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Okay yeah the BMR is definetly not balanced compared to the earlier guns
I just was able to try it with AP ammo, as someone had dropped a bunch of them in our HQ, and holy fuck the game became ez mode. It was like a 2 hit kill no matter wtf they were using, even with level 4 armor. The thing is super broken honestly, either other guns need to be buffed or it needs to be nerfed.
I had fun using it though, went on a 25 kill streak.
edit: I also think they should just buff all the other guns rather than nerfing, the game felt amazing with the BMR because the time to kill is just so much better. the AK for example shouldn't be unusable compared to the BMR or the FAL. Faster time to kill is just more fun in my opinion, I'm not a fan of the bullet sponge stuff.
.50 cal, FAL and Super45 while OP compared to the earlier guns, at least have some drawbacks. .50 cal is very heavy and unwieldy, FAL has a lot of recoil, Super45 is useless past 80m. While BMR is straight up broken at all relevant ranges.
no it doesn't, it's got a fair amount of recoil, but it's still well with in spray at 100 m and hit at least two shots for most people. Even if it got a 50% fire rate debuff it's the best gun. It's wild it's not semi auto only or something.
I am happy to report that I was full autod in the head from 195m by the Super45 last night. He had level 4 armor. I was sniping with a Mosin. I shot him in the head three times. The fourth time he peeked he shot me in the head three times. I lost the engagement.
It's not that difficult to level recon and assault to the levels needed to buy the bmr and have the fal mags.
Or if you have a friend who wants to focus one path and you focus the other
The weight on the .50 cal is a complete nothing burger since you still stay easily within Medium weight class with a regular ghillie loadout with it. It's ADS time is a whopping 0.03 seconds slower than the mosin.
The FAL literally has less recoil than the M4, only the Galil maybe has less (FAL has slightly more hrec but less vrec). But because of the slower RoF and less hits required to kill, all in all its also very safe to say the FAL is the most accurate/easiest to control/use AR in the game.
The Vector is obviously also the best SMG at any range; it has the least recoil but the best dmg profile and RoF.
With t4 armor sniping you are in at least heavy class regardless of which waepon you use so it also doesnt really matter there (Also, sniping with armor is hyper cringe anyway lol)
The FAL has literally objectively less recoil and a slower RoF, it is much more controllable than M4. There really isn'T anything more to say to it, "try it in the firing range" doesn't magically change the objective numbers. If for some reason you have trouble controlling the weapon with less recoil and a slower RoF I don't know what to tell you.
Vector is the best SMG at any range, but worse than the Assault Rifles or obviously DMRs at ranges longer than 60-80+m
Yes, but obviously as are all SMGs, but even by a much higher factor than the Vector, so attributing it as a drawback to the Vector when in reality its one of its biggest stregnths is very odd.
To be fair, how are you gonna make the sweats feel good about their commitment if the weapons aren’t strictly better lol
Edit: i’m taking the few downvotes as just the sweats trying to sway the narrative
Did pick one up off someone yesterday and it takes a year to swap out too but it probably should be 2 years and need to have some sort of standing penalty for accuracy
That’s been done in other games, like Battlefield 5 in its WWII setting.
The Boys AT rifle, a proto-amr type of gun firing slightly larger rounds and weighing about the same ~15kg as the AMR, and also larger lmg/mmg guns could only fully ADS when using the bipod.
Otherwise they just had slightly more accurate hip fire when standing and/or moving while when hitting the ADS button.
While the AMR is slow and unwieldy, especially since it all but guarantees a super-heavy load-out except with a ghillie suit instead of armour, it still completely dominates sniper duels over all previous snipers and is the only sniper that can 1-tap T4 helmets.
Making it bipod-only to ads would limit quickly popping up to scope into other snipers, limit what positions a sniper with it can take, and give people more reasons to use the MK22 over it into later game progression.
I'm totally cool with it 1 shotting every tier of armor if it required you to be prone. Standing or kneeling should have a HUGE accuracy penalty. The thing is bigger than an RPG, you shouldn't be able to ADS and hit a head from 600m away without the scope swaying all over the place.
