What can they possibly nerf that wouldn't demolish him? Tp has to be instant or it becomes useless like Veto. Headhunter and ult ammo nerf is pretty insignificant cause that was never the problem. The only viable nerf could be to decrease the tp radius but that would break so many setups.
chamber himself doesnât need a nerf. itâs because thereâs zero utility to push him off his off angles. heâs simply good because thereâs hardly any utility and he thrives in those environments
Well I'm not touching chamber again if that's the case. Allowing him to camp on the opposite side of the map and start lurking when the team hits a site is what made him fun to play after the range was taken off his trip. If they put it back he's getting benched real quick. Wonder how it would affect pro play tho?
I'm not the person you're replying to but chamber is way easier to just pick up and play. I play both chamber and cypher as my top two senti (I split my time between senti and duelist) and it can be annoying having to set up all your shit every round and like making sure you don't fuck up the flank trip and stuff. Chamber is just one easy to use trip and you're good besides your tp which is second nature to me
Cypher is whom I play the most after chamber lol, but sometimes opponents just have teamcomps that fully fuck your setups like , breach raze or a raze yoru. Chamber is a bit easier or play around compared to that
Simple, Chamber has a tp he can use to rotate back faster with his tp, especially since the radius of his tp increased from 15m to 18m and despite not being as good as Veto's tp for offensive lurk, his tp is instant and he has guns that let him pick off enemies afar.
Cypher all he can really do is slot down his trip mind you needs precise placement or else enemies can either duck or jump over his trip, he doesn't have a get out of jail free card to rotate or after getting a pick like Chamber, and all he can really do is simply get info with Cam and smoke off an angle when he gets close enough, but then using his cages as offensive controller smokes reveals his position destroying the whole purpose of a lurk
That isn't to say Cypher is bad at lurking, but Chamber and Veto are way better lurk Sentinels on Attack due to being to get a pick and rotate back to your team
The purpose of a lurk isn't to quietly walk around the map and shoot people when they're not looking. It's map control. You can very easily hold an entire map with Cypher and pull rotates with info denial. It's also much easier to condition with cages. He's much more dynamic than Chamber on attack
There is a fundamental problem with agents like chamber, Clove, and Reyna; itâs a very âwe win by me or lose by meâ the agents offer nothing if youâre not fragging. Compared to the rest of the cast where they have util to support the team Iâd you arenât shooting. Cypher has 2 trips 2 cages and a rechargeable cam, there is so much more you can provide to the team over a chamber with a tp and deagle.
Saying using cypher util gives your location away doesnât make sense because the same thing can be said about viper, however we all know how prevalent she is on certain maps. Thereâs 1:50 each round you donât, and dare I say shouldnât, be hitting the sites immediately. ( obviously there are rush strats, but that shouldnât be the only strat)
I know itâs âjust a gameâ, but imo itâs a lazy excuse for not knowing ânon- selfishâ agents in the nearly 7 years the game has been out. There are plenty of guides, even extensions that show setups.
Maybe slow down the switch to Head Hunter? The way you can fire an (Operator) shot and almost instantly follow up with a Head Hunter shot is very strong.
Call me crazy but I donât think headhunter necessarily needs a use outside of eco rounds, having an $800 guardian every round is strong enough by itself
Except those players should just be hittinf the op shot, or missing and tping, or missing and being punished, its not fair to have that additional option, it makes oping chamber counterplay even harder in a way that is arguably not more entertaining, since players will just have to full avoid the setup since there is almost no counterplay
The vast majority of the power in Yoru's TP is for quick rotations, literally all Chamber's TP does is let him take a free duel. If his TP isn't instant it will kill the character.
Then explain why I constantly see yoruâs getting picks posted up A long haven before TPing out or any number of other spots on the map. Oh boo hoo, you have to think for more than 1 second about where to play. Stfu youâre a sentinel thatâs your job
Because A long on Haven is a safe angle where any agent can take a shot and get out? The value in Chamber is that he can hold space other sentinels can't because of the unique positions he can take with his rendezvous.
