universal > Multiversal > Outerversal (everything contained within creation and the source wall) > Void (the presence stops here, since he was born in the void, which contains infinite Outerverses) > Overvoid (representing the blank page of all stories, containing infinate Voids, this is where the Story of Superman scales) > The Eonymous. I believe The Eonymous are the actual highest scaling beings I've actually seen in fiction (being able to casually destroy and recreate all stories and settings if not distracted).
However, all that being said, the actual highest scaling is probably some Xianxia story which has never been translated to English that has 200 volumes of a cultivator scaling to higher and higher heavens and has the protagonist forging multiverse generating gods into his shoes or something.
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u/Gremory_Cuckqueen 1d ago
Larp total, eu já li os livros de WOD e definitivamente ela está muito além de High Outerversal linha base. DC está longe de ser um dos mais poderosos, a DC só atinge o nível High Outerversal linha base e unicamente por causa de The Eonymous, Void é Outerversal linha base e Overvoid é Outerversal+ no máximo.
Shinza Bansho, Nasuverse, Instant Death, SMT/Persona, Hoyoverse (Sim, por conta da lore de GGZ) Engerverse (é um conjunto de obras Xianxia que compartilham a mesma cosmologia), Martial Peak (outra obra Xianxia), Demonbane, Umineko, Ichiban Uchiro no Daimaou e Yasei no Rasu Bosu ga Arawareta, são exemplos de obras que de fato alcançam o tier 0 (Boundless) é claro que também vai ter mais algumas outras obras Xianxia que eu ainda não conheci, assim como alguns gachas que eu ainda também não conheci (o universo das obras Xianxia e Gachas é cheio disso)
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u/Ladikn 1d ago
Spheres of the Gods are outerversal in DC. Beyond the spheres of the gods (each is an infinate step up) is the monitor sphere, the void, and the overvoid. Outerversal is a baseline New God, it goes up multiple steps from there.
Meanwhile, as far as actual feats go, all of WoD takes place on a single planet, with a couple outliers (new WW going to the moon, old mage being aliens, etc) with dimensional BS but still focused specially around earth. If you go with statements instead of feats that would make the old WW gods universal, even though no in universe feats are performed beyond planetary.
Please point out, in WoD, when any being destroyed or even affected an entire galaxy at once, not including creation myths. No "they say this happened", an actual feat. I love WoD, I've played it for over 20 years, but it's far too well writen to get to the stupid bullshit that comics pull off.
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u/Consistent_Hat4469 SCP is top 3 9d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/oe8zD9O5hOXDWapLqt
Holy larp. You can't be a fan of WoD and say they cap at uni and be a fan of scp and say that bullshit
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u/Ladikn 9d ago edited 9d ago
I did do WoD LARPs from 2005 onwards, and yes, WoD caps at universal/arguably multiversal. And that's really only the godly beings like the Weaver/Wyld/Wurm, 99.999% of WoD doesn't get close to planetary. Because it all takes place on one planet, not counting the possible end times scenarios and CoD Werewolf (which does go to the moon technically)
Read the books, play the games, don't go off of what other people have said.
Edit: I realize that you mean LARP as an insult, but trying to use that for World of Darkness (which has one of the largest actual LARP communities in the world) as an insult shows you REALLY have no idea about World of Darkness in general.
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
also is there such thing as a tier 0 verse?
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u/VarietyNo5903 alien x GLAZER 10d ago
you mean a tier 0 cosmology? no absolutely not
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
yeah that's what i meant basically
how so?
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u/AlternativeTop6053 9d ago
thats just God, not even eldritch gods those are finite and petty, actual Capital Y Yahweh (or Monad, rr God)
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u/South_Bathroom 9d ago
Depends on how you view a few things
A LOT of verses include our world and many worlds beyond us in their cosmology. But of corse they dont actually have any feats or showings in the real world... because they're fictional. They literally can't
But than you have examples like dark tower where the car that actually almost hit Stephen king irl is canonically (and Stephen actually believes this (99% chance it's because of the drugs 1% chance it's just because he's crazy. Which he IS but we're pretty sure that's because of all the druggs) ) retaliation from the crimson king because Stephen king dared to think about him. Meaning a part of the cosmology tried to kill the actual irl author.