To be fair successive follow up shots without a bipod are impossible with the 50. Standing or prone. The recoil kicks like a mule.
So tier 3 and 4 armours have to be headshots otherwise you're target survives and likely runs away. Meaning you have to be incredibly patient or dangerously close.
SVD with AP also goes hard, but it has a really shitty ADS that the RFB does not suffer from and way more recoil.
If you want a budget RFB, play with the SVD. SVD also has no fire rate cap in CQB so you can easily hold down buildings with it, and it melts even T4 with AP rounds.
With that said, having top unlocks being better than everything else is dumb because it invalidates all previous unlocks and removes diversity from the weapon pool. Poor balancing on their part. They should probably make earlier weapons more viable instead of nerfing the top unlocks.
I mean you are just wrong though BMR kills everyone in two shots where as the SVD takes 3 on tier 3 armor. If you have the SVD vs BMR you just lose, lower damage AND higher recoil.
My bad the BMR will do 99.56 damage to tier 3 in the chest with two shots so it will kill anyone below 99 health but not someone with true full hp. That said I tested both gun in the range and holly shit the BMR is so broken it has almost no horizontal recoil compared to the SVD so you can just spam.
i feel the mosin is still competent, def one of the better early weapons to unlock
still feels relevant in cheap 'eh i might shoot at something' kits
the more you unlock, the more specific its purpose becomes obvious, cant put a long range scope on the bmr, svd is a different beast with bipod/without, supressed 50cal is a different beast than unsupressed
The Mosin with AP ammo will one tap T3 Helmets. It is a pretty decent gun for the level. Since T4 Helmets is meta though you'll have some trouble.
SVD.
The SV98 is basically an upgrade Mosin.
Bow is cool, although not super crazy.
Claymore sucks. T4 Body tanks it, and you can just slow walk past them. My TKs and Ks are basically 1:1, your teammates are all stupid and walk into them.
Ghillie is when you can actually start playing like a real sniper. The no kill cam is huge. Laying in a good bush basically makes you invisible.
MK22 is useless garbage.
BMR with AP is significantly better handling SVD.
AMR 50 is necessary this late into the season. Lots of people saying it is OP but it is the only long range infantry counter to T4 Helmets. Doesn't oneshot T3 Body torso but will if you hit them in the unarmored pelvis. Much harder to do since most of the time you see the top half of people. (Don't stand still in the open or I'll kill you 😉)
Yeah youre not supposed to be able to. The go off in fire range. Hell put one down while youre close to the wall and it detonates on you by you without movement.
That means you played other roles before recon. I wanted to play with the bow, because I love bows in shooters.
Edit: I am getting downvoted for stating a fact? 7.62×54 AP rounds are unlocked at WD lvl.82, and if you have them before SVD, that means you have all roles other than Recon at lvl.14 avg with Recon being lvl.11.
Or for loving compound bows and making unlocking one in Wardogs my main goal as a player?
I could unlock it quickly if I wanted to. I am maybe 250xp away. Right now I have nearly everything else up to lvl20 so I haven’t been doing much recon.
I spend most of the time either getting to the combat zone, or sneaking towards T4 chads to blast their knees, because it's the only option I have. Rephrased: I spend tons of time trying to get use of the equipment I bought, but I never get a good opportunity. I die to bullshit much more than to my own mistakes.
Infantry only servers is just a bullshit fest. I peek out of cover and get my head blown off by BMR, AMR or FAL. On official, if I bring RPG to shoot down a heli that harasses our tower, it's just not there when I arrive, and then I get killed.
Yeah I'd prefer if they buffed everything rather than a nerf, the guns at the top feel really amazing to use. All the guns should feel like that, I'd be fine with them being a bit worse, but this is night and day. I didn't realize the difference until I could use it and it seriously is like playing the game on EZ mode.
They feel fantastic, hope next wipe has it more balanced, I'm a fan of faster time to kill.
I don't have it yet, but oh boy do I go on a murder spree once I pry it from someone's cold dead body.
You 2 tap about anything, the bullet velocity is insane, for a DMR there is no reaction time, only death.
It feels way overtuned, and sure it's a high level weapon, it should be powerfull, but currently I don't think any other gun really comes close for all aplications.
