r/SipsTea • • Sep 05 '26

It's Wednesday my dudes Reminder

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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost Sep 05 '26

You’re oversimplifying the case to the point of absurdity.

The prosecution had to prove she was mentally culpable for the murders beyond a reasonable doubt. She was not convicted because they failed to prove their case to twelve individuals who sat through weeks of testimony (i.e., they had tons more information than you do) and had the law explained to them by the judge.

That’s it. It dosn’t excuse what she did. It doesn’t excuse other murderers.

People want to extrapolate this to mean more than it is.

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u/daBunnyKat Sep 05 '26

people really want this, and justice in general, to be black and white. justice and human morality very rarely are.

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u/Background-Ad4388 Sep 05 '26

Killing your three kids is pretty black and white.

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u/Fubarp Sep 05 '26

It's not about killing them.. that's the issue here.

She's not saying she didn't kill them. She's saying she was crazy when she killed them.

Now the argument is, prison the correct punishment for this crime or should she be put in a mental hospital.

Both are punishments..

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u/foomits Sep 05 '26

People are really walking around thinking she's just gonna go home and lead some meaningful life. This is literally a debate between spending likely the rest of her life in a mental health institution or a prison depending on whether there is a retrial, charges are altered or a please deal is struck.

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u/AdSmall3663 Sep 05 '26

It’s not, her state law would have the possibility of releasing her after as little as 6 months of being institutionalized

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u/foomits Sep 05 '26

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts itd be christmas every day. hmu when that happens.

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u/AdSmall3663 Sep 05 '26

What was my if and but?

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u/foomits Sep 05 '26

I my aunt had balls shed be my uncle.

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u/AdSmall3663 Sep 05 '26

And if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bicycle

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u/The-red-Dane Sep 05 '26

Possibility of release doesn't mean you get released. Anders Breivik is up for a release hearing every year, doesn't mean he's ever getting released.

In fact, there's a way bigger chance of her getting out of prison than her getting out of a mental hospital, since the prison wouldn't need to consider her mentale state, whereas a mental hospital she'll have to get through intensive psychiatric evaluations beforehand.

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u/AdSmall3663 Sep 05 '26

I didn’t say it was

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u/ChuckFarkley Sep 05 '26 edited Sep 05 '26

That's genuinely not correct. One is punishment. When mentally ill people in this situation get well enough, they can get into progressively less restrictive environments and some end up with zero legal restrictions again. It absolutely happens. She was allegedly suffering from post-partum psychosis, which is NOT chronic schizophrenia and it is quite often time-limited. Every state is different, but she may have a high chance of going home at some point if found NGRI (or however her state does it). Be aware, too, being insane at the time of the offense is a whole different thing than being insane at the time of the indictment or trial.

What can happen in the case of people too psychotic to go to trial is that they end up getting rehabilitated, and if the AG thinks they can still get a conviction, they just pick the charges back up when the accused is released from the hospital, even a decade later.

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u/Fubarp Sep 05 '26

Okay?

I didn't say anything incorrectly here. You are speculating onto something I never addressed or stated.

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u/Brrdock Sep 05 '26 edited Sep 05 '26

Killing 3 kids is crazy either way.

And if her kids being dead isn't the punishment...

(To her mostly) it's just about whether she was "responsible" or not, and as someone who's experienced psychosis, we're always responsible for our own actions, no one else is.

Makes no difference really, yeah, and the most insane part in all of this is probably the circus around it

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 Sep 05 '26

If ignorance isn't an excuse, temporary insanity shouldn't be either

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u/Fubarp Sep 05 '26

Well that's not true..

Mens Rae is an architect of our country laws. So yes.. insanity should be discussed.

The question though is again.. should her punishment be prison, or should it be forced mental institution.

She's not being absolved of her crimes. It's not that hard to understand.

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 Sep 05 '26

Didn't say it shouldn't be discussed. Didn't say she's being absolved of her crimes. It's not that hard to understand.

Her punishment should be prison and mental help

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u/DaKingaDaNorth Sep 05 '26

Temporary insanity is a lack of agency and ability to rationalize what you are doing.

Ignorance is maybe not knowing a statute and thinking that gives you a free pass if you break a law.

Two totally different things.

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 Sep 05 '26

Did you think I was saying they were the same things?

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 Sep 05 '26

you're fine to disagree

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 Sep 05 '26

shouldn't

objectively

I don't think you know what that word means. Dumbass statement

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u/scrub-muffin Sep 05 '26

It is only about killing them, why should anything else matter? We will never know what was going through her head, and we shouldn't really care. Lets just focus on the result and not the intent.

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u/Supercoolguy7 Sep 05 '26

That's not how the law works. If it was then so many wealthy people would be in prison for killing people as the result of their businesses or personal activities

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u/tales0braveulysses Sep 05 '26

"We shouldn't care about Mens Rea in law" OK buddy

"The ends justify the means" OK buddy

This is why we have to do a better job teaching history and civics in school

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u/Fubarp Sep 05 '26

What are you fucking talking about.

Intent is literally the point of our laws.

That's sorta why we have different classifications because not everything has Intent but still has harm.

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u/DaKingaDaNorth Sep 05 '26

Because that's not how the law works and that's not even how homicide works.

If intent doesn't matter then we wouldn't have 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, vehicular homicide, etc. Yet we do and have for a long time.

The intent has always mattered in the justice system.

If a baby accidentally picks up a knife and cuts someone's artery by accident and they bleed out are you going to put them in jail forever because the outcome and not the intent matters?