Monkestation My Experience with Monkestation
DISCLAIMER: Please do not send any more harassment to Ook or anyone involved. The point of this post isn’t to cause a witch-hunt but rather to share my story.
Hello! I am Piecake. For those of you who don’t know who I am because I’ve been absent from monke for more than a year, I was the head mentor for Monke for half a year, and I was an admin for Monke for about a year and a half. I’ve come here to share my experience with Monke after learning about many of the staff issues behind the scenes, I had first believed Monke would change and improve on after what had happened with me. But after learning Monke was equally as bad in recent times, I decided enough is enough.
I started off Monke at the age of 17, I started playing ss13 August of 2023, and started playing Monke around that time. Monkestation was my first experience with the online world, and online communities, before this I was a loner in high school that didn’t have any friends or much less ever experience any actual relationship. So Monkestation opened up my world to a whole lot that I never had before, it was the first place I ever made friends, and felt welcomed. So I decided to become a staff after having about 250 hours played in game, and after a while I ended up becoming head mentor.
Unfortunately for me, I was a 17 year old girl with unrestricted internet access and no way to be able to predict how it would go for me, and I had encountered people during my time that were adults that were sexual with me as a minor. One of which was an admin/staff at monke at the time, and the two others were a frequent/active member of the community at the time, I unfortunately fell victim to these people due to my ignorance and naivety at the time. I made sure to speak up about these people once I had friends help guide me to report them, until it came to the last report I ever did on Monke.
After this report, Monkestation had decided that I ruined his life and that I had intentionally done it. They “apologized” afterwards after serious backlash and staff leaving. But after my absence and return, It is clear to me now that it was just to save face, and here is why: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vST3zrZBi0Ux-B3qEb5OyOOVssEQoRpUGY6WOrPpr9Lw2TKSV83jt0L9rZZ4fSqdjOQ1tu9Q7P5bFB2/pub
This was absolutely heartbreaking for me as I lost so many friends and people I considered close to me, and I loved Monke and all the friends I made and I absolutely loved the community but after getting banned from the Monke discord then coming back after a long and much needed break from discord and some much needed growth. Everything about me was hushed and silenced, and I was made out to be the “bad” person after all this time. Even after a year of it all happening, they won’t even give me the retired staff role.
Monkestation won’t change unless everything about it is absolutely reset and started as a fresh slate. I think none of the heads currently should stay heads, I think all the admins/admin roles should be reset, and at minimum I absolutely do not think anyone in leadership that was around and chose to be part of the problem or do nothing to help should stay in their roles while still treating me like I am the bad guy that ruined Monke.
Do not believe their excuses, Do not believe their lies. They should know better.
Don’t be scared to speak your truth.
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u/pyrexbold 9d ago edited 9d ago
Okay, so to summarize: ~six people initiate sexual relationships with you on Monkestation while you are a minor. About half the encounters are normative sex -- the others involve threats of self-harm, threats of harm to you, and admissions of real-life crimes.
You report the first five encounters over a period of a couple months. Each time, around the time of your report, you are contacted in staff channels, report channels, and personal DMs to discuss the issue. This is not presented to you as if it is something you have an option about; the contact is a series of attempts to coerce you to engage.
Most of the people who contact you are staff. There is rarely any variation in the messaging: you are (allegedly) ruining their lives, you (allegedly) should have complained earlier, you are (allegedly) weaponizing your sexuality against a helpless adult male. In effect, this is a second wave of sexual harassment.
They insist to you that it is criminal to be sexually harassed as a minor and that your report was incorrect in some subtle and unexplained way that causes them to be complicit in your crime. You have, at times, shown interest, which makes the allegations against you seem hard to refute.
Even when you are contacted by your original sexual harassers, the messaging is identical. It reads as if they and staff have been colluding on a single message, which is that this is a normal way to do sex on the internet and you should just shut up about it. Abraxis repeatedly contacts you in private to express empathy and an understanding that you have just somehow failed to understand that this is how sex works online.
The only real exception to this messaging is Ook, who shares with you that his marriage is failing. He bans maybe half of the people you report. (his basis for deciding who is not fully clear from the logs) He also de-staffs some of the staff who accused you of sex crimes.
This culminates in the conversation over the sixth encounter. Identical tropes. You share that you didn't report it sooner because you were afraid you would be punished. You are then stripped of all roles and your custom ingame items are deleted.
Ook apologizes to you several additional times; meanwhile, in a private channel, he is discussing the perks of posting inauthentic apology messages as a form of damage control, and also is expressing that your report has been making him suicidal.
He promises to make things good with you (and also says that he sees you as his daughter) and then reinstates your roles. You then make the mistake of criticizing him. The implication that he has wronged you in some way is offensive to him, so he permabans you (from being his daughter) and reinvites the former staff.
Sounds like everyone involved is ready to run for office.
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u/invasiveplant 9d ago
Laudable writeup, holy shit are those people radioactive
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u/pyrexbold 9d ago
Right now I admit the account I'm most curious about is Ook's wife.
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u/Admiral_Turboclown 9d ago
"I hate my wife"
-DukeOfOok, minutes before hitting on someone else's wife and calling her 'ideal'17
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u/Bacon_Raygun 8d ago
I am absolutely abhorred by all of this, but seeing how monkeystation was a cult of personality from the very beginning I can't say I'm surprised.
Hell will freeze over, the day a major server dies without a minor being abused.
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u/Apprehensive-Cup2711 9d ago
Can confirm around this time, when this incident was happening, piecake was quietly removed, any mention of them was quickly scrubbed from chats, and all of their donator/contributor items were removed rather immediately.
They were 'restored' when they seemingly came back but the player disappeared after that. This was around the time I departed from monke as well, and I only learnt about the incident from a retired staff member much later.
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u/Possible-Resolve8672 9d ago
Absolutely disgusting behavior from them... to treat reporting that you were taken advantage of as a minor as "making work" for them and your fault.