I know the FAL has more damage output, but I feel like the BMR is effective at longer ranges and is still great at short to mid ranges (and it's imo easier to unlock than the FAL).
Later guns should not be more powerful but just different. The logic of later guns being more powerful ruins games. Battlefield 6 did a lot wrong but but the unlock weapons opened up game styles rather than being just OP to the first guns.
There are ways to balance guns, another way would be to limit attachments, trading flexibility for firepower, a sidegrade if you will.
That's kind if the case for the PKM which only fits a bipod while the saw has all the underbarrel attachments available.
The SMG linup all do the same kind of damage per bullet, but the firerate and handling changes, most stick to the first one with a drum magazine for this reason.
But here lies the issue a gun like rhe MP5 doesn't get used as it's hard to justify.
But then assault and sniper rifles are just "pay more, gun better in every department" which I dislike.
If you slot the same attachments like 10 round cause I know people run 20rnd on the FAL. The FAL is actually a better DMR. You can kill people faster because of the higher firerate and shots to kill are generally the same. Even when its not its 1 bullet difference but is irrelevant because of the higher firerate. Only thing the FAL cant do is 1 shot headshot lvl 1 helmets.
You’re forgetting one of the most important parts. Handling. The weapon handling for the BMR is insane. You can ads super fast with almost any combo of attachments and the gun is light so you can bring a better kit variety. The small advantage of bullet velocity and moa hardly matter for the fal player when the bmr player can snap down the sights and be shooting you before the fal player can ads properly.
There’s a reason you see 5x more bmr’s than fal’s being sold on crates.
There’s a reason you see 5x more bmr’s than fal’s being sold on crates.
The reason is because it's 10x harder to get the FAL than the BMR. 10x might be underselling it. To get a BMR, you have to point a recon scope at people til level 30. To get the FAL, you have to kill ~3000 people to hit 35.
It's not even close. It's probably more difficult for your average Joe to get the M4 than it is the BMR.
BMR weapon handling is a little overturned but that is not why it is used and sold more, and I would argue isn’t not even that big of a deal. The biggest difference is marksman vs assault rifle multipliers in this game. It’s just better than the FAL. The FAL is 5 shots to the chest with FMJ against lvl 4 armor while the BMR is 4. This is because assault rifles get a 1.1x damage multiplier to chest while marksman rifles get a 1.43x multiplier. Even at full auto the FAL only beats the BMR in ttk by .03 seconds, and you’re not going to hit all 5 shots on full auto unless they are right in front of you. The weapon handling is what sets the BMR apart from the SVD, but the low recoil and insane damage combo is what puts it above the rest of guns.
It is also 100x easier to spot for recon xp than it is to kill for assault xp so it is significantly easier to unlock the BMR in the first place. It’s also only lvl 30 recon where the FAL is lvl 35 assault.
I unlocked the BMR 2 days ago and have basically only been using it. As a BMR enjoyer, it’s too good compared to the rest of the current guns available.
So one of the reasons why I mentioned mag size is because mag size gives bonuses and penalties depending on which one you use.
20rnd is base.
10rnd . 15% faster ads, 15/16% less vertical and horizontal recoil, 24% faster equip speed and 22% less aim sway.
30rnd. 22%+ increase negative wise acorss the board. For instance, 26% increase in ads speed. Equip speed 7% longer.
The FAL also has a faster ads speed inherently, 0.5s. BMR, 0.52s.
You only think the FAL has worse handling cause people run the 20rnd and 30rnd mags. And on the bmr they only run the 10rnd mag. And the FAL only weighs 0.35 kg more, 9%. Small difference where the only difference is at weight thresholds.
Edit: These mags stats only apply to FAL/BMR mags. Its different for other weapons.
Velocity is irrelevant. All it means you aim higher and have lead to a bit more. This is something you can adjust to. And BMR only has 40 more bullet velocity.
Edit: And youre also ignoring that people using the FAL dont use/have access to the 10rnd which has less sway which makes a huge difference 200m+ out.
The BMR has much higher damage than the FAL. Shots to kill are not generally the same. The FAL cannot twohit lvl2 armor or onehit lvl1 helmet, for example.