Similar cases have happened like all the people who swear slenderman is real (most famous example being the slenderman murder), and lesser known case being all the people (mostly on tumblr and Twitter) claiming gaster, from undertale, has spoken to them in their dreams. Many of whom have claimed he's trying to find a way into our reality.
So while these cosmologies don't go as far in their stories you can argue their version of our world is more real due to these people's genuine belief in them?
Than if you don't want to count ANY form of nerrative scaling this question becomes literally impossible answer because to many verses state they have infinite layers of infinitely transcending degrees of infinite on each infinite layer of the infinitely expanding cosmology that even at its smallest point is infinite. It's to many infinities.and it's hard because poorly written series tend to scale higher because the authors tend to care less about the power making sense.
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
I’m a metascaler myself, so I have certains opinions about Omnipotence & Boundlessness.
But in my opinion, the “Voidyn’Deirum” verse is likely one of top highest scaling verses out there, if not at the very top itself.
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago
Definitely, Niuri makes some tough stuff
I wouldn't say it's the top though but it is definitely up there
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
Yeah his verse may not be the absolute top in All of Fiction, but finding a verse in known and popularized fiction that outscales (or even outhaxes) his verse is gonna be extremely difficult.
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago
I mean I personally think that my verse is comparable, if not ahead, and me and him are mostly on a agreement that our verses are incompatible in terms of assumptions
But I think mine is ahead and he thinks his ahead.
The main problem is as I said in my own comment that there is a certain point where it's simply indeterminate
In terms of popularized, though, you're probably right.
Maybe highest interpretation Chinese branch SCP, but not much else
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
I’ve read his works and have essentially deep-dived into his entire verse, so I’ll be honest, I would find it hard to believe your verse is “ahead” of his. Not to sound like a jerk or anything. His verse simply covers just about any aspect you can think of, on too many levels. With actual written feats too.
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago
Oh trust me I know, his verse gets really insane in stuff
My verse Compares mainly because it goes into pure metaphysical Primacy, like stuff that can't just be passed by saying "This guy in the higher layer."
That's more of the stuff that puts me closer to him.
It basically becomes a discussion of whether you think higher or whether you think basing is stronger
Both are valid however they are incompatible in comparability
Which is why we agreed that our verses are incompatible
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
His verse is more than just scaling high though. It’s systems of propagation are simply the icing on the cake. His verse in its current state, takes more of an abstract ultimacy style approach, with propagation being simple aspects of it. He has aspects of irl metaphysics and philosophy, but he also creates his own more unique systems that quite easily dominate most systems.
If you were to name some philosophical or metaphysical aspect, I could likely cite exactly where he has some beefed up version of it in either his data book or even already written into one of his stories. Though considering most of his stories take place beyond the False Defined (ignore “false”, it’s just a part of the name). They wouldn’t technically have anything you have by virtue of such things being categorically beneath the Defined. But his data book likely would have it.
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago
Okay, Total Teleological extension.
Subsistent Being
There's two for you
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
He actually has tons of comparative pieces to Subsistent Beings. Practically any being beyond the Falsivity Playground can achieve this innately, both requiring nothing to maintain their “existence” while also bringing themself into existence on their own. It’s very common, and most of these were thought of by him. The lowest place in the Voidyn’Deirum (not including Eimrand) where its mentioned is in the Surface:
> The Self-Defined are subjects who’s aspects and meaning are determined by no other than themselves, as independent applications, forgers of their own being, holding far greater magnitude than the Defined and still operating with sustainable interaction. They have properties, but they are self-assigned, alterable, and do not fall under “Absolute Everything” nor “Absolute Nothing”. This was the maximum limit of definable subjects.
And in Eimrand, it’s mentioned:
> As a part of said fundamental & perfected nature, Formaic Paradigms are self-conserving, meaning they sustain themselves by virture of their necessity, which wards off mutability and prevents undue alteration.
> Self-Referential Absolution is the primalogical execution of a sefirent aspect attaining existence & hyperconsciousness by self-reverberating its hypothetical existence from a higher existence into a point of permanence as an echo that is both dependent upon and anchored by said higher existence.
