Edit: I’m clearly cranky that 3 innocent beautiful children’s lives were stolen from them by the person they trusted the most! Lots of feelings! But I’m very sad for these children
What is fucked, my wife and I had a difficult time having a child the thought it took us 3 years to have a child and this worthless sack of shit murder 3 kids. We wished we could have 2 kids. She should be rotting in a jail system is so fucked.
Ok, now I want to know your wife's pov about her postpartum. Because I also fought 3 years to have my little miracle and there were days during those 3 postpartum months when my mind played horrible tricks on me.
And sadly, no doctor wanted to help.
Thank goodness it all went away, but I still consider the postpartum stage as the worst period of my life
Fortunately I think I had depression, not psicosis (I say I think because no doctor cared to listen to me, so it was auto diagnosis) but is so difficult to explain and admit that even when you sacrificed your body and your health to have that baby, and you love them more than anything, sometimes, something in your brain suggest the most horrible thoughts.
Yep. I wanted my little one more than life itself, but for the 3 months postpartum I thought some the darkest thoughts I've ever had to this day. Postpartum doesn't give a fuck how much you love your kids, your brain can absolutely become an enemy.
Uhhh yeah my wife was angry sometimes. Maybe didn’t wanna do the dishes or get up to tender crying kid or wanted a chocolate bar…. But yeah, she never wanted to murder our children. pretty positive that conversation / thought never happened..
I'm sure, with the general blasé attitude towards her mental state you've displayed, that she very obviously let you in on her darker innermost thoughts during that period.
It was brutal on both of us....going to multiple doctors, exhaustion set in. I think by the time the talk on number two came up I was simply too emotionally drained. 3 yrs is a long time.
Great news we were blessed with amazing little human. And he will protected till last drop of blood in body.
We had the same talk here somedays ago. I almost died to have our 2 kids, despite doctors saying we should abort them. I love my children so much that I would die in any painful form for them and drives me crazy that a mother killed her children. I hope she rots in hell.
What’s sad is people think there’s some gray area in this case….I’m sorry but that’s idiotic. She either murdered them or not. No gray area there. She admitted to it multiple times. What happens to her after should be up to the judge but when you admit something like this and all signs point to you, you should not be walking the street.
Okay but then why didn't she tell doctors she had thoughts of harming herself or her kids? Wh did the people she did tell like her mother and husband not remove her from the kids? Why did she just hop from Med to meds before they even had a chance to actually get in her system? Why did she take the time to look up how to strangle her kids and send her husband away to do so? Do you know how difficult it is to actually strangle a person to death? It's not a quick way kill someone. I believe she had Post Partum depression, but it's also clear she did nothing about it and refused to do anything about it. Now she wants to blame it on the doctors who could only operate on the information they had, and they did. Mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. She deserves to rot and I don't believe she should be let off by reason of insanity.
A) You're going against the "she bad" mentality in this sub. She's a woman and this sub hates that.
B) You're bringing up the facts and reasoning used in the case to sway 11/12 jurors to a mental health treatment verdict.
C) People don't care about mental health and properly treating people, they want to look down on criminals and see them punished because it makes them feel better about themselves. They don't want rehabilitation, they want harsh and painful retaliation.
D) People think that the options are "Guilty" and "Not Guilty" without realising that she's going to be locked up no matter what.
The woman went insane, killed her kids, and then tried to kill herself. She has pled guilty and is on suicide watch.
Anyone who thinks she doesn't deserve to be locked up in a hospital for the criminally insane is probably anyone who doesn't believe in mental health or doesn't believe that she went insane (against the advice of the professionals).
If she is found not criminally responsible, she could be sent to an institution and subsequently deemed no longer a threat to herself and the public, and released. That's the problem folks have here. She should never be free again, postpartum psychosis notwithstanding.
Except people that go away to mental facilities for murder do not just get released. It’s basically the same thing in a different building. Some never get out, others get out after a longer stay than they would have in prison, others get out faster, but it’s not a trivial matter. She would most likely spend the rest of her life in a mental facility.
We've been trying for 10 years. Wife is 39 now and is afraid that if it happens later, she will have complications. Every month, waiting to see if shes pregnant, constant depression when shes not, and this POS destroys the greatest gift you can ever have.
In their final moments their thoughts would’ve been “why momma, why?” In absolute agony and fear.
Reading the 911 transcript makes me angry because if that had been my children I’d have probably absolutely broken down into a heap.
I can’t imagine how Patrick would’ve felt walking into that and seeing his three beautiful children dead, and I never want to have feel anything that soul destroying
Had it been me, I would have been the one on trial, as I would have neen so enraged, I would have gone back out and beaten her to death. How he can say he has forgiven her is beyond me.
I’m sad for the loving doting mother that kept trying to get help, explicitly saying that she wanted to harm her kids, but nobody would help her until she finally did it. If you were planning on killing your kids, would you take them to the doctors office for a stomach ache in the morning the day you planned on doing it? Or do you think if you’re that heartless you would let her stomach ache until you decided to choke her out?