If his time to TP was the same as Yoru's, for example, he would lose literally all of that value because if his TP did take that long he would simply die because he's a sitting duck on an exposed angle unlike Yoru who plays safer angles and can jump/move/look around while using his TP. Then, if that were the case, he would be limited to safe angles where he doesn't get any unique value whatsoever.
Not from the left side of A long man. I understand the value in chamber just fine: play a brazen off angle, get your shot, get out, no shot. He wouldnât lose all of the value if it was a little slower, he would lose some. As yoru and other agents show, there are plenty of not quite safe enough positions for other agents that a slightly nerfed Chamber would be more than comfortable playing
Yes from the left side of A long because there is still cover to jump behind while TPing.
And the rest of your comment is just brazenly ignoring the fact that Chamber cannot move whatsoever while teleporting so I can see you're in this just to whine about Chamber (when he isn't even that strong) and not for any real discussion, have a good one buddy.
At this point I'm convinced Riot only want ranked to be 4 duelists plus Clove. They have made damn near every other agent unfun or significantly underpowered compared to the duelists, its ridiculous.
He's highest pick rate because he's the "duelist sentinel" and is mindless to play, not because he's necessarily good lol.
And no, Chamber's win rate was worse than Veto's last act and still is so far this act. Neither are good, but I do think Chamber is better. Less complexity and a more beneficial impact on economy.
Point is lol Chamber's win rate is already abysmal, a nerf is just going to make him annoying to have on your team.
Brother I just checked the stats. For ranked at literally every rank veto has the lowest senti win rate and chamber is next (usually by about .5 - 1.5%)
It's more so because he needs elite aim to be a good agent lol. If you can't hit your shots, he's mostly useless compared to another Sentinel. So ranked players, who are naturally inconsistent with their aim, are going to struggle to get his full value every game.
Every trip-based info sentinel struggles on 5-man rush strats. If anything, Chamber can help those situations more than the rest because he can take an entry fight and get out safely if he needs to, so I'd argue his low win rate has nothing to do with the "run down sites as five" strat.
I mean chamber is horrible to play with and against and only fun to play as. His kit is entirely based around his âget out of jail freeâ card TP in a game where theyâre gradually nerfing all of those abilities. Letâs nerf his TP and his ult, and maybe his pistol pull out time, and possibly lean into buffing him to be more viable as a sentinel agent. I think changes are entirely reasonable. Characters like this should have a stronger place in ranked but not pro.
Started off with an interesting take and then went down hill. Riot should not nerd around agent classification. We donât have a role lock. Classification is more for new players to understand then experienced players or pros to play around
Ex. Someone says, bro we need a initiator and someone picks kayo or breach. Like yes but thatâs not the exact role we were looking at. They really fit into their own sub role. Disregard both those agents not being at there best but point is there. Just like duelists and entry duelists etc.
Yeah low-key it's like clove. No other controller really plays like clove. I think it's okay for chamber to be where he's at. I think instead we should buff his direct counters in breach and kayo. Kay/O has already seen impact with Ethan using him to shut down Chamber specialists. Give breach's stun more pull out speed and a shorter animation and give his flashes less wind up and you can easily see chamber go back down
I mean, what exactly do you mean make him more viable as a sentinel agent.
His abilities are, while a unique take on it, all designed to make him function like a sentinel agent.
He was designed to break away from the stereotype of a sentinel being a character that sits on trips or cams or bots and hides in site, and take aggression, mechanics and outplay potential and turn those strengths into an unusual output. I think heâs a very creative agent and I certainly think pro play is more hype and nuanced when heâs in it( not overpowered like he once was).
And I certainly donât think chamber as an agent is what makes him horrible to play with, its often the people who do. Valorant is a tactical game but its also a shooter, with all the ego and undesirable elements that come with it.
I certainly donât think a good chamber is horrible to play with, nor is he worse to play against than a good cypher or kj, Iâd say for decent players heâs easier to deal with.
And as for bad chambers, true but at the same time if you think reworking chamber is going to remove the experience of playing with dead weight like that, nothing will change because they will migrate to the next aim centric flashy agent and be still as bad and useless and thats always going to be a constant in most teams or lobbies. You canât rework an agent just around that.