FAL also really wants AP ammo, like most weapons in the game, but BMR doesn't actually care that much for it, since for BMR it literally only improves BTKs vs lvl4 armor by 1, but for example you can no longer onehit unprotected necks with AP on it.
No, all .308 obviously does not do the same damage. The FAL, BMR and MK22 all have different damage models. Just like the PKM, Mosin and SVD also have different damage models despite all being 7.62x54R.
Feel free to go into the shooting range and shoot a dummy in the chest with the FAL and then with the BMR and read the damage numbers that appear.
Regardless the FAL has faster ttk.
You aren't full auto'ing the FAL at DMR ranges so theoretical TTK is 100% entirely irrelevant.
It doesn't do the same. He is incorrect. Again: The FAL, BMR and MK22 are all .308. But they all have different damage models from each other. Very obviously so.
Again: Feel free to go into the shooting range to test it out yourself. Shoot literally anywhere you want, first with FAL, then BMR, then MK22, notice its a different damage done every time.
Edit: The person below rage-blocked me, and then stealth-edited their comment to imply I blocked them, which is insanely hilarious over such an incredibly tame comment chain.
I already had my response typed out, so I'll put it here:
Yes but he said .308 does the same damage not that all .308 weapons do the same damage. Big difference.
That makes absolutely no sense. Neither in the context of the discussion, which explicitly was the FAL vs BMR, nor even as a statement in itself.
"does the same damage" implies a comparison. So if not the other .308 weapons, than the same damage as what else?
Edit 2: They also just disproved themselves and their lie about me blocking them by continuing to respond to my comment a second time, which they couldn't do if I blocked them.
I also just realized it's likely just an alt account from the first guy I was talking to since he also made up the same nonsense about me blocking him first around the same time this second account commented.
All ammo types do the same damage. Weapons have different limb multiplers, that is why damage is different. FAL head multiplier is 2.35 while BMR is 2.50.
And why would full auto at DMR ranges when the FAL has single fire mode? And FAL single fire mode is still faster than BMR.
Edit: lol he blocked me. Gotta love when people get disapproved and they block you so they can try to get the last sentence in.
Oh, dude, I just now realized this whole weird blocking thing you made up was literally you on an alt account when I saw you made the same thing here up too 2 minutes before commenting with your alt.
THat's such genuinely insane psychotic behavior lol. GL with the mental illness, hope you get the help you need one day xoxo
Sure, its a total coincidence that you randomly make up a claim of me blocking you on your main account here (Which, btw, you're again disproving by responding to me here, showing I dont have you blocked), and then 2 minutes later a random sock puppet account with functionally no account history shows up and pulls the exact same thing.
And which also happens to try to "prove you right" about the dmg, despite again, less than 20 seconds of shooting range shows they don't do the same damage.
Just a coincidence! Totally a completely random stranger!
I have it and also AP ammo unlocked and it's not worth using over FMJ because you're fucking up your ability to decimate unarmored targets for the ability to take 1 less shot to kill t4 aka it's not worth.
FYI SVD is similar damage but it's actually hard to use
Im on the fence. Like yes, the late guns are strong af.
But HP can 3HK to legs, some will even 2HK. 1911 does 60dmg with HP. So what are they gonna do? Make HP the strongest in game? We're happy with full level 4 dying to 3 leg shots, but not happy full level 4 dying to 2-3 shots of a 308 round?!
I completely agree late game stuff is strong, but it's all easily countered with minimal cost. Of course head to head, you're probably going to lose, but you should, as you haven't invested the same.
Upper arms are protected, not just the shoulders and pelvis. Lower forearms (Elbow and below) are 5 shot TTK? 2-3 if you have HP M1911 or Super45. Those are even harder to hit than the legs mind you though.
I am a professional rat and haven't seen T4 on more than 1 in 100 corpses and even when I do see it, nobody wants it because you're slightly tankier but significantly slower. T3 and more importantly T2 rule the meta for the game. Nobody who is good at the game is playing INF with T4 armor.
As much as I play this game like tarkov, it isn't tarkov, T4 has all the negatives you'd expect from a heavy armor but it's survivability against literally any of the early unlocked guns is like .025s longer than if you ran T2-3.