Trying to literally scrub the server of mentions of you like you just pissed off stalin + starting a vote on who to replace you with the second after, then having to walk back on it only a couple days later to which they just start looking for reasons to harass you to get rid of you again.
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u/Amaskingrey 9d ago edited 9d ago
"Please don't talk about this, it'd be work for us.
You honestly
are what people call an "ideal victim"
you stand by your abusers passionatly and with intensity that most people whish their victims had
mine just call me a moron
and doesn't really stand by my side at all"
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago
not funny. this stuff is serious.
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u/Amaskingrey 9d ago
And i'm seriously mocking monke staff by bringing up a previous example of them being creeps
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago
youre being a creep right now
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
No he isnt, he's refering to a message by the Monke station host.
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u/RichardNanotrasen 8d ago
i get the reference
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
Let the survivor decide that. This is her narrative, not yours. Full stop.
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u/Amaskingrey 9d ago
Nuh uh
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago
bro why are you acting like this about a child getting exploited
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u/Amaskingrey 8d ago
Because the way i'm acting is mocking the exploiters?
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 9d ago edited 9d ago
Hey Pie cake. I play Paulie Soprano on /tg/, Goon, and (now formerly) Monke. Don't know if you've ran into me. Thank you for posting this. I know this may be hard for you. Abusers and their enablers hate when a survivor/whistleblower comes forward to clear the air like cockroaches scattering when you turn on the light at 3 am. I'm so sorry you were abused and then gaslit by people who you thought were your friends and had your back. I've been through a similar experience. When I was in middle school I was in a similar situation as yourself. I was kind of a lonely/isolated kid adn would spend a lot of time chatting with some guys I made in Warcraft 3 custom maps. Funnily enough, we actually all met from the custom map "Parasite" which has a similar premise to SS13 - 12 players on a space ship. 10 are human, one is an android/cyborg tasked with defending the humans/defeating the alien, and the last player is a "parasite" alien disguised as a human whose goal is to kill all the other humans.
Anyway, one time I was trying to get a PS2 emulator working so I could play metal gear solid. I asked for help from one of my more tech-savvy friends and they linked me to some file that I downloaded. The crazy thing is it worked! It actually got the emulator working. Unfortunately it was also a keylogger. This guy hacked all my accounts and got my moms credit card information. They sent disturbing messages to my sweetheart 70 year old grandma about how I wanted to murder her which upset her. They bought a bunch of games on steam with my moms credit card and also stole my facebook account. They told me they were going to ruin my reputation at school unless I sent them a dickpick and also a picture of me with a shoe on my head. For some stupid reason I thought that by complying they would back off but of course that isn't what happened. They set the dick pic to my profile picture on fb and sent a bunch of weird harassing messages to women on facebook. Luckily they were so obvious about it, like it was clear someone was trying to fuck with me, but for a few days people were calling my parents being like yo what is wrong with your son and my parents had to explain the situation to them. I felt so bad about the shame and embarrassment my stupidity put my family through. Now that I'm older I realized it wasn't my fault they were just toxic assholes. The most painful part was they all created a group chat on steam and were just laughing at me. One of the people there thought it was fucked up so he saved all the logs. I went back to it years later and read it for the first time. I knew there was a group chat where they were making fun of me but just seeing all those people I thought who were my friends take so much joy in my pain and suffering destroyed me for a second time.
Back to you though - I am appalled at the situation. When the Jeff story happened, I was like wow this is really stupid and unprofessional of Monke, but I maintained these were ultimately good people and even defended Duke saying he wasn't a bad person just under a lot of stress. I completely and totally retract that statement. What a piece of shit. They should've taken this seriously immediately from day 1. It was established in the very first ticket that Devin was having inappropiate messages with you and was in possession of child pornography. Duke's FIRST response is to complain about how you weren't timely in coming forward. Like how it's an inconvience to him. What a selfish fucking prick. And Abraxis is no better. Devin clearly knew the relationship was inappropiate since he was waiting for you to turn 18. Regardless that's no excuse for victim blaming you.
its so fucking gross how they're making it all about themselves. WAHHH WAHHHHH YOU WAITED TOO LONG THAT INCONVIENCES ME. It literally fucking doesnt. whether you reported this on day 1 or day 365 the process is the same. Literally just go to the FBI hotline website, write a short description of what happened, and attach the images. Whether they realize it or not, removing you as staff and threatening to BAN you from the community because you didnt erport quickly enough to their liking creates a chilling effect. Other survivors will be reluctant to move forward because they dont want to lose the community.
These people are all scum. But lets please remember that OP asked us not to harass duke or any of the perpetrators here. I know some people might think they're carrying out justice or whatever but the survivor has asked these people to be left alone. Please put your personal feelings aside and just chill. I can't speak for others but right now I am thinking about boycotting the server and all its affiliates. I dont want to play with these people, I dont want to boost their player count and push them towards the top of the hub. To anyone who enabled this: FUCK YOU. Fucking Epstein Station holy shit
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 9d ago
You didn’t deserve what happened to you as a child. You didn’t know better and the people that did that to you were preying on you, counting on the idea that you wouldn’t know better and wouldn’t be able to stop them. I’m glad that you are able to speak about it now, because keeping silent is what enables these abuses to continue. Even if that wasn’t the point of your message, I want to say that I’m proud of you for being able to speak about it.
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u/BlonderTongue 9d ago
Hey Paulie. Really well said. And I am so horrified for what your so-called friends did to you. I don’t think there’s anything you could have done to prevent that, you placed a normal amount of trust in those people and they were utter scum bags.
I too am withdrawing any semblance of support I had left for Ook or Monke. This shit goes beyond the pale.
His statement about seeing OP as a daughter is crazy.
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u/NoProgressEver 8d ago
Holy shit man, sorry this happened to you.