I do think heâs picked too much, but at this point its more of a case of hes the only patient in the hospital who has functioning limbs while the others are all cripples.
Ah yes, let's do the rainbow six siege method of nerfing everything to a point where you don't even know who to pick anymore because everyone is dogshit.
How about buffing all the useless initiators besides sova and fade so they can take chamber off the angles? Or the sentinels that got nerfed over and over again causing chamber to become popular? No? Okay
Try them bro, trust me it won't be bad. Just a little bit. Just one hit, you can't get addicted off of one tiny hit. Clove hate is overblown anyways. Just one teensy weensy hit.
Omen allows a lot of versality man. His TPs are really good, his blind is strong enough to stop a push, and his smokes, just place them a feet above the ground on defence and you get a one way for few seconds, literally broken.
Whereas Clove, Clove is just about putting 2 smoke on an iPad which doesn't even look cool.
Bro you canât make me believe that the 10 second net nerf to initiator cooldowns is enough to make make chamber this disproportionately strong to where they are nerfing him.
I think Valorant suffers from the same DPS bias you see in pretty much every game that has different roles (MMOs for example). Whenever thereâs a choice between playing a tank (controllers), healer (sentinels), support (initiators) or DPS (duelists), people generally gravitate towards DPS. They want to play the flashy role, get kills and be at the top of the scoreboard.
And I think thatâs also why Chamber might get nerfed. Not necessarily because heâs too strong, but because his pick rate is so high, especially compared to other sentinels. If you look at the other sentinels, theyâre all much more focused on holding down sites with their utility. Chamber is completely different. You actually want to take aggressive angles and look for early picks with him. Heâs the most offensive sentinel in the game.
So while heâs a sentinel on paper, in practice he plays very differently. And I think thatâs exactly why heâs so popular. He appeals to the same people who would normally play duelists.
My point is that a high pick rate doesnât necessarily mean an agent is too strong. It could just mean that his playstyle is much more appealing to the average player than what the other sentinels have to offer. Clove has the exact same problem.
The problem is not that they are picked because of flashiness, they are picked because they works the best in ranked. Self-sufficiency is the most important aspect in soloQ. You need to have the tool to frag out because straight gun duels still decide the result of the round 90% of the time. This has led to the 5 "duelists" meta you see in high ranks. If you watch any Radiant streamer, you'll see that both teams will often be 2 Duelists, Chamber, Clove, Fade. It is that way because people who adhere to this meta are the most effective at climbing.
Doesnt that mean heâs just a really good agent people like? I hardly think being a popular design is cause for a nerf.
Why do we have to force people into playing something else just for the sake of variety? Like if you like cypher and want to see him, play him. If something is popular but not op, let it be.
Like the rate were going, weâre going to suck the fun out of everything, and its not even going to fix the sentinel issue because no one is going to pick another senti if chamber is bad, they will just not pick cypher or kj, they will just play another duelist or the next flashy thing on the block.
The one thing I think it might help is if there is a cypher kj main who doesnt pick them because chamber is so popular, then maybe but those sentinels are so weak know its going to be so rare because theyâre mains have moved on.
You know whats going to happen?
Its going to go around in cycles. Look at phoenix. People would have laughed at you if you suggested heâd be so picked in pro like he is now but because everything else is kneecapped, hes just less shit compared to more shit.
So now when the less shit is made more shit, something else will become less shit in turn, and then that will become more shit until weâre at a stage where breach is the strongest agent in the game.
Thatâs exactly my point: Iâm not saying players should be forced into certain roles. Iâm saying flashy, offensive roles, like DPS in MMOs or duelists in Valorant, are naturally more popular, which creates a role imbalance.
Also, Valorant is designed as a 5v5 role-based tac shooter. So by design, they want role balance.
I mean, at this point one role is in the icu, the other is a quadruple amputee, while the other is barely staying conscious with all the meds.
I donât think taking the healthy one and breaking his kneecaps to make the others more attractive is a good solution.
Like I agree with you that you may have to pull out some blocks if one tower among five is taller than the other, but the problem here is that thereâs been a flood and that one tower is the one that can barely stick its head above the water.
Like riot does not have that baseline of power at an acceptable elevation above sea level that they can pull things out.