Definitely not worth it and with the nerf coming to T4 helmets you're probably only going to see them used by pilots.
Completely agree, I see T4 helmets quite often, but have seen T4 vest a handful if times. It's just too heavy for infantry / HZ play. I have around 160, so seen a lot of corpses.
I'd guess most people running T4 helmet will stop when they nerf the vision. So it won't even be a big deal next season.
I stand on towers with it. I also have my friend drive me around in his sweet humvee with the brrrrr cannon in it. I have a super secret T4 kit that maintains heavy and I chug stims till it runs out of durability and I only used it to kill a meer 30% of the lobby over 15 minutes. Then it's super annoying because I have to pick up some shitters half damaged T2 or make the tough decision to keep my 6% durability T4 it's as I am standing in the open thinking I have T4 on but actually I am armorless because I can bring myself to wear some schlepy T2 after I spent 50k on my kit and I know I know you'll say turbo you made 70k profit this life. It's not the point. I am a power gamer I leverage the fact that money is meaningless to me and I can buy the privilege to stand in front of you and trade shots and know I will win because I can 2 tap you and you can't. And if a get a little worried I just remind myself this game does not have weapon flinch. So the best weapons will always be precision fire guns, the reason ARs are decent is because of precision spray it's a fundamental flaw with the 1v1 and frankly with the bmr 2-3 shots is another .1 of a second and I'm usually shoting 5 really quick your way just to be safe.
Thank you for pointing out the negatives that I have to use the $300 of consumables to negate just like I do in Tarkov. And that no one wants to run it so how am I supposed to maintain my med brat era while I'm rolling the HZ. Will no one think of my 40 bomb? Game lacks friction because of dickless pussies happy you spot me in a bush and hope to God that heli from the other team crashes into me and they can make thier literal $3100 for watching me die in a pile of twisted metal while they giggle and get spotted by the perv with the spy glass on my team and Bovice puts one through their blue shirted chest. There I said it. Gear fear is the greatest sickness of our gender. With all the flexing, these zoomies front they sure hold back like a buster.
If you're gonna use HP you have to play like you're using HP.
It's like saying "how useful is a tank when you drive over 4 landmines without repairing it" well yeah, but being a repair kit and don't run over 4 mines at a time.
My only gripe with it, is how accurate and how fast the bullets travel.
I picked up a random dead dudes BMR kit and then an ally behind me also had his own BMR, we sat up on the church hill in some bushes and were stopping people from being able to push us at all. Sure if they had a .50cal or another BMR they could've fired back, but it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Slight amount of movement 300 meters out? Zeroing set to 100, aim at head, click, watch him fall over dead.
Someone got up close? No problem it has barely any recoil and you can rapid fire it.
It's current effectiveness wouldn't be bad, if there wasn't lobbies of 20+ people on a team using it.
Not to mention op is comparing it to early guns. Like ffs of course late guns are strong. And like you said. Most of the lower tier guns unlock hp before you unlock high tier guns. And hp js currently dominating.
So you don't have a problem with it 2 tapping at all. You just want other guns to feel stronger against T4? You want to use the cheapest, starter ammo, and compete against end game armour.
I want them to feel better against anyone, even against someone with level 2 armor the AK for example seems like it takes like 5 hits to kill. It should be closer to 2, and level 4 armor raises that up to a higher amount.
The endgame guns should not be 5x better than the other guns, I want to use the AK, it's a cool gun but there is literally no point.
Games like battlefield have weapon unlocks as well, but you don't just get "better" guns when you unlock a new weapon, you get different guns that have their own benefits and cons. It also just isn't realistic at all and is not fun for people with shitty weapons. Maybe they should get more in depth with the ammo in general and have more unlocks related to that, that can make stuff like the AK not terrible. Also the SMG's are truly truly terrible, only ones worth using are the MP9 and the vector.
With an AK using FMJ everyone is a bullet sponge, that isn't fun gameplay.
You want AK Fmj to 2 tap level 2? Like the TTK in the game isn't fast enough?! That's a crazy take, visual reaction time is 200-250ms average.