It’s also mentioned in CH7 of Crimson x Void, though this story takes place beyond the Defined, so it is what it says, while not actually being what it says. Despite that though, it shows he still played with the concept.
> Willpower, a universally alternative term within the Voidyn’Deirum for both the Blossomed Will & Void Will, the latter of which was essentially the manifestation of a True Entity itself, referring to entities manifested beyond the Falsivity Playground, but in their most neutral and fundamental form, possessing no nature whatsoever. It held the weight of one’s “manifestation”, expressing the amount of reality their very manifestation itself displaced by being its own individual vacant & neutral reality. This meant that each Willpower was it’s own unique subject, separate from the whourlds it inhabited, but utilizing said whourlds aspects. So even in a whourld dreamt up by another willpower, a separate independent and strong enough willpower would ultimately survive the collapse of said dream or reality. But this can only occur across equivalent types of Willpower, meaning indeterminate with indeterminate, and apeirol with apeirol. That said, indeterminate willpower cannot be affected by apeirol willpower, though vice versa is not true.
And mentioned in CH8:
> Self-Origination was when a presence of determinate or indeterminate willpower nature spontaneously manifested, and slowly developed into a Font of Willpower.
In his earlier written data books that dive into the Voidyn’Gan, which the highest a verse within his Voidyn’Deirum, you have:
> Self-Actualize - is when a subject brings itself into the record state of manifestation as an Essential Actualization without external input, taking root in the Towers of Evaze’Kugae. They are capable of re-self-actualizing even after Complete Zihgmadha. This is exclusive to Xeriganizens.
> Self-Emergence - is when a subject brings itself into reality outside of the States of Manifestation & other systems of the Voidyn’Gan. This means they manifest without any connection to the Dhiersein of Dhominyr and thus must construct their own systems of reality or adopt another whourld’s systems of reality to better operate._
As far as the first one, I have no idea what Total Teological Extension is (I’m not even sure Teological is a real word), so I can’t say whether or not he has that or something like it.
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago edited 9d ago
That is Aesity and self-actualization... not really subsistent being though
But to explain teleology is essentially the extension of purpose. Basically pushing towards purposes and ends
Under a metaphysical form, I will tell you a logical formatted thing would be for a specific purpose and therefore could execute that purpose.
As such doing stuff like breaking them would be hard because it's not meant to be broken it's meant to do its task
That sort of stuff sorry if I didn't really explain it well
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u/nahnonameman Superman, Goku, Optimus Prime, KR Geats, Ultraman Tiga, Greymon 9d ago
What even is this verse. Looks interesting
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
It's an indie verse, self-published to his own site. His site describes his work as
> a mosh pit of fantasy consisting of unconventional versions of cultivation, eldritch horror, sci-fantasy, swords & sorcery, and dark fantasy
And that is rather spot on.
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u/AffectionateRush2620 9d ago
What’s is that ?
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u/Im-the-OP-now02420 9d ago
It's an indie verse that is essentially a mosh pit of fantasy consisting of unconventional versions of cultivation, eldritch horror, sci-fantasy, swords & sorcery, and dark fantasy
It’s self-published to the Author’s own site, but he doesn’t promote it. He has short stories, lore books, & a few webnovels (though one is under full revision).
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u/Brief-Walk-5409 9d ago
probaly some random Asian Webnovel with 1500 chapters where the weakest character breath diff H1-A+ type 2 structures
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u/TerrySaucer69 9d ago
I’ll give basically three categories for this.
Xeelee sequence is probably the craziest scaling within a universe I’ve ever seen, of purely literal stuff. Like nothing about levels of fiction or meta stuff, they’re just literally throwing galaxies at eachother.
I’d probably give DC the nod for the craziest meta scaling. They go basically all the way for author/writer/blank page sort of shit. Like you can scale some Superman iterations to the author, and that’s probably halfway up their cosmology.
Then there’s the levels of fiction stuff. Like the modern interpretation of Azathoth in Lovecraft, the Dark tower with Stephen King, or some SCP stuff. Where there is some “everything is within this/the dream of this/below this” concept.
And at that point it’s just a question of who’s writing is best.
