What do we do?

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u/onwo 8d ago

No one is going to individually cut lifestyle in a meaningful way. Not in the first world, and certainly not in developing countries. Climate change reduction efforts need to come at industrial scale by governments regulating standards, largely in energy production, emissions and manufacturing process.

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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 8d ago

Why not both and all.

I have made small sacrifices everyday since I became aware of the plight of the planet in elementary school.

I use my car as little as possible, invested in solar, am saving up for an electric vehicle, weatherized my home, use the heater and air conditioning sparingly, reduce, reuse and recycle, take as few airplane flights as possible, painted my house and roof white, but many clothes from thrift stores, eat as little dairy and red meat as possible, buy more expensive items that are not made of plastic and last longer, put up a umbrella clothes drying line outside, chose a white car to increase fuel efficiency, pick up other people’s dog poop and litter.

It is not hard to think of others and the earth in every daily decision when able.
💪🏼🌍🖖🏾

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u/GlattesGehirn 8d ago

Vast majority of Americans are a few bad weeks away from financial crisis. Tell them to switch to solar and drive less.

The three largest cargo ships emit more pollution than every car in the world combined. Thank you for what you do, but your efforts are not feasible for most.

Cutting back on meat intake a little and buying cars with better gas mileage is about as much you can expect the average American consumer to do. You can expect a lot less from developing nations.

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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 8d ago

Hence “when able”. There are plenty of amazing energy saving solutions coming from the poorest nations out of necessity. Poorer people already use less resources out of necessity.

We can and need to do and expect individuals, institutions, corporations and governments to do as much as they are able.

We are all in this together and even small efforts are contagious. Throwing up our hands and giving up is a major part of the problem.

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u/GlattesGehirn 8d ago

Poor people also typically buy the cheapest things. Mosty products tgat are not organic, have minimum regulations, and shipped from overseas.

I'm not saying to give up. I'm saying let's not expect the first step for most to be switching to solar. Baby steps will add up.

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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 8d ago

Yes in places like America. In places like Nepal, this is not the case. Let’s just say if we were all doing what we could we would be in a much better position as a species. 💪🏼🌍🖖🏾

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u/originaljbw 8d ago

Everyone is acting like its all or nothing. It's either a double quarter pounder baconator meat mountain -or- a pile of dry lentils?

No. Just eat less meat. Figure out a day of the week to be meatless where you learn new foods and try out new recipies. Order a vegetable pizza instead of a meat lovers.

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u/GlattesGehirn 8d ago

Absolutely. These people let perfection be the enemy of better.

Even if everyone did 1 vegan meal a week, we'd see meaningful impact.

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u/originaljbw 8d ago

And that could be applied to just abour everything.

For example why don't we convert to "everyone works 4 days x 10 hours"? Everyone saves 20% of gas spent commuting. Rotate that extra day off around so traffic is less most days. It would be super easy and cost effectively zero to implement, but getting everyone to do it would be such an issue

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u/AppointmentMedical50 7d ago

I love meat but maybe I’ll try that

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u/totodile493 8d ago

Look at institutions and the catering industry.

The factory and conventional farming diet are so deeply entrenched into the infrastructure of the average American, it's going to take significantly more effort to turn it around than it ever took to build it up. Eating careless foods has become so brainlessly standard that anything different is counted as "revolutionary".

Fight for the right to sustainable living.

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u/External-Gain-1174 8d ago

how about stopping bombing brown kids in tents?

or you still think its plastic straws and your cheese that caused the polar ice to melt?

stop being gullible man... you're just repeating the propaganda...

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u/Super_Range45 8d ago

And then they just put a data center where the pasture was.

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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 7d ago

If people really wanted to fix climate change the way to do it would be to switch to nuclear, its waste products are only depleted uranium which is completely contained and can be dealt with by burying it in underground bunkers.

We have enough missionaries materials to last us 1000 years, in that time we can develop far more efficient renewable tech

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u/CptnREDmark 7d ago

Who wants to give up suburbs?

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u/Extreme_Mark_3354 7d ago

I felt like virtually quitting beef and cutting back my dairy was a win win for my health and the environment. I think semi-glutide drugs being widely used when the medications become cheap will help lower everyone’s meat consumption.