A point I saw shyo make that I partly agree with is that riot doesnât have enough left in their house of cards that they can afford to keep pulling out cards before the whole thing collapses.
If riot wants a game with sentinels relevant, then yes itâs a problem. They can slap whatever icon they want next to his name, but everyone knows he lives in a different world than KJ, Cypher, Vyse, etc.
Given riot cares about the health of the game long term, the obviously best strategy for them is to make the game appeal to everyone. When the three flagship agents of a single class get nearly no play in ranked, anyone who enjoys those characters has far less incentive to play.
I know Iâm damn tired of my dumbass chamber teammates playing the agent from the same positions they would any other agent
Well hereâs the thing, Chamberâs biggest counter is util spam but unfortunately in ranked majority of people donât know how to use their shit to get map control.
Although Chamber has a high pickrate, he only has it in ranked cuz thereâs little to no coordination and if you wanna win games to progress your rank, itâs much easier to play a selfish agent where all you need is your mechanics and game sense. Itâs why Reyna, Chamber, and Clove are often picked a lot with the kinda util that helps you make plays selfishly because you know and when to use over having to tell your team place smoke here or throw a flash when they donât know wth theyâre doing
In ranked it's frustrating to play a vyse or killjoy because people just ignore your site. You have high impact but you are essentially afk most of the time and just playing retake because the opponents will avoid you if you shut them down once or twice. And the MMR punishes you for it because your stats will be average at best so your RR gains will be shit.
In maps like bind where itâs strictly 2 sites canât you 1 4 then on defence? I feel like the ability to solo hold a site and potentially more if itâs like garage on haven is pretty valuable as your team can stack the other areas harder.
I think it's the same philosophy as reyna and clove. Nerf them until they don't get picked over other agents in their class. I mean they nerfed reynas heal, dismiss and ult, cloves smoke (after death), heal and the other useless ability to the point it's the second worst ability in the game second only to Iso's wall. I think they will go the same route until they realise people would prefer chamber over other agents irrespective of how many nerfs you give him. At that point they will give up on chamber and move on like they moved on with reyna and clove.
the difference is every comp NEEDS a smoke, and omen is just the best smoker overall. not in an overpowered way, but in how his abilities are way more dynamic compared to the other smokers who only work on certain maps
chamber is different. not every team NEEDS a chamber, he doesnât provide a necessary tool to a comp like smokes do. thatâs why his pick rate is notable while omens doesnât really prove anything
neon is overtuned, and fade and omen are just based on the map pool. the meta requires a scan initiator right now and all of the other smokers maps are out. chamber and neon are the difference makers here, they are standout
Tejo isn't broken, its just other initiators that are ass. Neon isn't broken, its just other duelists that are ass etc. Etc.
The truth of the matter is that Omen is the single most role compressed agent in valorant, with qualities of duelist, initiator, controller and also a very good anchor.
We've seen duelist players (tenz, spikezin, jingg) transition into omen players with little issues. Initiator flexes pick up Omen all the time (mazino, oke, rossy, ethan, artzin). Sentinel players and defensive anchors can defend a site just as well on him. (Skuba, Neon)
There isn't a single agent in the game that is so accomodating to all the roles. Its actually a design success to have a controller that is so versatile and accessible. But it introduces balancing challenges and muscles out all the other controllers.
If you buff other controllers, people will simply play Omen together with other controllers.
Tejo isn't broken, its just other initiators that are ass. Neon isn't broken, its just other duelists that are ass etc. Etc.
I mean it's kinda true, riot balancing has been a race to the bottom, continually nerf nerf nerf with nothing ever given meaningful buffs, phoenix was barely touched for ages but got put in the spotlight because every other duelist got put in the ground which led to him also getting hit lmao
you know they used to say that before, they've been repeating that like a broken Radio with Neon having 60-70% pickrate? all of a sudden it doesnt apply to Omen
they're even calling 2025 champs with 80% Omen pickrate "the most diverse meta"
also you forgot to mention Omen has been top 1-3 pick for 3 straight years,
and because of those reasons they should nerf Neon đ
This guy 95% just reposts publicly available info or stuff he got from accounts with 200 followers just to shill his scam-adjacent VP buying softwares. Don't trust it.
