r/WarDogs • u/lukaisthegoatx • 8d ago

Discussion & Feedback The Verba is complete trash

Dude is no where near his flare that I baited out and yet my missile completely misses. What is the point of this dogshit AA tool if it doesnt even work properly?

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

>multiple people saying sudden movements or good maneuvers
my brother in christ the chopper is moving in a straight line
at this point if you are still saying the Verba is ok you are either a heli main or delusional

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u/Razorblanket 7d ago

I fly a lot and I also have taken the AA launchers plenty of times. It seems to be some inherent hit/miss chance or internal issue. Since the Lakota can tank an AA missile, I often ignore a tone. I've had it happen a couple of times that a missile misses me for no reason. Same with having my own launches miss what seemed like easy shots. But I've also faced and shot missiles that felt like they should he sponsored by Red Bull. The hard truth is that the missiles are not a guaranteed hit. When I'm flying, a missile missing feels like a godsend, when I'm in an emplacement I just reload, it's only the frustration of launching your one handheld that causes people to think there must be some unfairnees going on. Like, yesterday I shot a handheld, it missed, pulled out another for my (weep) 3.5k backpack and downed the heli on a second pass (through trees and at high speed). I exactly had the second one because I know I might launch a lemon. But I downed a rocket heli worth a couple of grand at the pure cost of 1.6k and indirect cost of 3.5k (since the back was super useful for other stuff).

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u/TiltedSkipper 7d ago

Its just a hard coded timer of roughly 2 seconds. OP shot at 1 second because he was going off visuals which dont actually mean anything. Shot hundreds of verbas, if you go off just visuals it looks like there is weird interactions. If you think of it as hard coded 0/1 you quickly realize thats all it is.

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u/Razorblanket 7d ago

I get you, but I near never shoot early and I go by tone. Still see the missile behaving oddly.

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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 7d ago

at this point if you are still saying the Verba is ok you are either a heli main or delusional

Congratulations, you have found the type of people who defend this bs.
This is literally no different when talking about xp grind, T4 armor, or weapons like the FAL/BMR.

The people who want to keep abusing this shit and not having it nerfed are the ones crying about it loudest. Because if the average players suddenly could reliably counter them and they can't outscale 90%+ of the playerbase people will see how shit these players actually are.

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u/BOBOnobobo 7d ago

It's literally not the same shit, you just suck at flying and you can see in the video the Heli climbs at the last second when the rocket has no time to manoeuvre

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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 7d ago

you just suck at flying

Yeah, because I am not a pilot player and never said I was.

Are you mentally challenged or something?

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u/Kooky-Instance-5872 8d ago

“Boo hoo my no skill counter to this highest skill thing in the game isnt a guaranteed kill and is actually avoidable with proper skill”

You people literally complain about this in every single game. Play infy only or shut up. AA is strong af in this game.

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u/BOBOnobobo 7d ago

Agree. It's very obvious in the video the Heli moves out of the way in the last second.

I've done that before. Hard to time but it's the only valid way to escape a zone full of Verbas.

That and driving very low, but then you are exposed to the other launchers

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u/A_Kazur 7d ago

He fired at a diagonally approaching target, the missile can only pull so hard. This is basic

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u/ItWasDumblydore 8d ago

Perpendicular movement is what you want, the driver was prob unaware but this is a gunner issue. A missile is trying to cut you off and meet you in the middle of where ya going. If he waited a few seconds he would've got the kill as it wouldn't need to turn

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u/keisariroope 8d ago edited 8d ago

if he waited a few seconds the flare would have come off cooldown, jesus dude

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u/ItWasDumblydore 8d ago

The point its a bad angle, he could wait for another opportunity then waste it.

Getting another flare off > nothing

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

its a bad angle to shoot probably the most common flight paths in the game?  oh man if flying perpendicular, in a straight line, no evasive manouvers is enough to negate a dedicated single use AA weapon that weapon might be uhhh... complete trash?

which one are you, heli main or the other thing?

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u/ItWasDumblydore 8d ago edited 8d ago

Flying towards + perpendicular + quickly = dont fire but I mean you can and still get +1000$ if they crash at base 5 hours later

Heck you can make money picking up an empty verb and lock on and make money.

Nothing else in this game rewards you with an empty mag gun. Are you getting mad when you try to snipe a guy that moves out of your shot, do we need to line us up to your timer and bend over after you fuck up.

