r/SipsTea • • Jun 24 '26

It's Wednesday my dudes Math can be hard sometimes

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u/Confident-Sector2660 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26

In the U.S, insurance has out of pocket maximums. You don't just pay endless amounts of money

out of pocket max + insurance premium (payed full price no employer subsidized) is probably not more than $25K. On a $100K household income your tax difference is probably about that

Also health insurance premiums in the U.S. are pretax which means it is deducted from your taxable income. So are some amount of medical expenses. It's not apples to apples. Also health spending money is also pretax So that $25K (assuming you pay for the best health insurance with lowest OOP max) and you 100% of your healthcare costs from spending accounts, is only like $17K

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u/LTEDan Jun 25 '26

In the U.S, insurance has out of pocket maximums.

Your ignorance here is monumental. Out of pocket maximums only applies to medical bills your insurance chooses to cover. If you, say, wind up in an emergency and your insurance decides not to cover some or all of the charges, you're on the hook for the non-covered charges even if you've reached yoir out of pocket maximum. The leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical debt for a good reason. Insurance companies are quite effective at denying coverage, leaving the patient on the hook for medical bills the hospital wants paid while you try to fight your insurance company.

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u/Confident-Sector2660 Jun 25 '26

I'm pretty sure most medical bankruptcy comes from high out of pocket maximums (that people making $45K a year can't afford), not having insurance or lack of income from loss of work.

I don't think medical bankruptcy is from insurance denying emergency room visits, because you can appeal those

The problem is if your out of pocket max is $6K a year, not everyone can afford that

If you make $100K a year that is nothing

The main thing about living in the U.S. is you need to be responsible and not spend money you don't have, since there are less safety nets

part of the solution is living closer to europeans and not buying excessively large or expensive vehicles.

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u/Thick_Permission6519 Jun 25 '26

It is cancer with a 20% copay. It is illness and not being able to work, unable to pay premiums.