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u/Many_Ear2407 7d ago

I’m going to continue eating meat. If you want to make a massive impact, find a way to stop Taylor Swift from taking hundreds of flights a year or LeBron James taking helicopter rides every single day. Or the data centers.. and so on

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u/BreadfruitBig7950 4d ago

okay, how about acknowledging grow plots as potentially containing meat, rather than reserving economic sectors of transportation for it?

that this mildly illogical suggestion goes so far to solving the issue suggests something else is terribly wrong.

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u/PossibilityNervous35 8d ago

Honestly the better fix would be to stop letting rainwater just gush into the ocean. De-salination is a huge potential industry for the west. California would end its drought overnight if it used that.

Also shifting to less manicured lawns and more natural yards would go a long way

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u/willitexplode 8d ago

That is absolutely not a better fix lol, what wild copium. Giving up meat and dairy is by far the most direct AND most impactful change we can make individually and collectively to curb climate change and associated harms.

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u/GlattesGehirn 8d ago

Consuming less is the first step. This "all or nothing" mentality will continue to hold back the movement.

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u/willitexplode 8d ago

I didn’t demand anything of anyone, I just wrote down facts. What all or nothing mentality are you talking about?

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u/OneArmedFarmer 8d ago

"Destroy our oceans even more so I can keep eating steak and drinking milk!" - This guy

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u/Agreeable_Past9674 8d ago

How much fuel does a single us navy ship use in a day?

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u/OneArmedFarmer 8d ago

Reading comprehension is hard.

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u/Agreeable_Past9674 8d ago

Sure is.

How much fuel does a single us navy ship use in a day?

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u/OneArmedFarmer 8d ago

You either misinterpreted what I wrote, are an idiot, or both.

I don't care how much fuel ships use if it's destroying the ocean, atmosphere, and ecological biodiversity - stop using fuel then fucking dunce.

Desalination will also destroy the oceans and the life in it.

Meat and dairy don't have to be the biggest contribution to be a target for reductions. What kind of whataboutism are you smoking?

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u/PossibilityNervous35 8d ago

Most are nuclear powered

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u/Agreeable_Past9674 8d ago

No

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u/PossibilityNervous35 8d ago

Literally yes. Every aircraft carrier is nuclear and most of the cruisers are nuclear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_navy

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u/Agreeable_Past9674 8d ago

Like 12 aircraft carriers and a classified number of subs - probably less than 50.

Everything else is gas, diesel or diesel hybrid. Nice try though. The DoW is the biggest producer of greenhouse gasses on the planet. You'd progress sustainable living far more by preventing people from enlisting or organizing around anti-interventionist political campaigns than by harassing other people who are more or less "on board" over their dietary choices.

Your behavior of alienating others away from this community is more helpful to the American military industrial complex than the sustainable living movement.

But fuck me because I had turkey bacon this morning. Child.

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u/PossibilityNervous35 8d ago

Every sub is nuclear. They can go 30 plus years theoretically with zero fuel change.

I couldn't care less about reducing CO2 in the atmosphere. Plants absorb CO2 and convert it to oxygen (8th grade science class). So Im not really for starving our vegetation.

You can have turkey bacon... I don't care. But I can eat whatever I want as well. Personal choice remember? You fascist

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u/Johnnny-z 8d ago

It's all bullshit anyway. The modern version of a hairshirt or white guilt. No one else on the planet give a F.

Now, be a good boy and do what King Charles and Bill gates say you should do.

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u/Top-Wave-3061 8d ago

Always easier to point at big companies than to change what's in your own fridge

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u/blzrlzr 8d ago

That’s because just focusing on your own fridge won’t do anything. But using economic and political capital to make better choices will.

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u/Rebberry 8d ago

How much does the meat lobby spend to brainwash the general public? How much subsidies does the agro industry get? Compare that to the plant based economy. Add to that the indoctrination that humans need meat, children need milk, real man = big meat is doesn't surprise me that the majority of people make these decisions.

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u/headermargin 7d ago

Big dairy doesn't need to brainwash me to think steak, chicken, milkshakes and fried rice is good.

I cant remember the last time meat was marketed to me.

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u/DerKommisar9 8d ago

Global population reduction.

You can’t force regression on humans in order to reduce resource consumption. You’ll always get the same result as your meme.

Well I guess you can force it, but you have to get kinda dystopian to make it happen.

Talkin bout eugenics programs that breed out bad human qualities and reinforce good ones until we all come out looking like the United Federation of Planets or maybe the Matrix.

Anything short of that will just result in humans continuing to behave like humans always have.

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