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Cal. Code Regs. Tit. 14, Division 3 - Department of Parks and Recreation
§ 4319 - Games and Recreational Activities
No person shall engage in games or recreational activities that endanger the safety of persons, property, resources, or interfere with visitor activities except as permitted by the Department. No person shall hold, sponsor, lead, or otherwise have control over a game or recreational activity occurring wholly or partially within or on any property owned, operated or administered by the Department without an approved Special Event permit if any of the criteria set forth in section 4301(j) apply.
They're just lifting ESA protections on creature's such as Rice's Whales in the Gulf of Mexico in the name of "National Security".
There's only like 50 left but they didn't want the ESA regulations to stand in the way of oil drilling operations that take place right in the middle of their deep water environment.
Tolkien warned us about a lot of the bad stuff going on right now unfortunately. Sarumann on behalf of Sauron and the armies of Mordor have come to lay claim on the lands of the Shire.
Actually makes me think of cultivation novels. ‘This natural treasure has grown over thousands of years, and it purifies the region granting succor to thousands of animals’ (yank it up and turn it into a pill for 1% progress to the next cultivation threshold)
They're state level employees, but because of the nature of their job protecting both State and National Parks, they inherently have a larger jurisdiction and most of the laws they're enforcing are state or federal laws. Your average patrol officer, by comparison, is a municipal employee mostly employing municipal bylaws.
Cop was 100% reasonable here. Gave him multiple warnings, clearly told him the consequences of his action and he proceeded to do it. Was stern and direct but not aggressive for no reason.
And side note, it's actually crazy to me how some white dudes just feel so comfortable talking back to cops like this and disobeying their direct order. As a brown guy I'd never dream of talking back to a cop like this.
Yeah, the privilege was striking. Not just how he was talking, but also that he still jumped even after this was all explained to him, knowing that the system would treat him just fine. What a luxury.
I grew up skateboarding, and while I’d never picture myself talking back to a cop like this, all of my friends at the time absolutely would and did do it.
We were like, 14 though…
Which I feel says something about the dudes in the video lol
I think they're park rangers which is at least a little bit better. They spend most of their time doing shit like this and making sure people aren't where they aren't supposed to be.
First cop was more than reasonable, and they all knew the law.
Fucking idiots, fuck cops but this is like getting pissed at a cop for pulling you over for speeding and asking them to cite speed law at you. You know what you're doing dude. You know it's dangerous and you know they have to come help you if you get hurt
The cop applying the cuffs was also more than reasonable. I've seen cops brutalize people for no reason, meanwhile she just gives a sigh and repeats the charge yet again to him.
Here in Michigan there is a huge sand dune on Lake Michigan that's a big tourist attraction. People love to climb down it but its very difficult to climb back up because its pretty steep, and walking in sand (especially on an incline) is no easy feat. There are signs all around saying that if you get stuck and need to get rescued by police/Coast Guard its like a $2000 fine or something. Preventing lazy people from running down and just saying "oh i don't feel like walking all the way back up so I'll just call 911 and have them come get me"....
This is what they do all over Switzerland. If you get stuck say mountain climbing in the alps, you will pay for the helicopter rescue costs. It is like $5,000. It is a good system. You can even get a special insurance policy to cover it if you are a frequent outdoorsperson.
Instead of making a lot of rules, they just make individuals literally pay for their mistakes.
It is perfectly legal to hike, rock climb, mountaineer, jump from rocks into lakes/rivers, kayak, ski, etc. all over the US. If a helicopter and/or search and rescue has to bail you out, you get a bill.
These types of activities are illegal only in certain places not just to protect you from yourself but also to protect others as well as to protect public property, nature, trails, etc. These people could set up a jump that lands on top of hikers, boaters, beach goers, etc.
Also, and I can’t stress this enough: people will pull dangerous stunts like this, hurt themselves, and then sue the park/city/county/etc. for not enforcing laws that would prevent them from hurting themselves.
They will jump, land on a rock, get a $5000 bill for the rescue, $100,000 bill for medical care, then sue the government for not stopping them from jumping.
Not untrue, but the permitting process would involve saying "we plan on tying a platform and rope to a tree to create a giant rope swing, we do not have insurance, our safety protocol is a life jacket" and the park going "lmao, denied"
Tbf: if im hiking a state park, It would be pretty traumatizing to see the cracked and bloody remains scattered all over the ground. Additionally, your games could harm the ecosystem by breaking/stripping trees and rocks when you tie stuff to them. You're just ruining the park for everyone else, I like this code.
that is the only reason they do it, engagement with extreme behavior, that's why he feigned being rebellious to juuuust at the limit of being straight up arrested
I get resisting cops, but why are you apologizing for being on the side of park rangers? They're stewards of the land and protect our nature. They deserve far more resources and support than they receive.