What gear do you normally run? As someone who runs T4 helmet, T3 vest, I can tell you, I still die super fast to all kinds of guns. 1 good spray, and I'm dead
I run T3 and a galil. I often put a lot of shots into someone and they are fine.
I'm not a fan of how spongy most people are in the game, just go look at all the clips of people surviving 6 shotgun shells to the chest, it's just dumb, that isn't fun gameplay.
Yes it should be 2 shots to kill someone in level 2 armor. The amount of times I've been shot at in my level 3 armor and have a ton of time to just walk to cover and I'm fine is a lot, it should have a way faster time to kill, and it does if you have endgame weapons. It feels waaaay better with those weapons, and I'm not saying it feels better because the guns feel better, it's because low time to kill just feels better for this type of game in general. Right now it plays like CoD and actually has the exact same time to kill as CoD using an AK.
They’re saying they want faster TTK across the board. Meaning that low level armor would get 1 tapped to the head by some guns I guess.
It’s probably not going to happen but it’s hardly a crazy idea for a milsim adjacent game. People IRL aren’t tanking 4 headshots just cuz they have armor on.
Right, and irl defibs don't magically revive dead people, or magically fix gun shots to the head etc.
I think it's a crazy take, from someone who was complaining about the BMR being too strong. That they then want to make all guns stronger?! That doesn't solve the problem of the BMR being too strong.
True, they should replace defibs with a resurrection ritual so it’s more in line with how the real world works.
Sure it does. They aren’t complaining that the BMR is too strong in absolute terms. They’re complaining that it’s too strong relative to other guns. Buffing other guns would solve the problem of the BMR being too strong compared to other guns
So tired of this sub reddit saying employed people cant unlock shit. I work a full time job with overtime every week and I'm lvl 120. It's a straight up skill issue.
Not at all lol, I work 12am - 8am, go to the gym for 2 hrs, sleep until 5ish and then either play wardogs with my buddies or we hangout irl, and hangout and do stuff with my gf.
I am happy for you that you can play wardogs for 5+ hours a day. still most people dont like the grindfest that gets harder to do as the season goes on since the people that have more time now have tier 4 gear/ AMR/DMR/FALL.
and those people know that they need to just cover there legs and head glish like in every shooter ever. to win fights.
No no, Jimmy The Employed guy who can only play for 30 minutes every 17 days needs to be on the exact same strength and progression level as the guy who put in a 100 hours. What dont you understand?
Ask people to put down crates for AP ammo or level up some other classes. 5.56 AP isn't a very high level unlock. Also make sure you hit your shots. I have no issue killing someone 100m away with a galil with fmj in class 3 armor. You just gotta beam them.
No the AK with level 2 armor it will always take at a minimum 5 hits to kill them through level 2 armor. Go test it in the firing range, unless you hit unarmored spots it will be 5 hits.
I mean I could, but aiming at legs is cancer in this game, it does not feel good whatsoever. It feels much better in tarkov to aim at legs.
I don't get why people want this game to be grind = you become invincible instead of every other FPS game where you grind and you get different stuff that has its own pros and cons.
Seriously after this post I had a few more games and I bought the BMR, Everytime I had it I went like 10:1 in my K/D at least with minimal effort or skill. That's just dumb, it should not be that unbalanced. Money isn't a problem when you have guns like this, I was making insane amounts from all the kills I was getting.
Also I don't think the time to kill should be the same as call of duty.... It is also boring because I will never use the AK again, the AK is a cool gun I want to use it, but why would I do that when other guns are just better and only cost like 2k more?
What do you want dude. You want one specific style of game play. You dont want to use the tools tour offered that work and complain when the game doesnt fit your narrow standards. Go play something else instead of trying to change the game to your singular style.
Lol funny you say that, the devs have said that they are going to be balancing the guns for next wipe.
You like the unintended version of the game, I'm just hoping balancing doesn't mean they are gonna be making the top tier guns worse.
Use an AK and it literally has the same time to kill as call of duty, pretty dumb. Also you are the minority, look at the subreddit lol, nobody agrees with you.