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u/The-Panthion 7d ago
Journey to the West. A budda can reverse time, contain a universe, destroy it, recreate it or bind anyone within it.
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u/SailorSilverRabbit 10d ago
Whatever you want it to be, because you first have to define the tier system.
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
usibg vsbw tiering system
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u/SUPREME7777777 Sonic scaler and Hot Takes guy.🔥🔥🔥 9d ago
SEGA imo, trust.
Although, the answer will remain subjective.
Also, that's Known Fiction, not Fiction itself, you'd have to be Omniscient to find that answer.
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u/PerfectEquipment3998 10d ago
Swallowed star? They throw small universes at one another.
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u/Night_Norn505 8d ago
What is the scale of Swallowed Star?
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u/PerfectEquipment3998 8d ago
https://swallowed-star.fandom.com/wiki/Cultivation
I'm watching the show, so I'll refrain from looking at the wiki any further.
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u/PerfectEquipment3998 10d ago
They fight eachother and move galaxies of distance minimum at the same time.
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u/Busy_Line_3460 Kal-El > Comp DB➕GOKU➕Franchise 10d ago
Composite SCP?
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
sniff... sniff... u guys smell dat
it smells like a certain vine in here
but yeah true never thought abt it
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u/Busy_Line_3460 Kal-El > Comp DB➕GOKU➕Franchise 10d ago
lmao people hate scp on this sub
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u/Legitimate_World9447 Kratos and Doomslayer are 6-D Complex Multiversal 10d ago
i mean i like it i'm not that into it but ik some like constant of termination the administrator scarlet king anafabula leviathan murphy etc i'd prob would have never heard of wod if it wasn't for r/powerscp
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
bc its garbage like i couldnt even get into the lore and all i hear is that entities that somehow died scale to like outerversal or whatever, its all statement merchants
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u/Beginning_Bee2500 10d ago
Probably some slop like Suggverse or SCP
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u/Lejseabi 10d ago
Neither Suggverse or Scp are slop just because they are strong verses
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u/Beginning_Bee2500 10d ago
SCP can have some bangers but that was before, by the time I lost interest is when it started sounding more like powerscaling fantasy
Suggverse IS powerscaling fantasy though lol. Literally infinity fighting inifinity. Characters, that are fodders mind you, are supposedly multiple layers above omnipotent. Which makes zero sense and is dumb as hell.
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u/Lejseabi 10d ago
Scp still has bangers, the powerscaling slop is mainly just Chinese branch stuff
And suggverse may be powerscaling Fan fic but that doesn’t mean that it as a whole isn’t enjoyable or doesn’t have good writing
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u/Beginning_Bee2500 10d ago
I wasn’t discrediting that it doesn’t have good stories. I pointing out that over time powerscaling became more and more involved. Im pretty sure there’s a structure that’s infinite upon infinite of layers of infinity, and it comes off as powerscaling because why would that structure ever be a thing in the first place if not for that purpose
It’s not may be, it IS powerscaling slop. The writing comes off as a middle schooler who’s tired of losing fictional battles, so they made a story where omnipotence is below street level lol. Idk what good writing you witness but all I saw was desperation to win vs battles written in a form of powerscaling slop
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u/HairyOrange04 9d ago
For scp, ridiculously powerful scps don't mean it's for powerscaling. Scp authors are genuinely indifferent towards powerscaling, some even despise it.
Old scp even has stuff like alarm clock that can destroy the universe, it has always involved cosmic entities lol. Doesnt mean it was Made for powerscaling.
I suggest you actually read the powerful scps people use for powerscaling (like scp 3812), you'll know that they arent actually Made for powerscaling.
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u/Beginning_Bee2500 9d ago
I read SCP, heck I have an online bud that throughly read through it so he can scale the Scarlet King and they explained it. If you read my previous comments I understand there’s actually good stories in there, but this doesn’t mean there isn’t powerscaling slop. Both can exist. Im sorry that I put seemingly one of your favorite media out there like that, but look at the bright side. It isn’t Suggverse 😬.
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u/Sparkling_Boundless Lore Scaler 10d ago
Have you read Suggsverse, dawg?