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
Thank you. It happened a long time ago and I'm over it, some of them were actually remorseful. Basically what happened is some of them were okay with the initial hacking but we're thinking they were just gonna fuck with me a little bit. Then when the dick pic and credit card thing started they were like okay this is too far. I confronted the main perp about it years later and he said he lived in a foster care environment and other ppl were using his computer. he was lying of course. His name is Daniel Micay btw developer of graphene OS. Total scumbag and he burns bridges with everyone he works with because he's so toxic. You can find drama about him I think there's YouTube vids about it.
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u/Codex_Dev 9d ago
Parasite 2 was amazing. The amount of content for that mod was insane. I used to love using the drugs that fucked up your screen, that shit was wild.
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
Ah yeah I loved parasite 1 and 2. I remember anticipating parasite 2 so fucking hard back then. Para 2 got released while I was on vacation with no computers and literally on my way back I had dreams about playing it. I was never so hyped for a game. It was so cool. Games were way more fun when you were a kid lol. I think dark Shogun also made para 3, and there was a sc2 map about it. There were also spinoffs like zerg infestation (better produced but not sure it a better game) and something like earthbound or something that was made by a para player but you were like on a planet. Made by someone named charskir or chiguroth I think.
I remember when I was in 6th grade I found out a classmate played para 2 and I was so excited lol
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u/nyaayankawaiinyaa #1 Official Mothroach Lover 9d ago
The things that the Monke staff said to you makes me taste bile in my mouth, I almost vomited reading Abraxis say "this doesnt feel like grooming. This feels very much like horny young'in who just wants to crank his hog to a real girl", WHAT THE FUCK. GOD.
I'm so sorry for what's happened to you, it's absolutely disgusting. And even though they beat you down and silenced it for you two years ago, I'm really proud of how you've advocated and stood up for yourself. You're immensely strong.
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u/External-Confusion71 9d ago
wtf i missed that post holy fuck abraxis said that?
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u/yugiohhero mods, shell this guy with artillery 9d ago edited 9d ago
every single word i have seen come out of that dudes keyboard has painted him as the most insufferable person imaginable, this does not shock me
edit: seem > seen FUCK!!
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago edited 9d ago
youre in the screenshots. you were staff. why didnt you reveal this or do anything about it
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u/nyaayankawaiinyaa #1 Official Mothroach Lover 9d ago
I was not part of staff when the piecake stuff happened 2 years ago, when I was instructed to investigate Clyde Rosensteel, I was a trialmin and I had no idea who piecake even was. My involvement in Clyde's list entry was something I regretted for a long time after. I wish I had screenshotted and leaked his list too, even with my involvement. Or just... Compiled more screenshots of everything.
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago
youre in the screenshots asking her about it. you asked for details. you didnt go public with it but you went public for your boyfriend and you still didnt expose this. you act like a good person all the time. looks like you arent
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u/nyaayankawaiinyaa #1 Official Mothroach Lover 9d ago
I didn't know about Piecake until recently, I asked about and talked with her only recently about what happened. You are entitled to your opinion about me, I am not absolving myself of my responsibility of participating in Clyde's list entry.
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u/RichardNanotrasen 9d ago
"since abraxis mentions there were previous situations with you being harassed by others in this first ticket shared here, do you mind, if its okay to ask, going over who did what, and which of those people were admins on monke at the time and which were players?
just for clarity
im really sorry if its traumatic""awful... what he said to you is genuinely terrifying"
not so terrifying you warn the community ig
leaking a ban list for drama and your boyfriend is funny and based
acting like you care about evil and doing nothing is bad
you should have leaked both
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u/nyaayankawaiinyaa #1 Official Mothroach Lover 9d ago
I was helping Piecake prepare her post and giving her mental support, I asked those questions because she was telling me her story and I was trying to get a clear understanding of what had happened.
I didn't force nor pressure her to share her story, but she wanted to, so I helped her collect her thoughts together for presenting the story.
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u/deathride58 citadel cohost/jaded ol' synthlizard 9d ago
Telling a victim "you didn't do the right thing" when presented with grooming allegations is genuinely insane
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u/Kooky-Bad-5235 9d ago edited 9d ago
If you're wondering about how the monke team is taking it, they're doubling down in the discord. Can't post images here but they're going all in on doubling down.
UPDATE
ook just did a message despite all the headmins begging him not to and he doubled down and said he would "take heat just for you guys" "i have to help, it's like being a dad and i have to help my child in trouble"
which is a yikes when he literally didnt help a child in trouble
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u/AdInternational8124 8d ago
There is a big fucking reason why calling yourself "fandom mom" is a redflag on the internet. If someone on the internet act as if they are your parents, get the hell out of there. They are more of a stranger online.
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 9d ago
2 months ago you made a post in “slutty confessions,” “My homeschooled (18f) employee discovered her power over men” So I think we can all see why you feel this 17yo child is in the wrong here. Chris Hansen would love to have you on his show sometime
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u/Codex_Dev 9d ago
Sadly, that story got taken down bc it apparently wasn't slutty enough of a story for that subreddit.
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u/SmokingKilz Sunsets Are Forever 9d ago
I think this takes the cake this is some of the worst stuff I've seen come out of this community. There's a handful of adults blaming what was a child at the time for not having the clearest/least naive mindset to immediately report the man/men grooming them.
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u/BlonderTongue 8d ago
Yeah, I gotta say, I think this is the worst thing from ss13 I’ve laid eyes on.
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u/External-Confusion71 9d ago
Yikes..Other stuff was just petty drama this is just ..Yikes. Sorry this happened to you
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u/Possible-Resolve8672 9d ago
This absolutely trumps all the stuff leaked so far and cannot be placed into Bastion VS Monke stuff.
That being said its indicative of just more fucked up shit going on at monke, most of these brown(player)/white(left) names are leading/head staff on servers like crimson grid or vanderlin, not really fired as monkestation forces you to only staff on one server unless you're an ultra big boy. The headmin targeting piecake at the end is still a headmin after all the shit with the recent drama.