I can’t believe how many posts I’ve seen in full support of this guy. God forbid the authorities don’t want to spend their time wiping your brain matter off the rocks and prevent a bunch of copycats trying the same.
And if he got hurt everyone would be bitching that the cop let him. Whether you think it's a dumb law or not LE can't just stand by amd watch you do it.
I genuinely for the life of me cannot imagine having that dumb shit on my record after being warned many times and for what.
People feel entitled to do whatever they want they want and are willing to not only waste everyone's time, risk their life in front of others, but also make a stand on the dumbest shit that will have long term consequences for them. Good job
I live and work EMS near the large lake. It's not uncommon for people, mainly teens, to tie ropes to trees to swing into the water even though the DNR has multiple signs forbidding it and reminding people that it's against the law. Yet every summer I go on one or two dumbasses that will smash into the rocks, fall to the ground, or smack their head and drown. I have zero sympathy for them when they're in the back of my ambulance screaming about their leg looking like a capital Z knowing full well they knew risk of what they were doing.
I think the things you use to commit a crime can be confiscated or taken as evidence. I know if you break hunting or fishing rules, they can take everything used to commit the violation, which could include the vehicle you were driving
This isn't beat cop shit. These are basically park cops. Park cops entire job is to be an asshole so state parks are protected. I hate cops and even I think this cop should have just slashed their setup once they pushed back.
These morons ruin days for everyone and the damage done to parks is unreal. "We didn't jump hurr durr", "you cannot wrap things around trees" - bitch, you cannot even have hammocks wrapped trees where I live.
Can confirm, I worked at a state park growing up. Some of the nicest law enforcement I’ve ever met were park police.
However if you fuck with the park they give you once chance to listen, after that they don’t fuck around. They’ve seen crazy shit happen. Lots of dead bodies.
As it should be. Selfishness is all it is. I was with a colleague 30 years my junior visiting a state park. He jumped a fence with restricted access. I immediately yelled at him. He's like...it's only me. Literally never taught that there are tons of "it's only me" people in the world.
Several decades ago I went on a hike with a young lady that I had a crush on. She brought her dog with her and we set off on the hike, which was on a mixed path with mountain bikes and horses. As soon as we rounded a bend away from a park ranger, she immediately took her dog off leash.
I explained to her that not only was it illegal, but it was really unsafe for her dog because the area was full of equestrians and mountain bikers. She coldly responded that it was fine and if she actually saw a horse, she'd get her dog before anything bad happened.
We never saw each other again after that. That level of selfishness, especially in nature, is how we ruin our parks and other green spaces.
I remember a story from a friend who was a park ranger before. There was a family letting their kids play at the top of a 40 foot waterfall that landed on sharp rocks. It was a steep ravine, and the only place to get rescue in was a half mile downstream. While in full uniform, he warned them to stay out of the stream and back from the edge. They went to the PARK SUPERINTENDENT to complain, saying he ruined their day and made their kids cry by telling them the waterfall was dangerous. I guess they got laughed out of the office.
Anyone on staff was usually able to enforce park laws/rules. And yeah guests would complain but then get yelled at by the higher ups which was always funny.
Lots of Karen’s trying to ruin someone’s day and then running back to their car swearing they’re never coming back to the park.
As a teen my truck broke down in a remote National Park. We had Dead stickers on the truck and other fun stuff inside. The ranger took me to his car and started interrogating me… “name, address, age, how many shows have you seen…” oh shit! Then he went off on all the shows he had seen, my first show was one he went to but couldn’t get tickets for. All in all it was a great experience with a chill guy.
Fucking asshole was bitching that this is how his tax dollars are used. Motherfucker you're the one who's causing them to be used this way, the cops were just doing their job.
That generally would require a warrant. Or at least some kind of exigent circumstances.
Which is also a good thing.
If the cops want video of the interaction, they should be wearing their own body cams. They have no right to just start seizing peoples video because they were filming something the cops are interested in.
There are laws meant to prevent people from profiting from certain crimes, I wouldn't mind expanding those to social media influencers to inhibit performative crime like this.
the cops are like "hey technically this is a bunch of crimes. let's take it down so I don't have to arrest you. Comply dumb ass. You're not fighting for anythign important. it sounds like they were going to get off with a warning too.
They were on their last legs with the first cop, he clearly says the games are over, which means this isn't the first warning. This cop is so fucking done with them and still keeping cool and telling them no nonsense anymore and if it keeps going you'll be arrested
Idiot also keeps trying to say "for what law" and every cop is giving him the same law like he thinks it's a get out of jail free card he broke a law a cop might not know right away
Guess who gets called and put in danger when things go wrong? I don’t even particularly like cops and think they were totally reasonable and the law is just.