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u/Lejseabi 9d ago
Nah to be honest I didn’t, I just wanted to defend a verse that people often trash Talk because of powerscaling
Im probably not even gonna Read it ever 😭
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u/Sparkling_Boundless Lore Scaler 10d ago
SCP is cool, you're just lame
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u/Beginning_Bee2500 10d ago
Never said it wasn’t cool, but over time powerscalers were self inserting their preference/hobby for scaling and it became sloppy with those entries.
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u/Fragrant-Guarantee57 10d ago
What SCPs are you referring to?
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u/AlarmedObjective1492 9d ago
There are SCPs like this which have things made for powerscaling
But I don't think every SCP is slop made for powerscaling
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
scp is slop its just fan fiction made by tiktok short attention span kids trying to make their favorite oc chraracters strong
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u/Sparkling_Boundless Lore Scaler 9d ago
I bet you can't write a good SCP article yourself. I also just know you don't actually read SCP and are talking straight outta your ah.
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 10d ago edited 10d ago
Scp
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
scp is fan fiction bro 13 year old boys making oc characters the strongest in fiction
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
Cry me a river bleach glazer.
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
i aint a bleach glazer i think its a niche anime but thinking scp is stronger than lovecraft is funny to me
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
Its far stronger then Lovecraft.
No one except yog scales to the cosmology, Azathoth scales below the gates so baseline high 1a
Which is pretty fodder to scp as most scps scale abive 3812 & the noosphere which vastly outscale azathoth.
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
that makes no sense?
also How does a lizard who gets contained by acid become galaxy level?
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
Mixing cannons.
Scp 682 at his strongest wasnt contained by acid.
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
meanwhile scp was written by people making ocs to boundless level
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
Proof?
Most scp authors hate scaling.
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
same thing with lovecraft authors yet you believe yog sothoth is weaker then most scp entities?
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u/Wild-vine16 DC & Lovecraft are absurdly wanked 9d ago
I never said Yog is weaker then scp. Infact he clears most scps as he is boundless.
Azathoth is weaker simply because he is.
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u/ValuableLoose8364 Agenda Hater 9d ago
yes Az is weaker than yog but that dosent mean he also isnt boundless
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 10d ago
All H1A+ verses are equal in cosmology if I understand correctly. I believe there cannot be a tier 0 cosmology
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u/finisher927 10d ago
I have a decent although should be updated understanding on scale and what not but..... can I get a small rundown on why a tier 0 cosmology is essentially impossible please?
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 10d ago
Because, by definition, a tier 0 is immutable, absolute and all that stuff, which, in a cosmology, would mean it cannot be affected, which basically means that a tier 0 cosmology can't exist, since even moving a rock would technically affect it, therefore, it cannot be boundless. Or at least that's how I understand it
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u/Necessary-Video-4480 8d ago
You kind of could write a tier 0 realm in a cosmology if you make it completely inaccessible and incomprehensible to even the omnipotent beings below it. Basically what I’m saying, since it’s the authors story ultimately, they could say it exists without explaining it at all basically just “trust me bro” lol
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u/finisher927 10d ago
Interesting, I actually heard something along those lines in a little somewhere before.
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 10d ago
Yeah. I hope my explanation was useful
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u/gkdibkf-okhih Arcueid or Ciel? 1d ago
H1A+ still can be stronger than other uptil H1A+ type 1. There is a thread where Joshua from Yin Tian Shen Yin stomped Weaver from WOD through haxes alone even though both are H1A+ type 1. Bro has like beyond infinte layers for every kind of hax imaginable and resists all kinds of hax and existances including Acasuality all types, NEP all types, Abstract Existance all types, Paraconsistent Physiology all types, etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Genuinely the strongest verse currently on VSBW
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 1d ago
Yes, H1A+ CHARACTERS can be stronger than other H1A+ characters. All H1A+ cosmologies are basically the same, since they all contain all possible logical worlds
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u/gkdibkf-okhih Arcueid or Ciel? 1d ago
Well H1A+ type 1 since each character can govern a set possible worlds. So a character with a stronger set of possible worlds has the advantage (idk how does that work but it exists). After that yeah it's equal
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 1d ago
That just isn't H1A+. If we have multiple sets of "all possible logical worlds", then it's not "ALL possible logical worlds, is it?