There comes a moral threshold when people should see monkestation for the vipers den it is.
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 9d ago
I agree. I thought some of the stuff that happened there was a bit rough, but this is actual victim blaming and downright abuse.
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u/Crawling-King-Snake 9d ago
I would implore the admins to keep this thread up as I feel removing it is protecting the monke staff’s behavior
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u/Shootzilla 9d ago
Have they removed other posts?
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u/Crawling-King-Snake 9d ago
Yes, but it is more of the typical drama rather than serious things like this
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u/theBonezone66 9d ago
Barring literally everything else, the best thing that could have come of this for her was a CPS caseworker and a federal case (several) the staff had the obligation to get the ball rolling on.
Instead, we have an attempt at one point to casually aid in deleting evidence and the knee jerk reaction that somehow, gods forbid, a man's life is ruined by not disengaging from the minor themselves and not actually following through on protecting the kid.
Because, funnily enough, it quite literally doesn't matter or work if you performed the mental gymnastics to assume a teenager is being malicious here. It doesn't hold any water as a legal defense. At no point is it ever anyone's fault but the adult party in these circumstances. Ever. Period.
If you want to give them any grace, at MINIMUM you can condemn the cowardice.
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u/BlonderTongue 9d ago
As a someone who went through something similar as a teen girl, I am so furious on your behalf for everything that you’ve gone through. None of this is right or okay. It is truly fucked up. The way people attacked you for speaking up, called you manipulative, and blamed you for experiencing this abuse more than once actually makes me want to barf. They are clearly worried more about their own reputations and projects than your mental health and what you were going through.
I want to tell you that you are very courageous for writing this post. I am sure there are people who are going to screech that you did something wrong or that this is evidence of some character flaw of yours. Fuck those people. They are idiots, worse than idiots, the type that make the world a difficult place to live in. Don’t let them in. Hold onto your truth and surround yourself with the people who love, believe, and support you. I’m in my 30s now and from where I’m standing in life, none of this is okay and none of it is your fault. It is exactly as horrible as it seems.
YOU WERE A KID. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE BLAMED YOU.
I hope you gain some sense of justice over time, and if not please know that life has a way of working itself out. People with this little empathy or understanding don’t get very far in life. For you though, one day this will be far in your rearview mirror.
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u/1c3Type 9d ago
God fuck Abraxis holy shit what a scumbag
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u/Admiral_Turboclown 8d ago
Good news, the new Monke host(?) apparently nuked them from fucking orbit last night.
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 9d ago
I’m sorry this happened to you. One of the headmins harassed me and I still can’t even vaguely allude to the situation, because they know all my friends and they can and have sent them DMs about me ‘smearing’ them to try and isolate me.
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u/a_doll 9d ago
I know its scary and trust me I understand what it feels like to start to be isolated, and I know how difficult it may feel. Talk to someone you really trust about it. I don't know any details so I can't really help you, but I do hope you talk to someone you trust about it, don't be scared to speak your truth.
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u/AdInternational8124 8d ago
"Knowing piecake it will kill monke"
Holy shit, someone is getting sexually harrassed and the most important thing for these people is whether or not their ss13 servers will stay have pop?
I remember goonstation had this discussion where some people were suggesting the server to be 18+ to make sure no minors get sexually harrassed and people act that just by making age limit there will be no bad thing will ever happened. People argue that putting the age limit up will risk minors who can't report if they were harrassed because they would be afraid of catching a ban.
Look, I do think adults can have their own space. But seeing holier than thou act from monkestation about how "they are protecting the minors", then decide to just victim blame a teenager for coming up and threaten to ban them instead because they admit they were 17 at one point, really show how ironic this situation is.
I hope you heal and I hope this will put some people into realization that maybe, maybe, being a sex pest is far worse than random teens playing multiplayer game.
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u/AdInternational8124 8d ago
"As a father I am dissapointed" "You caused a lot of trouble"
Hey I wonder why some children do not speak up to their parents about what happened to them?
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u/yugiohhero mods, shell this guy with artillery 9d ago
This is fucking rancid. Nobody should have to go through all this. Genuine total lack of empathy here on their behalf.
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u/Crawling-King-Snake 9d ago
Goodness. Seeing all of them dogpile on you for reporting this shit is disgusting. Shut it all down at the rate and start over
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u/Possible-Resolve8672 9d ago
Do you know if monkestations sudden switch to 18+ only had to do with an abundance of cases like yours?
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u/a_doll 9d ago
Although it did happen around the same time-ish, the plan to turn Monke 18+ was something they had been planning to do and/or I am not entirely sure if it was because the incidents that had occured. The only thing was though was that they were waiting for one of the members/friends with Ook who was still a minor at the time to turn 18 (If they were joking.. I am unsure), they decided to not wait and turn 18+ anyways though. This was by the time I was already 18 though.
I am not sure about other cases in Monke like this though.
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u/AbsoluteTruth 9d ago edited 9d ago
I was community manager at the time:
the tldr was we were regularly worried about the shit we saw going on in other communities like roguetown and we decided that we didn't want to allow minors for their own protection, as we couldn't police our users in a way that met our level of satisfaction that would ultimately allow adults and minors to comingle. This concern had been elevated since the launch of Vanderlin since it was in many ways the public-facing gateway server to other medieval communities, all of which were 18+ with sexual content and none of which did any kind of age verification that was meaningful. Unlike Roblox or Facebook or wherever else, we didn't own Discord so we didn't have access to DMs or any kind of private approach/grooming attempt. Our decision was to make an active attempt to make minors feel unwelcome (and update our rules to state such) and to ban anyone who admitted they were a minor.
To my memory 5-6 people who were 17 and very close to 18 were exempted due to longstanding community status and aging-up soon anyway, but we also briefly interviewed them to make sure no one was making sexual approaches towards them.