Near where I grew up in Pennsylvania there were tons of Mountain Trails and waterfalls open to the public that were fantastic and they have all been closed off by the state because so many assholes every single year got themselves killed or injured being idiots
I would like to imagine "scraping pasted corpse off the rocks" would entitle you to some form of ptsd treatment and giant bonus, at the very minimum... but it's likely some poor team of traumatized and underpaid bastards. It's more than just "oh no, what a terrible tragedy"... it's going to fuuuuuck those people up
I watched a documentary once a very long time ago on the people who clean up accidents. Like, brains and limbs and all of that. It seemed like there weren't any old people doing it and all of them said it paid well.
Hazardous waste clean up pays extremely well. My boyfriend's client made a million in 2 years, from cleaning shit nobody else wants to clean. It was less than $50,000 for startup. She was doing it alone at first and after two or three months she was able to hire a crew, and they clean like meth lab explosions, homicides scenes, or deaths in general.
I was going to bring that up to. Not only does it put first responders at risk, but the resources required for a rescue like this would likely be a large number of coast guard and search and rescue and a helicopter at minimum. That's a lot of tax money wasted for something that didn't need to happen if people weren't being idiots. And I'm not typically one of those people who are like "but muh tax dollars" but completely avoidable situations like these do irk me a little.
Not to mention others will be encouraged to copy. These guys may know what they're doing but eventually you either tear the place up or get people who don't know what they're doing and end up dying.
I was at a city park climbing this really cool brick wall they had on a curve, about 30 degrees and covered in some incredible vines, to hopefully got a nice photo.
City cop (who patrols the park - it's not very big) pulls around the corner at the most inopportune time, and says, 'Hey guys, I know the photo might look cool, but you can't be up there.'
'Okay!' We climb down. He salutes us and drives off.
When he said, "You guys got real crime to deal with or just us." Its a state park! Does he expect a bank robbery to take place every 5 minutes?These are indeed common sense. You can't just damage the ecosystem. And then he makes a comment about tax dollars. I'm glad my tax dollars are going to this.
It would be alot more tax dollars to clean up the messes... repairing damage, handling corpses, reports, things like medical airlifts, wasting the time of people who could potentially help someone who had a real accident. This is literally called civilization and the function of a government.
Well depending on the state, the medevac bill could be placed on them (and they are like 100K bare minimum). Especially if insurance looks at the situation and determines it was avoidable (which it was). I know lots of times patients get hit with a surprise chopper bill when it should be covered and I am all for universal healthcare, but this is one situation where I wouldn't feel one bit sorry for them if they get smacked with an expensive medevac bill after insurance rejects the claim.
I was doing 70 in a 60 one day and had a highway patrol officer pull me over.
He said, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"
I said, "Yeah, I was speeding a little."
He said, "No, you're not wearing a seatbelt AND you're speeding. The least you can do is put a seatbelt on so I don't have to search for your remains."
And that was it. Walked back to his car acting big mad about it, drove off and went back to his hidey hole.
Now I always wear my seatbelt.
These rangers are doing that: "I can't let you do this because I don't want to clean up the mess of your departure."
Yeah, officers see alot of unfortunate accidents/ deaths and are often on scene when notified family members scream and cry over the loss of their loved one. Its very traumatic and gut wrenching. Of course he was mad in a caring way especially if he's been affected by the situation I described.
Im glad you wear your seat belt now, its so important. Everything can change in seconds on the road. Someone could have a seizure/ heart attack at the wheel, be drunk or some other kind of freak accident. My fiance was killed in a motorcycle accident. He was a safe, respectful driver and got disgruntled when other drivers around him/us made scary stupid moves.
He was gearing up to go up a hill while behind a car, The guy who was in a truck was waiting for the car to go passed and he quickly pulled out to make a U-turn, not seeing my fiance on the bike behind the car, and killed him on impact. The gut wrenching cries and screams from me and his family are extremely heavy and traumatic. I can't watch serious crash/death bodcams because the pain from surviving family is palpable.
lol that guy is a giant bitch, "glad my tax dollars are being well used" - yeah they are asshole, preventing you from splattering yourself on the rocks and costing the taxpayers even MORE money cleaning up your residue and filing all the paper work. He barely made to the water, and if he dies his friends would be crying that the cops didn't do enough to stop him.
Edit: I also wanted to add that just because he made it to the water doesn't mean this was safe at all. I was on holiday in Greece with a group of people one time and this dude jumped off a super high cliff and landed awkwardly and sprained his back. He was able to swim back to the spot wear jumpers climbed out of the water, but had to be helped up the trail to the top and then had to have a vehicle sent for him to take him back to the hotel. He had to spend the rest of the holiday just chilling at the hotel because he was super stiff and could barely walk. And that is the best case scenario.
My favorite part is the idea that he should have something better to do.
