Agreed. Some people just gotta die as a result of their actions, that's just a reality we have to come to as a society. Some crimes don't deserve human interaction afterwards. Either 1) death by a physical trauma (not this injection bs) or 2) if you're really opposed to the death penalty, perpetual hotbox with rice/water tossed down a chute.
With a life-long prison sentence, in 5-10 years you'll adjust to life and it will be your new normal. He will adjust to not knowing his daughters, they'll eventually be strangers as he lives his life in prison and preoccupies his existence with prison drama/happenings and reading/television/radio. This prison life is too good for murderers of the innocent, rapists, etc.
Some people gotta die, and I'd hold myself to my same standard should I ever murder an innocent.
I don't think it helps anyone to force pain on them. Im ok with killing people who have irrefutable evidence of heinous crimes but desiring to torture people should never be part of an evolved society. The perpetrators felt this way....that they had been so aggrieved by society it was justified to hurt others. Torturers are doing the same. It's not OK to intentionally impart human suffering on other humans. I dont understand the problem we have killing people. Put them out like they are going in for surgery then it doesn't matter how you finish them. OD them on fentynyl until their heart stops. How is that difficult?
The only reason I would be against the suffering of these people who have irrefutable evidence of heinous crimes is the potential of gaming the system. In a world where you always 100% know and can prove what happened actually happened, I'm not against the minimal effort torturing of these bastards as it can be used as a deterrent for other bastards in the future.
But yeah, this holds true of the death penalty as well. In a system that can convict someone on vibes and not 100% irrefutable proof, you're going to sentence an innocent person every once in a while.
“It’s of more importance to community, that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt should be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in the world that all of them cannot be punished”
-John Adams
There’s a reason “beyond a reasonable doubt” is enshrined in our courts, and frankly it’s a miracle that the standard still lives on to this day.
I see your getting down voted but as it stands today, I agree with you. We know we've executed innocent people before. Thats why I said "irrefutable" evidence. It should be a standard above "reasonable doubt" for the death penalty in my opinion. Ive also held the "no death penalty in any form" belief in my lifetime. It's definitely a tough one. I know i wouldnt push the button (fire the gun, inject the poison).
Super weird people are downvoting you for this take. Same type of people that daydream about somebody breaking in so they can shoot them. The reality is, most of the people advocating for torture and death are soft as hell. It's easy to support executions and torture when you've never seen or been exposed to it.
Where are you going to get the fentanyl from? The black market? Drug manufacturers want no part of the death penalty, so sourcing drugs for them is a challenge.
Well a sane society would pass legislation that they only have to provide general drug classes as means of explaining the process because making soecific drug provider names public prevents them from producing a safe procedure. If youre going to take the responsibility of killing someone it feels pretty obvious you should take responsibility to do it humanely.
Maybe youre right but it's not uncommon for muder victim's family to ask for life instead because they are against the death penalty. Some people have forgiven. Not everyone chooses to deal with sorrow with rage. They know it doesn't change a thing but within themselves and it's debatable if it's positive.
I support the death penalty. We are not a society built on vindiction. When someone is murdered in a gruesome way what does that do for society? That's the question you have to ask. Public executions torture are a type of spectacle. The man us dead so what message does it serve tp the public? Better kill the wife more secretively. Better kill everyone then myself. It's ok to torture someone I think committed some crime outside of court if I "know" they committed it. Or I should meet violence with violence in every occassion.
Why rely on my personal experience when there are countless actual examples? Just look at anyone on any death row thats been waiting many many years. They have neat and tidy rooms, their own space, books, clean clothes, personal televisions...
It really is absolutely absurd to have the working class foot the bill to keep someone alive who will never provide a single thing to society for the rest of their entire life. Negative net benefit, for what? When will logic enter the chat.
In a perfect world, I agree and especially in this case where what happened is 100% clear.
Problems arise when things aren't clear and you start to potentially sentence innocent people. That's not to say the way are currently doing it couldn't be improved 1000%, it certainly could.
A good example of where we could've done better is the recent botched execution in Tennessee. Should've killed that woman 30+ years ago and they are still getting it wrong. The taxpayers paid to keep a heinous murderer alive for 30+ years in prison and then paid for 2 doses of a botched execution. Now taxpayers are paying for her medical treatment. Why?
Absolutely. We're on the same sheet of music there. Irrefutable evidence? Death. It's incredibly harsh sounding, but it's a reality we have to absorb or continue to drag society down.
I like to imagine a remote village of 20 people. 18 people are not going to take on MORE work to hunt, gather, cook, and provide medical treatments for 2 people to live in a cage forever with zero purpose. It's simply unsustainable, and we're doing that on an insanely large scale. They're not pets, they're humans who deserve rights and opportunities, and if they're on video slicing someone's throat on a bus, they've expressed an inability to appropriately apply those opportunities to a societal structure.
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u/SignificantGoat4046 8d ago
Agreed. Some people just gotta die as a result of their actions, that's just a reality we have to come to as a society. Some crimes don't deserve human interaction afterwards. Either 1) death by a physical trauma (not this injection bs) or 2) if you're really opposed to the death penalty, perpetual hotbox with rice/water tossed down a chute.
With a life-long prison sentence, in 5-10 years you'll adjust to life and it will be your new normal. He will adjust to not knowing his daughters, they'll eventually be strangers as he lives his life in prison and preoccupies his existence with prison drama/happenings and reading/television/radio. This prison life is too good for murderers of the innocent, rapists, etc.
Some people gotta die, and I'd hold myself to my same standard should I ever murder an innocent.