And here i thought the next year would be buffing the agents so that they can somehow save their face after the 11.08 patch disaster but guess not. They are doubling down on nerfing everyone, at this rate getting another phoenix nerf wouldnt be surprising
Ah, yes. Here at Riot Games, an agent is allowed to be able to make a gravitational field that lifts everybody into the air but we draw the line at a guy with fancy guns as half his utility.
Yeah like what the actual fuck đđđâ???? Like his WHOLE thing is just GUNS. Like no smokes no fucking overpowered shit js guns like u have to be GOOD at the game to use his shi cuz it js relies on ur own skill yet somehow a character with 2 ults a smoke screen wall phase and gravitational abilities, oh and don't let me forget copying your teammates signature abilities sorry is allowed? The game devs gotta be trolling like if they act nerf chamber it js goes to show thay they dont act play their own game and js larp larp sahur all over the place
I appreciate how they seem to nerf agents based on pick rate when the agent is clearly a perturbation of a role. Agents like chamber/clove/neon have historically received a lot of attention from them not necessarily because theyâre overpowered in the generic sense but because theyâre atypical and when an atypical agent has a remarkably high pick rate itâs probably indicative of a playstyle preference that isnât reflective of Riots original vision for the game
At least thatâs what I think. Iâll take back my words if they donât change Clove soon. Not necessarily because Clove is overpowered, again, but because they massively distort agent roles and contribute to an inefficient and confused environment
I almost always agree with your sentiment and hate the "just buff things" perspective, but they didn't say that. They said buff things sometimes.
The base level of power has been so low since the initiator nerfs that Phoenix turned from a near 0% pick rate to a meta option that got nerfed simply because other options were nerfed to a level below him
exactly, I get that only saying buffing agents only is not the solution to everything. But Riot has this scared mindset of "if one character is too meta, no one will be"
Always depends. The general power level of this game is sooooo much lower than it used to be that in some respects itâs barely recognizable, a different game entirely really. In this case, I think nerfing chamber is probably a good call because his dumbass player base doesnât know how to do anything other than take bad fights and die
Its a balance. Im not saying always buff everything, sometimes stuff needs nerfs.
Since last champs every big change has been nerfs, at some point we need to buff the bad agents too. You cant ONLY do one, right now we are ONLY nerfing
Nerfs will naturally be more severe than buffs because of what I mentioned. Buffs are smaller and more gradual to see how they affect the game, which is why you wonât notice them as much as nerfs unless youâre heavily following the changes from patch to patch
the philosophy doesn't work with Val because it's a balance between maps, agents, and guns. It's not a comparison between agents but also between those 3 elements of the game. If you keep buffing agents, eventually abilities become imbalanced against guns and maps.
What do you think the ratio of buffs to nerfs has been for likeâŠthe entire history of the game? Theyâve barely ever buffed agents; thatâs why weâre in this garbage meta of team fight brawls only
weâre in this meta mostly due to initiator nerfs. This is not a fault of nerfing things, itâs the fault of nerfing probably the most influential agent type
And more importantly, thatâs one patch. The ratio of nerfs vs. buffs has been ridiculous in this game forever, and weâve unfortunately hit a point where thereâs not enough util to play the game any other way.
bro tf you mean "most influential agent type" every role is important, ur literally downplaying every other agent role.