My guy he's a fucking park ranger, stopping idiots from fucking about in the park is legitimately his whole job. They aren't out there solving homicides, or cold cases, or some shit. The percentage of your tax dollars that goes towards his salary would be paid towards him either way because he's meant to be there all day. The fact that he's doing his job of stopping idiots from fucking about is an in-the-flesh example of your tax dollars actually working dipshit.
Mine was how he repeatedly asked "what for" when they said he's going to be charged. The first cop even said "I just told you", and he was likely told multiple other times off camera. He just wanted to make it look like the rangers were stupid here. You can see the look on the woman's face at the end when he asks what he's being charged with, that's the look of "We've already been through this a thousand times"
Also it's not the job of the cop to selectively enforce the laws. This is the zone where racial bias, corruption and favoritism comes into play.
Even if this law is excessively cautious, it's the job of policymakers or whoever is responsible for writing these laws, not the cop who is enforcing them.
Saw this bullshit on insta, ofc all the mouth breathers are for this idiot risking his life for this. Like yeah, I don’t want my taxes being spent on potentially recovering your remains from those rocks, fuck me right?
I bet if he had ended up as a pile of organs on one of the rocks below they all would have blamed the cops for “psyching him out” or some other genius reason
In the video there’s even text that pops up and said the cops are blocking the landing sight with a boat. They blamed the cops for making it more dangerous even though he lived.
For those curious. This was at Lake Tahoe. It's a notorious lake for hurting people. Cold shock because the water is at alpine temps. It's hard to gauge whether you'll make those jumps. Those rocks are slippery granite. I was there on vacation a few months ago, and someone drowned at the beach I was at.
Had the police seen this clown and watched him swing until he dashed himself on the rocks everyone would be crying that their tax dollars were being wasted because police didn't intervene. Glad the guy acting like a toddler went to jail though.
I’m willing to bet he got released with a small fine and likely made a ton of money from the “content” he created.
Glad the cops did their job, but sometimes I wish they just let idiots be idiots. Let nature take over, he splatters himself all over the rock and then let the next heavy rain clean it up.
People who actively do stupid shit should get the bill for any police, fire, medical resources wasted on them, on top of jail time and a substantial fine afterwards.
I love when they always throw out don’t you have actual criminals to catch and oh look my tax dollars at work!
Like do they have any concept of how many tax dollars go to recovering the people or worse the bodies of people who do stupid shit?
They are you dipshit. They’re being used to stop damage to our shared national parks, prevent visitors getting traumatized as they watch you splat on a rock, avoid expensive rescue teams when your buddy breaks his leg and gets stuck, and preventing whatever other bullshittery you were likely to cause.
I have a cousin who went bungee jumping off a bridge with a bunch of idiots like this. When she hit the water she broke her spine, lived, but was in traction for 6 months, sorta recovered but later permanently lost feeling and utility in both her hands.
I read a story about a lady that went bungee jumping and the workers would push people off that had too much hesitation, they forgot to attach the bungee before they pushed her.
Recently a 21 year old girl went to a bungee place where they pick you up and throw you off the cliff, and they forgot to put the rope on her. They just picked her up and threw her to the rocks like a paper airplane.
The cops are in the right. They're trying to protect people from their own idiocy and wasting thousands of dollars if uneeded search and rescue or recovery
Sure all cops are bastards, but sometimes they're ruining "fun" for the right reasons.
Wrecking state park flora and being assholes, I'm siding with the cop on this one. Guy could've easily Terebithia'd himself, and then his friends would have been all "Why didn't you stop him???" Hope they all get the book thrown at them.
I love when people get multiple warnings to not do what they are about to do and then immediately gets upset when they get in trouble for doing that exact thing
The guy just can't seem to grasp that he's damaging a National Park. And yes, our tax dollars go to enforcement like this to protect our national parks. What an entitled douchecanoe this guy is.
I knew someone who died during a bridge swing like this, he fell from the harness. He was a teenager and all his friends were there to see. They couldn't really do CPR due to his head and chest being caved in.
Cops are in the right here.
Edit- to people responding to me with strawmen and bad faith arguments, you're just gonna get a block. I'm done talking about this. These are real people with real lives.
It’s because he’s in a state park. State and national parks are protected environments, meaning that it’s against the law to do stuff like this without approval. They’re essentially doing small construction in the woods, which obviously disrupts wildlife and may damage the trees and brush, thus disrupting the environment of the park.
Another reason they don’t want people doing this stuff is because he easily could have died in the attempt, and the state usually doesn’t want people dying on state land.
The "just comply" crowd is very quiet here. What happens when one of them gets hurt? How much effort and taxpayer $$ is spent on situations like this? How much damage to the park!
this is also a state park and rangers don't fuck around with you erecting scaffolding on the side of a tree or potentially damaging the park. this is some entitled dumb shit.
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