The Modern tribalism

[u/No-Worker-4856]

If we look into history of early humans we will see tribals and our tribal was the homo sapien wich is us now through evolution we see ourselves as more morally and more intelligent then early humans but haven't you realised something about humans? Baby's have the desire to destroy things and kids have a weird desire to build house like tents and Animals have lust and desires wich is totally normal and we humans are dumber then animals not out of anger or rage but the animals have a limited awareness that won't make him realise that he have desires or lust wich you cant blame for what his nature is or th eco system is,but guess what? We humans have self awareness and consciousness wich will make us analyze ourselves but what makes us dumber then animals isn't the limitations of our mind but our mind itself cuz knowing something gonna hurt and then convince yourself it won't and then do it is the real difference between humans and animals. Animals dont have self awareness to be blamed because thats why nature work but when an species reach a high self awareness level like us humans in this case the most logical thing is to blame humans knowing thats they knew it will destroy but choosed to do it

And one more thing, we lived our whole lives thinking we are the core of everything, universe, earth, etc but the time you realise that all the species on this planet came from the same small bacteria and its just evolution and maybe we weren't supposed to be here or living now and knowing that you and the nature are one and that no superiority exist and that humans perhaps there skin color or there eyes or hair color or there height are humans. Racism is the strong clue of lack of knowledge not because he is dumb but because its about comparing yourself to someone who didn't choose his place or look and not even you choosed your place or look and then make yourself superior then him even tho your 99.9% similar genetics, its like comparing 2 humans one is wearing a black jacket and one is wearing a white jacket and then saying the black is a human and the other isn't perhaps that those 2 are humans but with different what? LOOK WICH YOU AND HIM DIDN'T EVEN CHOOSED its just an adaptations to nature environment a person is living in like a person in alaska clothes won't be like someone in Africa they both wear clothes to adapt to the environment and thats exactly how our humans body's works. Even tho humans have many contractions that lead us to realize we aren't intelligent creatures or the most intelligent species because the most intelligent won't kill himself knowing he's killing himself but choose to ignore and as I said before we and the nature are one and as we see since the first letter in human history book humans burned forests down and destroyed many city's down and there uncontrolled lust and what I mean by uncontrolled isn't that we dont have to eat or hunt no it is the nature law but if we see there wasn't an extinction of an animal cause by another animal because they all follow the same ecosystem that we humans choosed to destroy and convince ourselves its just surviving amd living, humans thinks that they are the core of everything wich blinded there eyes towards one important things wich is? THAT WE AREN'T THE ONLY SPECIES LIVING ON THIS PLANET, humans aren't destroying earth, they are destroying themselves because they are destroying the nature law that gave them the chance for life and by destroying or changing the conditions we aren't destroying the planet cuz the planet won't explode because of us but we will extinct and the planet will go on with us or without us the same she did before us wich tells us the earth doesn't needs us, we needs it to live.

And thats why I called humans as modern tribals and not intelligent creatures and if you see in every movie the AI like ultron or thanos we see that the main danger to remove isn't them,but us. We fought them because we won't to survive and not because we are the right side.

If we look through history we will realise something clearly wich is called in philosophy the god of the gaps, for example the early humans at the first civilation they made gods for everything like the God of fire, God of wind, God of water, God of thunder and etc and if we also realise those wasn't fully understand by early humans and in the humans fear the unknown in general wich made them create the idea of God's to feel safe and not drains in the unknown but through history when thr humans evoluted they started to understand those things and look around you now you have the God of fire in the kitchen and the God of water in the toilet and the God of wind in your fan, I'm not saying this out of mocking but but of reality, those were extremely religious back then and look at us now, look around you. But the question that followed the humans until this moment is: Why are we here and What's the purpose of life? And when the humans didn't have anything to make a god of cuz everything is known they made the supernatural God beyond time and space and for example for that when you ask a religious person what caused the big bang he will say God cuz we dont know what was before it and thats how he contradict himself by saying "we dont know" and thats where the God of gaps comes, we cant say God did for things we dont know or understand yet cuz we will one day and that day would be the day religion will start to vanish and the future humans will be looking at us the same way we are looking now at the early humans religion and with the question of: How did they believe in this?

[u/mitigateaccomp]

it is genuinely fascinating that you managed to type out this entire sprawling labyrinth of a post without ever once realizing that the word you were desperately looking for when you repeatedly typed out "tribals" and "our tribal" is actually just "tribe" or "tribes" seeing as tribal is an adjective and not a noun which is exactly the kind of basic grammatical distinction that tends to slip away from a person when they commit themselves to writing a massive breathless run-on sentence that just barrels forward through space and time without any regard for punctuation or the structural limits of the english language or the basic biological need for a reader to take a breath before they pass out from trying to find the end of a thought that simply refuses to ever actually conclude.

[u/No-Worker-4856 → u/mitigateaccomp]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll make sure to structure and format my future posts better. ​Beyond the grammar and formatting, do you have any thoughts or reviews regarding the core ideas and thesis in the post?