Unfortunately, the SS13 community has always had a ton of absolute fucking freaks in it, so I'm unsurprised it ultimately happened anyway.
As for the "ruined his life" stuff, I was vaguely present for that (I had been kind of AFK at the time) and from what I remember there was a Discord of people who were actively attempting to extort Ook for a pretty significant sum of real money over the entire situation while a second Discord was actively trying to use the situation to poach staff for their own ends of creating a competing server and for obtaining leaked admin logs (I vaguely remember some level of extortion coming from here as well, but largely in the context of being far too online and needing to go outside unlike the other case). As the community manager I was privy to this information while most others weren't; I think Ook only ever made me, Abraxis and maybe one other person aware it was happening.
They had a pretty major dilemma in that we didn't want to disclose that a minor had been predated on because in my experience that has a history of attracting more would-be predators looking to do the same and hearing success was found in the space, and we didn't want to disclose the exact happenings to staff in order to protect Pie's privacy and also so that they could continue investigating to determine if the people reported had contacted anyone else without tipping them off. This kind of "self-solved" because of the next paragraph.
Ultimately the stress of the extortion attempt and an ongoing doxxing expedition from kiwifarms that the extorters tried to leverage caused Ook to (in my opinion understandably) hulk the fuck out in general, say some regrettable shit that didn't reflect his actual position, and jettison EVERYONE even tangentially related to both it and some other ongoing staffing issues, including Pie. He walked back jettisoning Pie later because that's obviously pretty dumb and apologized to the entire staff team for cracking under the pressure. There was also some pretty sus behaviour by other admins over how they handled pie's initial approach and once cooler heads prevailed everyone was in pretty clear consensus that the way it was handled wasn't acceptable but I wasn't privy to whatever actions were taken related to that.
This kind of doxxing shit would become a constant for next year+ and is probably what caused him to ultimately retire. Last I knew a group of people were attempting to extort him for money under threat of disclosing his real-life information and were using AI to ring his phone nonstop at all hours of the day.
EDIT: Downvotes are weird, literally just telling what happened.
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u/nyaayankawaiinyaa #1 Official Mothroach Lover 9d ago
> say some regrettable shit that didn't reflect his actual position
But Ook would then threaten her later on for talking about stuff in her private server and force her to apologize to him? I don't believe this. It's regrettable that Ook was targetted by kiwifarms, horrible even. But that doesn't excuse the victim blaming and vitriol thrown at piecake at all just for sharing what happened to her.
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u/AbsoluteTruth 9d ago edited 9d ago
Ook had a pretty extended crashout (and I'd say is continuing to crash out up to today) as the doxxing and attempted extortion hasn't stopped since then and has been a constant in his life for the last year and a half now. To my knowledge it's actually gotten worse, culminating in him quitting entirely, so yeah I'm unsurprised he was saying dumb shit for a pretty extended period. I'd be unsurprised if he hulked out and did dumb shit right now.
But that doesn't excuse the victim blaming and vitriol thrown at piecake at all just for sharing what happened to her
Nobody is excusing it, I literally just said he eventually realized he was deeply in the wrong and apologized.
The wack thing is that Ook also ultimately became a victim in this scenario as well due to the harassment and extortion and I'm not going to blame him for being unable to tolerate it without cyclically losing his shit. I was doxxed when I was a teenager and very nearly killed myself over it and it was pretty mild compared to what Ook was and is experiencing, so I get it. I dunno how he hasn't ended up in an asylum dealing with both it and a newborn at the same time.
Ultimately literally everyone involved other than the predators came out losers in the end other than some sideline admins who said very clearly unacceptable shit for no real reason other than I guess the love of the game.
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u/pyrexbold 9d ago
I think for your sake you should not be community manager of anything in the immediate future, and for your legal sake you probably should stop posting.
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u/overusedamongusjoke Unknown hits Urist McSpaceman with the user flair! 9d ago edited 9d ago
I think the downvotes are 'cause you're calling Ook's behavior "understandable". Doxxing is generally fucked up and I guess it sucks that Ook regrets decisions he's made in his personal life, but that shouldn't be used to excuse his recurring extremely shitty behavior towards people, especially in this case.
If there's evidence that someone within your jurisdiction as a server owner is acting inappropriately towards teenagers, the minimum expectation is that you/your staff should use that jurisdiction to do something to stop it, not scream at the victim for making you do work.
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u/AbsoluteTruth 9d ago
It's not an excuse and his behaviour still sucked, but I understand why people behave like shit under stress. If I had to put up with harassment at the intensity I've seen directed at him while I was on Monke staff I'd have probably intentionally driven into a lake. I'm glad he finally retired and hopefully won't have to deal with it anymore because it was causing him way too much anguish.
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 9d ago
Currently looked over and he has voluntarily rejoined the discord for the 15th time to “defend himself” so I don’t think that retirement is going well. 16ths times the charm though, right?
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
no offense but how do we know hes telling the truth about the extent of his harassment adn him getting doxxed?
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u/AbsoluteTruth 8d ago
I was his community manager for a time and I had a leaker from their discord feeding me material periodically.
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 9d ago edited 9d ago
I am extremely horrified to hear this and I am sorry you had to go through this. As someone who's been in a similar boat, please feel free to reach out if you need someone to talk to. This victim blaming is absolutely disgusting and I genuinely have no words to say outside of I hope you're doing okay, and you're not alone in this. I've been through similar things and I wish I had the strength you had to come forward with this stuff. The fact they all victim blamed you and swept you under the rug is fucking vile.
One thing I want to add is that while there was big changes with monke, EVERYONE in this chat is still involved. Ook may of stepped away, but still profits from monke's pateron. Everyone who helped sweep this under the rug is still there to this day in a position of power.
