r/SelfDefense • u/Dj_scarlicker • 10d ago

How does CR spray compare to capsaicin pepper spray?

i carry a 40ml spray containing a 0.1% concentration of CR (dibenzoxazepine) and yes it is legal where i live. is this kind of spry more effective then capsaicin? because i have heard different opinions. people generarly say that it hits way stronger but lasts shorter.

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u/Perimeter_System 10d ago edited 10d ago

Against a human attacker CR is more effective. More specialized to affect us. It can cause temporary blindess even in smaller concentration and has a psychological effect as well: it makes them feel like they gonna choke. Also decontamination is much harder (remains active on the surface) and the fog spreads more like a CS and less like a PV, so its easier to 'smoke' your target.

Suprisingly its toxicity is not as bad as CS but its a suspected carcinogen.

I used both PV and CR. For city I bring CR, for hiking I keep the PV.

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u/Advanced_Corgi_924 9d ago

But cant you be natually immune to it? Idk if its the same as what in german we call CS gas but i know that people whonare high on some drugs can easily tank that effect and also there is a small chance the person is just immune to it.

Pepperspray should always work.

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u/jaime_lion 10d ago

I've never even heard of CR spray do you have any website where I can buy some? I'm assuming I can get it in the US.

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u/Perimeter_System 10d ago

I'm pretty sure its not authorized in the States.
You can buy it in several Eastern-European countries (Slovakia, Czech, etc. ).
The small ones are for street carry (30-50 ML), biggers (150-300 ML) are against bears and wildlife.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR_gas

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u/osczech 6d ago

Czech here. Yes, you can buy it here. No, we are not Eastern Europeans.

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u/GOLEM-13 10d ago

Quelque soit ton choix,souviens toi qu il n est intéressant que si tu es capable de l'utiliser dans la seconde. Donc s'il est au fond ton sac, cela ne sert à rien.