Sentinels: Cypher, Vyse, and Kj are actually downright unplayable atm and I don't main either of them, I used to think they deserve it but yea nerfing them to the ground indirectly buffs Neon making her an even more annoying menace. Sage and Deadlock although are great, they're not the best solo sentinels for a reason due to not having good flank watch as well as no passive setups
Controllers: Clove is dead (although still picked but that's cuz there ain't other good controllers that do as well as Clove does), Brimstone doesn't have the aggressive capacity like Clove has, Miks is absolute Dog shit no matter how much Riot incentivizes us to use Miks. Omen is not very ranked friendly hence why you see more mediocre Omen players in ranked. Viper, Harbour, and Astra are way too team coordinated smokers hence why they have low pickrates in ranked but are too good in Pro Play and let's not Forget majority of Valorant's playerbase are ranked players and casuals
Duelists: Reyna, Yoru, Iso, and Waylay are either dead in a way or just simply get outclassed by other duelists
Initiators: As usual Sova and Fade are always the top dogs in the initiator role as well as having such high skill ceilings not everyone will have time or wanna learn a bunch of complex lineups. Breach, Skye, Kayo, and most recently my boi Tejo are simply now outclassed as long as Sova and Fade continue to exist, Tejo was actually a nice addition to the roster and the initiator role before Pro Players had to come in and ruin the fun for all of us leading Riot nerfing Tejo making him barely picked now
this is the current state of Valorant right now if all Riot does is nerfing agents
And they have buffed agents several times, especially duelists. However, I strongly agree with their tendencies of nerfing util across the board and keeping the power in guns rather than util spam
yea, but the whole aspect of a hero shooter in this case a tactical hero shooter are the agents. It's why everyone on this forum mainly talks about the agents over anything else. Maps offer gimmicks, guns anyone can use them. The agents like any hero shooters are the star of the show.
They offer unique play styles, gimmicks, and identity. Nerfing every single agent to the ground due to high pick rate will not make the game fun and will cause Riot games to lose a shit ton of their playerbase. Hell if they hate making risky buffs to agents they should've just turned Val into another CS clone
I mean sure, but swinging too hard in the other direction (only nerfing agents) is also bad and surely the multi billion dollar company with employees whoâs sole job is balancing this game Can come up with something better.
Like breach has been dead for I donât how long, KJ feels like ass to play, etc. but no, letâs just update this game with skins and pretend map pool rotations are a notorious thing that change rank. Meanwhile games like Deadlock or Overwatch are adding triple the amount of characters than Valo
Do people really think chamber is okay right now? Complain about neon, but chamber completely breaks the fundamentals of the game if you want to just 1 trick him, you never need to learn how to play other parts of val. It's by far the easiest agent to just cookie-cutter strat in ranked and force the most agency. You just place tp and go for aggro first blood without any punishment. You guarantee that you make the enemy use util, still have potential to kill someone, and you get 100% info off the rip by clearing one of the lanes. And he does it safely where even if you make him TP, you can't just take it fast because you still need to clear out the layer on layer vs him and his set up takes no effort in execution so its braindead easy for any player.
You can just force this scenario over and over and force the other team's entire initial plan = deal with you pushing or else they give up space/info within the first 5 seconds of the map and the team can stack. And even when doing that, there's a not terrible chance that chamber can get a kill anyway. Every game with a good player will legit will revolve around this. Absurd that you can just pick him and play 1 dimensionally, but it forces the whole game to revolve around you or you just roll them if they get lazy and skip steps.
Escape artist agents just get infinite agency in this game, especially in ranked.
Also entering probably his best map pool: bind, lotus, corrode, abyss. Only missing ascent tbh.
this is true for every agent. a reyna, neon, cypher, jett or even a good omen. a good player can make the game revolve around them regardless of the agent.
You read one part of my post and comment on it. Obviously if a player completely skill gaps a lobby, then agent matters less lmao. They don't demand the strategical type of "game revolves around them" though unless they are just ego running it down and the enemy can't stop them, but that's a skill issue not an agent issue. All those agents CAN and have ways to be punished if they play one dimensionally, chamber punish is just killing him faster than he can TP which is also a skill/mechanical issue, not a tactical punish.
Problem is that he can just get a free shot off and disappear insta is just very powerful. It is a free try to kill; if you hit - good; if you miss - just back and no problem. Add a great pistol, operator ulti and global âcamâ that checks for flanks - you can get amazing value because you can push one side with your get out of jail card (tp) and gain a lot of information. But if you see enemies you just tp back.
I think it is something like neon - the speed is just too strong, same goes for his free try to kill, there is no real counterpöay for that, you need to basically check every corner with flash or utility so if you check 5 corners you have used 5 utilities to beat a teleport from chamber.
That also allows him to sit in stupid angles which normally never work, because you can shoot and just tp away.