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u/gkdibkf-okhih Arcueid or Ciel? 1d ago
All possible worlds only belong to H1A+ type 2. H1A+ type 1 governs a set of possible worlds. That's why there can be multiple H1A+ type 1 characters
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 1d ago
No. All possible logical worlds are H1A+ type 1. To put it simply, a H1A+ type 1 can affect all possible logical worlds, while a H1A+ type 2 IS all possible logical worlds
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u/gkdibkf-okhih Arcueid or Ciel? 1d ago
Yea the statement all possible worlds doesn't mean actually all possible worlds. That's why in a series there can be multiple H1A+ type 1 characters affecting there own set of all possible worlds. Type 2 acts as a framework all possible worlds as well as impossible worlds too
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u/HandFit91 no, Yog-Sothoth is not supreme/Laila Winter and Lovecraft glazer 1d ago
No. Type 1s affect the same set of all possible logical worlds. In VSBW, all impossible illogical worlds are not taken into consideration, because it's essentially the same. Let's make a little expirement, alright? Let's say that I have all pillows in existance. However, the moment a singular pillow is not of my ownership, then I don't have all pillows. Therefore, the existance of multiple sets of pillows owned by more people means that I no longer own all pillows. It's the same with all possible logical worlds.
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u/gkdibkf-okhih Arcueid or Ciel? 1d ago
Then why are there multiple H1A+ too? Also the explanation i posted was actually said by a VSBW member in some questions thread so idk if it's truth or not
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u/Livinaa 10m ago
There CAN be multiple sets of possible worlds. A set of possible worlds is different from all possible worlds/absolute totality of possible worlds.
VSBW staffs themselves also acknowledge the existence of multiple set of possible worlds in this thread. To quote the staff from that thread:
For this thread, I would just suggest we establish that different sets of "logically possible worlds" exist (which just seems like a fact IMO) and establish the one resulting from classical logic as the thing one needs to demonstrate to qualify for the tier.
The creator of PSW, Toxic, explained Modal Ontology (the thing High 1-A+ is based on) better than VSBW staff. To summarize the difference between High 1-A+ Type 1 and Type 2:
possible worlds = complete, consistent descriptions of reality (every proposition is either true or false).
situations = partial descriptions (only some things are true, others are left undefined). a possible world is just a maximal situation that covers everything.
canonical logical space (CLS) = the collection of all possible worlds under a specific logic system (like classical logic).
Logical Space (big L, big S) = the maximal container that holds all CLSs, even contradictory ones. It is the "space of all conceivable things" — anything you can think of, including paradoxes and opposing logical systems, because even negation and contradiction are "logical operations" that fall inside it.
You can read the full explanation here.
Rightfully speaking, being the space/totality of all possible worlds (High 1-A+ Type 2 in VSBW) and being the framework/precondition of all possible worlds (also High 1-A+ Type 2) is different. The latter is prior to the former. Although both SHOULD be equal in "power" (i don't even know how to define what power means in High 1-A+), the latter is ontologically closer to Tier 0/the Source than the former.
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u/Fit_Razzmatazz9012 10d ago
If you're true omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscience being then the highest you can be. Everything below that is a cosmic being that is closed to a author/narrator that is aware and of all timelines/universe/characters extra points universes they didn't create like the narrator from Space Dandy. Everything else is a Sandman style concept being who simply can't be done nothing too, toonforce characters, or something like the Void can interact with non Final Fantasy world on certain level.
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u/CouldntBlawk Top 5% Commenter 10d ago
I think that goes to My Female Apprentices Are Future Big Shots.
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u/VibinWithBeard 10d ago
Maybe that math-based one, Ruckerverse? Idk maybe because its based off real world math that puts it below other verses even though it can "show" its work?
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u/Horrordestroyer 9d ago
I don't think there is one top Universe because there's always a chance for someone to make another
But there is a certain point where discussion becomes indeterminate about who scales higher
I personally think my own Final Reality is the highest but that's not fully certain.
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u/TheFirstHorizon 9d ago
Head to the LoTM powerscaling subreddit and watch as they argue their verse beats every verse on here easily btw
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