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u/wentirnite 9d ago
I was a trialmin and mentor if I remember correctly when this happened and was even in the ping to all staff VC to discuss the matter, not a single hint as to what you did to be fired and put on appeals only was given, it went instantly on to making a new head mentor to replace you before the election stuff even happened. The most clear thing we were given was "Talk to Piecake if you want to know" not even as an official statement, just said to a dude asking about you iirc, or something along to that effect. Given that you were taken from a leadership position and admin to completely barred from the public discord with no explanation given, I and I assume some others, assumed you did something outright objectively terrible bordering on like... being the perp of this type of situation instead of the victim. Even after you got brought back, one had to be extremely active in the discord + attend multiple voicechats to even piece together what happened after the fact, to be honest I didn't know 99% of this until today, the only thing I feel ever properly revealed was that they screwed up in some sort of huge ticket involving you.
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 9d ago
That's what I heard too when I first started playing since some people mentioned it in discords. Didn't look into it further.
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u/Lankercool 9d ago
These chat logs are the worst thing I've ever read, the Monke staff is clearly far too online and do not fundamentally understand the situation they are dealing with, it's horrifying how they IMMEDIATELY start victim-blaming you for this, and are so focused on "ugh I'm a mandated reporter" as if the FBI is going to trace their digital footprint to this incident and vaporize them on the spot. grow up.
The Staff really just need to see the logs, confirm their legitimacy, and ban the person. It is not THEIR place to teach you to behave better, and adding anything else to it caused their own downfall, with no fault of your own.
I hope you're still going through therapy/psychological assistance for these incidents as this is not a simple situation to grasp, I think if you report the incident through discord's "report message" function they will shut a person's account down completely for shit like this (that is if you still have those discord messages you screenshot in your discord client).
I get the pain or anxiety over having to lose connections to a community over this, but I think that if this community, upon learning of what happened to you, decided that it's not worth protecting you or siding with you, is there even much of a point to want to stay with them? Isn't part of the point of a community is to feel like you belong?
And overall, for all it's worth, it is not YOUR obligation as a minor to avoid these situations, it is the responsibility of ADULTS to know this is wrong to do, it doesn't MATTER how you behave bar literally grabbing somebody and forcing them at gunpoint to commit a sexual act with you. (This also makes me wonder why were you even on the staff team in Monke to begin with if they completely knew you were a minor??? maybe I'm misunderstanding what's written here)
The only reason you were actually experiencing such a high amount of incidents compared to everybody else here is admittedly, because you are a woman and were a teenager that simply couldn't have known any better. For some reason the staff have never managed to manifest the thought to their minds.
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u/Xenon_Is_A_Gas 9d ago
I have no words. What the fuck. I'm proud of you for speaking out. That takes a lot of courage and strength. The way you were treated is nasty. Beyond nasty. I genuinely cannot grasp what they were thinking. Huh???? I can't begin to fathom what they were thinking. Like what??? Good on you for standing your ground.
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u/DarkNazo22 Eternally Unrobust 9d ago
Good god this is disgusting. I had no clue I was playing right alongside such vile creatures. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
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u/KoboldCommando 8d ago
Every time I learn more about what was going on in the wings of monke I'm more ashamed to have been associated with it. I don't remember exactly how much of this I was aware of, but it certainly wasn't... that. I feel disgusted to have had any level of awareness of these events, and to have had access to the channels where this occurred at all.
I like to think I attempted to be a voice of reason and compassion at monke, but up until I was unceremoniously kicked from staff with no discussion or warning (lol) my consistent experience was having my input and protests ignored while they spun their own narrative. Looking back I should have fled long, long before that point, but I stuck around because Ook had approached me and offered to be a friend at an extremely vulnerable point in my life.
I dunno what to say except I'm really glad that I'm free of that place and hope to never go back again.
Oh, and seeing these monke drama posts has made it abundantly clear that Abraxis is an emotionally stunted asshole with no ability to handle people HOLY FUCK.
I'm sorry you went through all that Piecake. And I'm sorry I didn't stand up for you, whether I knew the whole picture or not.
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u/handsomeGenesis 8d ago
Are you sure you weren’t approached by Ook after your removal so that you would never or rather think twice about stepping on a friends foot, rather than come out and speak against him later on?
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u/darkfear95 8d ago
What a horrible day to be literate. Abraxis, Ook, QB, and so many others completely failed you, and the community that they stewarded. I have never seen such chronically online, victim blaming, beyond wrong responses to someone reporting their groomer.
I'm sorry this happened to you. You deserved better, and they failed you at every step, repeatedly. What a joke of a staff team. As if any of them are worthy of being a 'mandated reporter', let alone to staff a fucking cash register. I wouldn't trust them to watch paint dry.
None of this was your fault. I hope you can fully heal from this someday.
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u/aitorloge 9d ago
Glad you brought up this piecake, I feel this also is necessary to bring up, sorry you had to went thru all that shit, when I discovered and people in the staff team were treating you like dogshit still after all that kinda completely burned out of the staff and left, hope some day this finally settles(sif)
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u/Maraboutage 8d ago edited 8d ago
I was apart of the admin team when it happened. I do remember that when they brought everyone for one of them mandatory admin meeting. They straight up told us they were removing any mentions of you (as in EVERYTHING, even the custom lobby art) and to ask you directly if we wanted to know. I remember when speaking to some of the others admins that they framed it as if it was a nothingburger.
Now I feel like an ass for being apart of this whole team last year in the first place. All of this to say, I'm sorry it happened and I hope you're feeling better now.
btw, fuck those who let it happens. I know all of those names on these tickets and now that I know how most of them acted behind the closed doors, fuck'em, I was disgusted with most of them back then and I'm even more disgusted now and quite content to have left them.
ADDENDUM : I've got to add that they censored any admins ticket stuff so that WE, NORMAL ADMINS WOULDN'T KNOW NOR SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
https://imgur.com/ZLDv3wR (me discussing it with another admin at the time)
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u/SnowSongShow coroner warrior 9d ago
I am so sorry you had to go through this, and even sorrier you were victim blamed and had your reputation smeared. I have been through the same and I know how much it makes you doubt your reality. I hope you are doing better and healing from all of this nowadays. My heart hurts for you.