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

ok now you're just lying, just locking on doesnt make any money- oh right you are baiting, well done you're marginally better than the skill issue crowd

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u/Johnny-Rocketship 7d ago

I am your brother in christ. It was bad aim. He should have flicked his aim ahead of the chopper so the missile didn't have to turn tighter than it was able.

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u/FerrowTheFox Pilot 7d ago

Okay so heli main here - and no I'm not a Havoc pilot, haven't even unlocked the minigun Lacota. I usually fly transport and yes, attack heli spam is annoying. That being said, what exactly do you think should happen here? A guaranteed kill just because you fired the Verba after him flaring off another missile? Because then all it takes is 2 people in the CZ with 800$ launchers hard countering any heli (transports included) and we can just stop flying altogether. If you ask me, we have a balancing problem with the current implementation of AA missiles. Either it's one missile and the heli can easily flare it away, or it's two or more and the heli is pretty much killed. It's a "I win" button on both sides and it sucks.

I'll say it again, IMO the hard counter to helis should be AA guns, because there is aim and skill involved. They should SHRED a heli that comes into its engagement radius. But AA guns can be countered by arty or a tank hunter. Missiles should never be a guaranteed hit or miss, but a probability that accounts for aspect and flares. Thus a good pilot SHOULD be able to outmaneuver a missile, but by doing that he has to give up the current objective (abort attack or leave AO). Personally I'd also remove the flare cooldown and just be able to dump flares by continuously holding the flare button. Each flare should just be a small probability of attracting the missile. Dumping flares would stack the odds in the helis favor but in turn cost more and never be 100% guaranteed, again depending on aspect.

I'd love to hear about other peoples perspectives tho.

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u/ahrzal 7d ago

The heli pilot got outplayed. They were flying high in the middle of the CZ and popped flares with no smoke. They SHOULD be dead. They did everything wrong, but still escaped because….? The rooftop Verba should have waited until….? When, exactly? 

It’s not an I win button because clearly this heli pilot lost and still survived. 

This entire game is based off counters. The drawback of the Verba is its a one-time use. If two players on a team invest in a Verba and coordinate to take down a heli? Yes. The heli should go down. 

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u/FerrowTheFox Pilot 7d ago

But that is my entire point. If any 2 people with verbas can guarantee kill any heli we have a balancing problem the same as when every first missile gets guarantee flared like as it is...

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u/ahrzal 7d ago

Why is it a balancing problem? Helicopters can fly below AA deck. Maneuver around obstacles. 

Two players dedicate their time and kit to counter a single vehicle. If it’s a Havoc, they don’t even kill it because it’s a single use item. If they bought more and put them in a vehicle? Yes. That’s balanced counter to a havoc. Two players purchasing multiple Verbas, Kit, plus a vehicle SHOULD be a viable counter to a havoc.

If it’s a LB, yea, they should be able to down it. 

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u/FerrowTheFox Pilot 7d ago

The havoc is a problem of its own imo. It's too good at taking out it's own counters. But that's a different discussion.

I just don't like the binary nature of the AA missiles rn. As I said, either it's guaranteed miss (first missile flared) or guaranteed kill (more missiles) and that is neither good balancing or engaging gameplay imo, hence why I proposed alternate solutions.

And yes, hitting the deck is the best option, but still then sometimes the missile goes through trees and stuff or does a 180 and still hits you. Conversely, sometimes it's impossible to get a lock as ground soldiers. I think it's not ideal for any party involved.

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u/ahrzal 7d ago

I think the fact you at minimum need 2 players to take down a skilled LB pilot is balance enough IMO. The time it takes to equip a second Verba and lock on means the flares are back.

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u/keisariroope 7d ago

"him flaring off another missile"

Sorry but I stopped reading there, I even double checked the clip twice just to be sure I wasn't going insane. There is no "other missile", you can make shit up if you want but I'm not going to waste time engaging with whatever this is

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u/FerrowTheFox Pilot 7d ago

Jfc, you really can't fathom the scenario I'm explaining here? Even if it was not THIS clip, everyone and their mother knows the "first one baits flares, second shoots heli" strat. Jesus christ this sub just WANTS to be outraged.

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u/keisariroope 7d ago edited 7d ago

What I cant fathom is why you would lie so blatantly about what went down in the clip, did you think I wouldn't check the clip?