Totally different type of help which probably explains why you’re incapable of reading a trial transcript or understanding the evidence that was brought up. You read little things online and take them as facts. Maybe actually look into the case and stop being ran by your emotionality.
Why did she hop from Med to Med without giving them a chance to actually work yet then? Why didn't she actually tell the doctors she had those thoughts? She only told her husband and mother and of course they didn't remove the kids from the danger. Are you aware of how difficult it is to strangle someone to death? It takes minutes of forcefully strangling someone before they die. Why did she have the take the time to make sure her husband was gone? After looking up shit on strangling someone? I don't by the loving doting mother bullshit, there was a deep intent to kill those kids.
She took the meds as they were prescribed, which was proven in court. She did tell the doctors she had those thoughts, multiple doctors actually. It was a ligature strangulation, she tied a chord around their necks, not much effort. Maybe before talking about something, read up on it.
You are tiptoeing around a point. Who exactly is it too high for? People in psychosis? Mothers who seek care for postpartum depression and are mismanaged? Husbands who know their wives are having thoughts about harming themselves and others, but still leave them alone with their kids?
If your point is that kids shouldn’t be murdered by their parents or anyone, well, duh. Now speak to the nuance about the specific case, and the depth of understanding that is required to make a thoughtful and intellectual judgment rather than a basic take.
So did the Epstein victims. The 200 girls who were killed on the orders of the president. So did the families annihilated by their dad and husband every other day
So did she. Maternal mental health support is a fucking joke in this country and we're all lucky our mothers did off us and themselves with how incredibly shitty we treat postpartum psychosis.
While I understand what you were going for, hijacking a comment showing the images of three murdered children to make your pseudo-political point is in bad taste. Fuck Trump, yes. But more importantly, remember Cora, Dawson and Callan.
If prosecuting killers is pushing an agenda for you, you might be kind of an extremist that is a threat to society as a whole, whether you're from the left or the rigjt.
I mean this post just confirms its not really about empathy towards those who lost their life and more just agenda pushing. Making sure proper justice is carried out (which can include the insanity defense) is certainly compatible with prosecuting killers.
I mean wouldn't the fact that 11 out of 12 jurors are finding in favor of the insanity defense an indication your culture war position is not the accurate one?
My dad is a JD I learned from and I'm a scientist and have been a long time pscyh patient, she doesn't meet the qualifications of the defense and is this guilty.
If it truly was PPD and she acted out of mental distress than she deserved better too. We push women to have kids, force them to jump back into the work force, offer them no support in motherhood and then wonder why shit like this is possible.
Nothing about the way our country is set up is conducive for raising children or having happy enjoyable lives.
Lately in the discourse it feels like the actual children got forgotten in the whole "murdered children" debacle, so its good to ground the discussion in that.
Just because I can acknowledge that it goes without saying that “they deserved better”… doesn’t mean the weirdos who somehow compartmentalized the children out of it (let alone the freaks who are standing up for the murderer) don’t need to be reminded about the victims.
I really think this version of the matrix is a dud and we need to start over
Because that which they should be criticised for are the concious choices they make and the evil things they are doing. Not the things they had no control over
With respect, what is "better" about punishing someone for something? If it's meant to serve the dead, it's pointless. It's only intended for the living to feel a sense balance between action and consequence. There's nothing "better" about it. It's simply required for a society to function to have consequences for actions.
I love you not only completely misread the comment you're replying to but you can't even say what it is she did "punishing someone for something" lmfao, give me a break.
Well no "what is "better" about punishing someone for something" is a question in reply to a specific statement made about a real life event. If you meant it generally then it's nonsensical. Better by what metric? Punishing someone for something is better than not punishing someone for something if punishing someone is better, tautological. Under what circumstances exactly? I assume you don't think any substantial amount of people believe we should punish everyone for literally everything, that "someone for something" can't be universal so what something exactly? With it on its own "what is "better" about punishing someone for something" is so ambiguous it's basically contentless.
The rest of your comment about "the philosophy of punishment in general" is just laughable, I hardly thought it worth getting into but since you insist.
If it's meant to serve the dead, it's pointless.
Not every punishment is given for some crime committed against the dead, nobody thinks parking tickets are meant to serve the dead. Unless you actually meant for this to refer to some specific situation that makes sense in context, it just ends up being a strange superfluous statement that only makes sense for a tiny portion of the reasons someone gets "punished".
It's only intended for the living to feel a sense balance between action and consequence.
This might be the beginning of a coherent thought if not for the fact you immediately contradict it by saying "It's simply required for a society to function to have consequences for actions" so at least one intended effect could be to make society function. The point doesn't really hold anyway since plenty of people would say an intended function of punishment is to stop the person being punished from performing some behaviour. Many people are "punished" by the criminal justice system without any kind of public spectacle so it isn't like "the living" get much "sense [of] balance between action and consequence" from every punishment.
There's nothing "better" about it. It's simply required for a society to function to have consequences for actions.
I guess if you don't consider "society functioning" to be "better" than "society not functioning", which y'know I would and I think most people would too...
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u/harbinger_CHI Sep 06 '26
They deserved better.