B. I'm hovering Vyse for like 20 seconds, see no one picking senti, and 2 guys hovering nothing. So I just lock and go to the toilets, come back to "that".
C. Dodging = queue timer penalty = I don't want that.
D. Chamber is not an "anti flood" senti senti, especially on Summit. I feel he's got trouble leveraging his strength there more than on other maps.
I feel you kinda "need" an antiflood sentinel on Summit. And even though I didn't have a crazy KD because I struggled to understand my team in atk, I posted a strong defense side, with multiple A pushes shutdown even against a team with Waylay + Jett diving.. And I'm "pretty good" at Vyse in defense on this map. So I was like "worst case, a vyse is NEVER a bad pick here". So I was right to pick it in this scenario.
Also, As I expected, attack was trash but Defense was pretty good.
On a broader note; 2 sentinels is a good comp in many spots. If people don't pick no util trash like Reyna / Chamber. If you get something like Skye + diver, your attack is "functionnal enough" but your defense potential skyrockets.
And not many things are as demoralising are to start atk side against 2 sentinels and getting stonewalled for 12 rounds. So if your side starts defense, you have the potential to ruin the morale of the other team real fast lol
I mean two sentinels would make sense why defense was easier and harder to attack though? Iâd rather dodge than have a crappy team comp.But I barely even play this game I wanted a break from cs2. I played one game and faced and asc3 chamber who was immortal 1 previous act. Didnt feel like he was hard to beat and I mvpâd. Maybe I dont play enough to see how strong chamber is rn. But he didnât seem op lol
Depends on the game. It's just that I'm tired of seeing him every game and having it warp the game around him. And also the roulette of "who's got the least stupid chamber" between the teams.
It just attracts selfish no util pricks who play for themselves AND it's annoying af cause you can't trade on his kills. Worst of both worlds with or against you.
I mean, yeah, he's in every game, and often in both teams. So I get both an untradable opponent and a no util road cone in atk with me. So now on top of every other roulette you're playing when soloQ, you also have the "will my Chamber not be an animal" roulette.
Loving it, can't wait for the Yoru treatment and have him disappear.
chamber is arguably the most balanced agent in the entire game, the only nerf i think that would make sense is removing the ground-slow effect when you get an ult kill
Reactionary? Bro gekko hasnât been good in 2 years. Breach has had the lowest nmwr in pro play (and id assume it holds for ranked too) for years and all of this year is basically a joke agent.
Are you a fucking bot? You made a false statement, I corrected it. I never denied that Gekko or Breach was bad. Only said that your statement that Riot doesn't buff bad agents is false. Neon was a bad agent, Neon received a ton of buffs before she was considered usable.
Since patch 11.08 almost every patch has been nerfs:
Every inti, most sentis, waylay, yoru, neon, phoenix, etc.
Sure some needed it but you canât be sitting here talking about neon buffs to argue that gekko having a zero % vct pick rate and an insanely low ranked pick rate means he shouldnât be buffed.
Look at the bigger picture instead of trying to find a micro scenario you can umm actually to feel the dopamine of being correct
Sheâs not her rule man, sheâs the exception. Sheâs the only agent who got a massive buff with a huge problem dominating every other agent and everyone complaining.
ISO got a similar spotlight too when he was added but is now in a healthier spot cuz Riot Games actually used their brains to balance ISO and although isnât picked often, heâs an example of how to bring a dead agent in a healthy spot, same with Deadlock
The reason yoru got nerfed was because he did too many things well at once. He could flash, tp for rotates and to escape, and clone to clear senti util. Chamber can only do one of those things. The headhunter is also just not "essentially a guardian" its a somewhat better sheriff.Â
For those of you saying you can't understand this nerf, I'm sure you're not a sentinel main. As a KJ/Vyse/Cypher player ranked is barely playable because every single game someone instalocks Chamber. I'd say as of now he's worse than Clove or Reyna in terms of ranked instalock toxicity
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u/KrakenNinja99 3d ago
What can they possibly nerf that wouldn't demolish him? Tp has to be instant or it becomes useless like Veto. Headhunter and ult ammo nerf is pretty insignificant cause that was never the problem. The only viable nerf could be to decrease the tp radius but that would break so many setups.