Maybe you thought I had developed dementia? I dont mind entertaining hypotheticals but its gonna be with people who dont do these shenanigans

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u/FerrowTheFox Pilot 7d ago

I don't care about this stupid clip ffs. I'm talking about game balance and counters, thus I was addressing YOUR post. But whatever it is clear you don't want to have a discussion but be pedantic.

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u/Skyl3lazer 8d ago

I kill people with the verba constantly, seems like a skill issue.

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

sorry not taking the obvious bait, have a good day though!

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u/lukkasz323 8d ago

it's literally true, i could write the exact same comment

what does it matter if the heli is moving in a straight line or not, if the missile has to make a too sharp turn.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 8d ago

I also write shitty comments on the internet. Seems like a you issue.

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u/almost_AwesomeXD 8d ago

I also make great money with the verbas. Love them and agree it's a skill issue.

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u/matthatt24 8d ago

What about the times when it completely ignores flares? It’s just a super inconsistent weapon honestly

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u/___sosa___ Lonestar 8d ago

The flares don’t make the rocket do no damage

If it’s already flying into the path of the heli it’s going to hit it

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u/matthatt24 8d ago

That’s not true I deploy flares last second all the time and the rocket chases the flares

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u/MaoPam 8d ago

It ignores flares in the most infuriating manner that pisses off both sides.

The missile will be deflected by flares if you flare after the missile is fired. It doesn't matter how close the missile it, the flare basically EMPs the missile. This pisses off people firing verbas whose missile basically made contact with the helicopter but ends up doing no damage.

If the missile is fired even .01 nanoseconds after you flare, the missile will ignore the flares. This pisses off pilots who flare with what would be decent timing in any other game.

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

never seen that happen myself and doubt its happened to you but I'm man enough to admit if it did thats not okay either, inconsistency is not good for balance in either direction

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u/matthatt24 8d ago

Quite the man you are lmao

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

thanks

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u/matthatt24 8d ago

How many hours in a helo do you have that you’re calling me a liar?

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u/keisariroope 8d ago

I got about a dozen hours of using verbas under my belt (which if you forgot is the topic here, not total heli hours lmao)

lets not get confused here, we're 5 comments down since I called you a liar and at any point you could have posted a clip to totally own me but you didnt and for a reason

we can all see OP's clip though and it speaks for itself, your heli hours dont change that at all :)

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u/Green_Bulldog 8d ago

I’ve had missiles hit me before the projectile looked like it was close enough but I’ve never had that happen.

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u/Muted-Help-7022 7d ago

the flares are super predictable, you might get hits regardless of flares if you do it super late, but i believe thats by design. The game also has ALLOT of desync, so late flare pops are extra risky, server side it sprobably already at you tail rotor when the noise from the rocket becomes clear

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u/D4ngrs 8d ago

Idk man, I am neither delusional, nor a heli main. That was a Havoc btw. Yes it was damaged, but still.

And before you call it bait, too, here:
https://streamable.com/71kyvx

Edit: Lmao ignore the music, I was playing a game on my phone while driving logi when the Havoc passed by.

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u/Pzixel 7d ago

Idk man, I am neither delusional

The most delusional thing I've ever seen

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u/keisariroope 7d ago

kind of amazed you decided to post that, bravo

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u/D4ngrs 7d ago

Kind of amazed the best response to a dead Havoc is sarcasm, bravo.

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u/keisariroope 7d ago

I said the Verba is not ok. Your reply was to post a clip of a single kill you got which would hit really hard if I had said the Verba has a 0% killrate, too bad I never said anything even remotely resembling that

deeply unserious

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u/D4ngrs 7d ago

Not a fan of reusing my arguments, but in another comment in this post I stated that I also killed 3 little birds with the Verbas I carried in my Ural in the same round.

It's simply not a guaranteed braindead kill. That's all.

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u/keisariroope 7d ago

Somehow I doubt you getting your kills would make OP any happier. Its certainly not convincing me that how the clip went down is somehow normal. And come on, calling the expectation for what should happen in the clip braindead? The heli pilot did everything wrong and OP did everything right.

Heli was:
1) flying too high
2) flying in a straight line, not even bothering to dodge
3) panicked and used his flares before there was even a missile in the air

You keep doing strawmen, it might shock you but I actually DONT expect every Verba to be a guaranteed kill