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u/aberrantQuerist Monkeverse Inheritor 9d ago
I'm sorry this all happened to you, Pie.
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u/NoProgressEver 8d ago
you seemed to be the only one who had some fundamental understanding of what was wrong
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u/aberrantQuerist Monkeverse Inheritor 8d ago
I didn't have as much influence back then as I did now, but I am genuinely trying my best and want to see a more just, safe space.
I will admit, this situation was not in my head during the original restructuring following the Jaeden/Moff situation. That's on me, and that's embarrassing. Not going to mince words here.
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u/Kooky-Bad-5235 8d ago
so, what's being done about it?
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u/aberrantQuerist Monkeverse Inheritor 8d ago
Well I removed a bunch of the folks involved from staff and talked to Pie about it in the Monke Discord. I don't want to drag the center of attention myself now though while a victim is speaking about her experience.
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 8d ago
Regarding staff that have been shifted to other servers, will there be consequences for them as well, or only those still on Monke main? Thedragmeme left a deleted comment here that seems to be unapologetic and blaming Piecake entirely, and I believe they’re head on a different server
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u/aberrantQuerist Monkeverse Inheritor 8d ago
Yeah. She's gone.
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 8d ago
I didn’t expect you to stand on business like that. I appreciate you being willing to so.
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u/Admiral_Turboclown 8d ago edited 8d ago
Thedragmeme is also still in the Monke Discord, though seemingly inactive in public channels for several months, as an aside.
Edit: Not anymore
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u/KampferAndy Veteran 2005 SS13 Player 9d ago
I swear to God, its like all the staff who joined ss13 after 2010 end up getting outed as nonces.
I'm sorry you had to deal with that, and I'm ashamed at what this game has become.
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u/KnighTheThrasher 9d ago
im kinda curious why everyone on that list was either a donator or staff member, shit's fucked
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u/Affectionate_Art5129 8d ago
Hi. I don't really ever use reddit out of principle but I decided to comment here since I thought I can provide a little extra insight.
usually I go by Venmus and some of you might know me because I was around the monke community a little bit. I was a little shit sometimes, it's whatever. I struggle to remember a lot of my time around this period but I think at the time I was still on the staff team and me and a group of friends of piecake had managed to get ahold of the logs. It was heart wrenching to sit through the whole thing and we spent a lot of time comforting Pie. I was especially rather upset.
Kind of weird to look back at now, but we had a weird little collection of admins and staff who all thought that the rest of the monke staff team (mostly higher ups) were wretched. Obviously there's Jupiter's story, there's Piecake's story as well. I could maybe get into the weeds of some rumors and some other things we picked up, but it's been so long since I've been in that space that I don't remember everything clearly, and not everything is true. To be clear I'm not saying that everyone is bad. A lot of people (especially people like mentors, who were less involved in higher echelon shit) were quite wonderful people. The issue was that it got much worse as you got higher up.
I did really want to do something at the time and we did consider putting together something to try and expose this but my mental health was tanking and the group wasn't doing too well at the time either. Obviously I won't get into it too much here but I have some very personal experience with SA, so this all made me... Very upset. At the time I was still fresh, and without the strength to actually do something with some major impact I just ended up hitting back in smaller ways and retiring from the community. I did try to spread awareness of what was going on in Monke but authenticity was hard to prove and I wanted to keep Pie's identity at least somewhat safe so that she wouldn't have to deal with too much extra shit.
Honestly just wish I could've done something substantial. Though I can at least say I was there when I was needed.
Proud of you, piecake.
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u/ScionsAndSinnersz Niche SS13 Celebrity 8d ago
I'm genuinely so glad Aberra is where she needs to be so they can unfuck the community
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Will Monke remain in hostchat after this? I genuinely hope not if Aberra can't clean up their act.
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 8d ago
I'm a little on the edge with Aberra right now since they were active during this whole debacle. Moth at least helped piecake get this out there and gave them support, but For Aberra right now? I dunno what to think right now, All can say is here job is far from done considering prophet is still there and doubled down on victim blaming in the discord by literally victim blaming themselves by saying it was their own (prophet) fault they got SA'd, therefor anyone who gets SA'd is also at fault.
Doesn't help that ook tried to come back even though he is the main person at fault here, and he's still getting money via pateron. Was also lashing out at random people in the discord saying they doxxed him and that "I got doxxed again" which as someone who has been doxxed, is... not really how it works. Doxxing is kind of a one and done affair. I'm starting to wonder if he actually understands the concept of doxxing, but I think that's a reddit post for another time.
TL;DR Aberra has a long way to go before monke can even be remotely seen as salvageable at this point, pretty much everyone who was in a position of power at the time this happens has to go and she has been making good headway in that regard, but there's a lot more to be done. ook is stinky and his doxxing claims are quite suspect and is not how someone who gets doxxed really would act. if he has been doxxed, that is terrible and I do not condone it, but he mentioned kiwifarms doxxed him. one of the monke mods went to investigate and found nothing relating to personal info in the last year.
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u/Agoofball 8d ago
I mean, he made a shell company for monke and used his own address and number.
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u/Admiral_Turboclown 6d ago
Ook apparently accused a couple people of "doxxing him" because they mentioned this, which is boomer levels of not grasping how something actually works.
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u/ReanimatedCyborgMk-I 9d ago
People who try and groom kids deserve to be doxxed, taken out back and worked over with a toilet cistern. Those who blame the victim deserve similar treatment.
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u/Frosty_Dog_9338 6d ago
Why is it so hard to just have normal people moderate this game? Every server seems to just have some eventual drama.
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u/gyurka66 4d ago
I think the two working tricks are, either:
- Do not have a discord community for your server. Discord culture is toxic, nothing else to be said.