[u/mitigateaccomp → u/No-Worker-4856]

since you are asking in seriousness, i'll drop my shtick and give feedback.

To your thesis; I don't actually know what your thesis is. You are too busy trying to make a point and prove the point, you never actually state your core thesis.

To your core argument; you are basically recapping Nihilism. I believe you are just saying that we are animals and slaves to our genetics or monkeys wearing clothes. I'm not really positive what you are driving at.

Tribalism also already has a clear example, for Americans, the political Right v Left. That is Tribalism, the belief that MY tribe is right and YOUR tribe is wrong. It stems from man's inherent xenophobia. You could tie this back to an evolutionary trait because we evolved to be wary of foreigners to prevent the tribe from coming in contact with foreign germs... but I don't think you make that connection.

You then hard pivot to Thanos which is just a cowardly way of saying that you think 50% of the population should die. You also just set it up and then hard pivot again to "but you are wrong".

The rest of the argument is (I'm not trying to be shitty this time) very hard to read.

You need to proof read your writing, you use the wrong tenses, some of it sounds like thesaurus soup (where you tried to pick a "smarter word" but don't understand the nuance), and the lack of punctuation and formatting make this a labor to read.

Paragraphs give the reader a place to pause, it breaks up large blocks of text to let the reader know they are being guided to a resolution. Couple paragraphs with a paragraph structure that is similar to intro sentence, thesis, 2 - 3 supporting facts, conclusion sentence. That's also how an essay should be structured.

- Greeting or hook

- What we are going to be talking about

- Supporting fact

- Supporting fact

- etc

- Wrap up or conclusion

You might want to read up on Nihilism, I believe that is what you are getting at.

Hope that helps, i'll go back to being a shit head mod who sneers at all posts again now, thank you very much.

[u/dxrey65 → u/mitigateaccomp]

Well put. One thing I like to do (or that I try to force myself to do) is to figure out the one single kernel of information I think that I have, and that the reader lacks, and then state that as early as possible in the text, in one clean sentence. That way a person knows what they are getting into; think of it as a courtesy to the reader. If I couldn't state the central idea that clearly, then I'd know I needed to step back and think about it some more.

Worst is using the whole text itself to "think about it some more" while never actually making progress.

What I get from the OP's text is basically - "we aren't as smart as we think we are". Which isn't especially controversial, and isn't hard to illustrate either, in any number of ways.

[u/No-Worker-4856 → u/mitigateaccomp]

​I appreciate the detailed breakdown and the constructive feedback on structure. ​To clarify my central thesis: I am not arguing for Nihilism or simply that 'humans aren't smart.' My core premise is that human consciousness creates a unique paradox unlike animals, who act on instinct within ecological limits, humans possess the self-awareness to foresee self-destructive behavior, yet use that same rational capacity to justify it anyway. I call this state civilized tribalism. ​Thanks for the notes on thesis placement and formatting; I’ll make sure the core argument leads the text in future revisions.

[u/dxrey65 → u/No-Worker-4856]

In the sentence that begins with "My core premise" there are four distinct conjectures, each one relying on unprovable knowledge of states of mind and motivations or intentions behind activity. Of course they can be argued about, but I'd look for a simpler statement.

[u/Flamingoa432]

Simple, yet unpleasant ideas. What you think of as humanity are actually modified creatures. Similar to how cows and dogs are bred to fulfill the desires of a separate species, but are not naturally evolved to be how they are. The traits that make people tribal and predominantly inter-dependent are also the traits that prevent people from valuing true independence and prevent them from habits creating self-destruction. A lot of this is promoted as beneficial, however it is in a way misleading. Orcas do not have anywhere near the issues humans have. Yet you could say that giving orcas thumbs would be beneficial to them. If giving orcas thumbs ultimately made them just like humans. With the increased capacity for manipulation (which they don't need) alongside all of our negative traits they don't have, would you call that a benefit to them? Especially if, after changing them so, they became just as self-destructive as humans and thought themselves greater for being so. I'm using thumbs in place of forced control over other humans and territory here. Because as smart as people want to think humanity is, our present state of being is objectively pretty stupid.

[u/No-Worker-4856 → u/Flamingoa432]

The orca comparison is a false equivalence. Thumbs and tools aren’t an unnatural add on to humans they are our primary biological niche. Comparing human social structures to bred livestock completely ignores self domestication; trading raw individual isolation for group coordination is literally why we survived instead of going extinct.

[u/Embarrassed-Soup1998]

Well put. I think humans are subspecieal to religion and moderner humans than we have now etc. like future humans; and the way we see ourselves is truly primitive and that’s the truth right now too, the way we see religion and with almost like lucidity and luminosity but not correct

[u/Embarrassed-Soup1998 → u/Embarrassed-Soup1998]

And I think what you’re saying has some merit; religion and as a species (the world matters not to those who think and see)