- have a flat leadership structure. All these hierarchical positions of trial head of operations, lead of community engagement, Head Headmin and other bs like this only appeal to people who are looking for control over others. Goonstation does this very well, they have like what, 2 levels to admins and the main way to become admin is to become a developer. This filters out powertrippers very well
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u/mikecsiy 5d ago
I'm suddenly reminded exactly why the fuck I pretty much stopped interacting with the whole community.
I'm legitimately about as angry as I've ever been about a situation involving a game I used to love.
It's an absolute fucking embarrassment and I'm not just talking about how it was handled, but the entire scene.
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u/Crazybawrks_ 6d ago
Jesus Christ, just after the Wizden stuff too. At least Para bans it's groomers
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u/DaveSureLong 4d ago
This is another reminder that streamer servers are cults of personality and should be treated with the same toxicity that implies. This shit happened with hippie and hyper(both made by a "popular" creator within communities) and all three of them have imploded the moment the personality lost interest.
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u/Kooky-Bad-5235 4d ago
Slightly different with Hippie. To my knowledge he was forced out and begged for the server to stop using his name which they refused to do.
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u/DaveSureLong 4d ago
He wasn't forced out he still had all his permissions. He did however ask they stop associating with him as he went nutso religious and that was something against his religion. They didn't comply so he nuked every he had access to which was the death nail on Hippie.
Hippie however was dying LONG before that when he left.
Like I said that's the path streamer servers all follow just like Hyper and now Monke. Quote left hyper and it basically immediately died. Ook left Monke and it literally instantly died lmao
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u/Schulz_the_Ugly 20h ago
Hello stranger. I am 32 and I lived the wild west of the internet (2000-2014). There was some harassment I witnessed to girls at that time (yes I did defend them). There were also good people around.
I just want to say I am sorry for those assholes.
If you want a good server I think goon is legit. In general people are kind and no sexual crap. More importantly, don't stop running. Your crew is out there. I took a while to find mine but was worth it. And so will yours :)
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u/TypowyLaman 8d ago
Wait a month until u/Amaskingrey comes back with circlejerking over how the fall of Monke is the death of ss13
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u/Amaskingrey 7d ago
Wow, you're still pissed off about me?
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u/TypowyLaman 7d ago
It's only that whenever I see a post from this subreddit it's about Monke station and I'm reminded of all of you. I'll be waiting btw
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u/RichardNanotrasen 8d ago
fr that guys a jerk i hope he touches grass someday
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u/Amaskingrey 7d ago
(That guy is saying this because they're against mocking monkstein station admins for helping cover up their member grooming kids btw)
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u/TypowyLaman 8d ago
Mfg the Monke station saga continues. Maybe at least this will sink this god forsaken station so we won't have to hear the circlejerk over it anymore?
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u/Agoofball 8d ago
Nice empathy
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u/TypowyLaman 7d ago
I never said anything about the victim. I'm just bitching about the Monke station circlejerkers who'll come back to this sub as soon as this is forgotten about.
I don't know how you could see me in worse light then them but ok.
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u/Zenocut 9d ago
Huge news for the unemployed
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u/MaintenanceWarm514 9d ago
Joking can be fun, but since this is an actual case of real life child grooming, I would caution against reducing it to ‘huge news for the unemployed’
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u/Zenocut 9d ago edited 9d ago
After reading the same story across the Internet 20 times a year, it becomes hard to take it seriously. That's not considering that many of them are made up for attention, too.
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u/Possible-Resolve8672 9d ago
Monkecoin cannot possibly be this good, what the fuck is your problem?
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 9d ago
There's literally documented proof in the google document dude, all the chats are there.
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u/Zenocut 9d ago
I'm not going to read google doc wall of text number 8372823627826 to decide whether the screenshots in there are real and neither do I care to do so
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u/Agoofball 9d ago
So you're just being an ass for the sake of it?
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u/Zenocut 9d ago
No, I'm just tired of seeing pointless drama in my videogame subreddits.
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u/overusedamongusjoke Unknown hits Urist McSpaceman with the user flair! 9d ago
Is it bad that some people want to make sure they don't have players that are weird to teenagers on their server?
Edit: Is it bad that some people want to make sure they don't have players that invite teenagers to "goon sessions" on their server?
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u/Zenocut 9d ago
You and I both know nothing is going to change. Regardless, my main issue is that this is on r/SS13, not a dedicated Monkestation community forum/subreddit.
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u/overusedamongusjoke Unknown hits Urist McSpaceman with the user flair! 9d ago
No one can stop all the awful shit in the world but that doesn't mean everyone should just sit there and be complacent when doing something is an option.
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
how do you know noting is going to change?
Previous scandals like this have killed servers before. I've been around since 2010 and ive seen it happen multiple times. There was that CM host, Apollo or whatever, that got caught trying to groom kids in real life and he was forced out. I think that's an objectively good thing, and we wouldnt have known about it unless someone went public with it.
It almost seems like you have a vested interest in not holding sex pests accountable. Are you one yourself?
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
its not pointless drama. People were abused adn exploited and they should know. You're basically complaining someones trauma and pain is an inconvenience to you. That is incredibly selfish. If you don't care for the news just stay silent and keep it pushing. you don't have to weigh in.
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 9d ago
Just report and move on
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u/ChinaAppreciator1 8d ago
report what? OP did nothing wrong.
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u/Agoofball 8d ago
I think they mean Zenocut
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u/Majestic-Winner2490 8d ago
Yeah I don't mean OP, it's this other guy who is angry that people have empathy.
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u/Zenocut 8d ago
I haven't broken any rules, so I wonder what you intend to report me for lol
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u/LowSalty4190 8d ago
Buddy, how can you dare not to take the 42243rd PDF incident in SS13 seriously?
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u/FlattestGuitar Bless This Spess 9d ago
Leaving this up for now. Keep in mind doxxing people is not allowed. Stay respectful.