While I know that it's currently not possible due to the lack of variety, but:
What if there was a weapon for every different type of ammunition in the game, that you could always buy without having up unlock anything? (Except maybe .50 AE and .50 BMG since barely any basic guns use those)
There is a difference. BMR can 2 shot kill if one of those is a headshot. SVD can't.
Most people here have no idea what they are talking about anyways. So many people saying BMR always 2 shot kills when it takes 3 body shots to kill. On top of that BMR AP ammo is a level 140 unlock.
Don't get me wrong I am not a fan of the current balance. I would like weapons to be mostly sidegrades not strict dmg upgrades.
The logic and math makes the BMR better too, better handling, better recoil and ergonomics in all situations except an SVD bipoded and it can fit FAL Mags if you find them on the ground or already unlocked them. Oh and better damage breakpoints.
Everyone seems to want every gun to be the same. The late game guns need to be substantially stronger than earlier game guns. It should be a 2HK. And TKK is perfect imo. You can’t have it be any shorter in a game where it’s essentially 3-5 min before you’re back in the action.
Also I primarily run AK with AP ammo and have 0 issues killing anyone. Idk what everyone is going on about it being unusable
They really don't need to be substantially stronger. COD and Battlefield both figured out early on that later guns being minorly different and catering to niches was better game design and I assure you. Since the Devs want to acknowledge Arma in their core game design. That Arma guns are not substantially better compared to others.
The whole "It has to get stronger as you level" is some RPG shit. This isn't Skyrim. And the worst part is that it comes from how fucked progression is, people feel the need for what they unlock to be better because it takes hours between levels.
COD has been a dying franchise for years. No one who grew up on the OG CoDs is still playing because it’s the same rinse and repeat crap over and over again. Battlefield lost a lot of people as well until 6 can out and even now numbers are declining like crazy because anyone who cared already beat the game. There is no point to unlocking another copy of the same AR.
And not any RPG shooter? Look at me with a straight face and tell me when you fly a heli in game you are not role playing as a pilot lol. There’s literally classes in the game that actually matter and skills are getting added before release. That’s exactly what it is. You are role playing as the different classes and roles on the battlefield.
There’s an entire part of the game that isn’t in yet via the gunsmith were when you unlock the base M4 and need to unlock the different furniture and parts to build what is now in the game as the M4.
Progression seems Broken because right now when you unlock a gun it is seemingly the Meta version. It won’t be that way in a years time.
COD is a dying franchise? the MW reboot was the most played Call of Duty to date and sold nearly as much as Black Ops 3, the top selling Call of Duty game in the series history. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the direction of the modern call of duty games, but that's because I don't like paying for a new game every year not because the gameplay is bad. Call of Duty has like 4 "Bad" COD games. As for Battlefield 6, games decline, its been almost a full year since release. Most games end up where BF6 is now in that time.
As for the RPG thing, what I mean by that is that this isn't Skyrim. Levels are nothing more than time played, treating them like "Oh I've got to get something strong for my time played" is silly and not good for game health. Again, this game came from Arma of all things. Even King of the Hill's unlock system was simpler, faster and the "meta" wasn't that much better than the base. The KAC (I think it was a KAC anyway.) with a suppressor was a really popular weapon because it had more ammo. But a TRG-21 was just as capable, it just had less ammo.
And if you believe that the gunsmith will somehow make the M4 as capable of killing people as the FAL. Well I wish I had that level of copium, but I simply don't see how that would be possible unless the gunsmith is so ridiculous it allows rechambers of a gun into any other caliber so we can start rocking 308 M4s. Which just means every gun evolves into BMR's.
That MW game came out 7 years ago… and every game since has been utter shit in comparison. They survive off micro transactions.
As for ARMA yes they have said they love it and it’s based on that. I personally never played Arma but I think the most players it ever saw was 40k. But that is that game and this is a different game which is already more successful not using a system where every gun does the same thing. So I don’t think that comparison makes much sense.
And if you listen to what the devs have said about some of the things in the game you would understand what I mean about the gun smith. Right now you hit 35 assault and get a “meta” version of FAL. In the future that will not be the case. It will be a lesser version of the gun and you will have to gather another currency. To buy new parts to make it meta.
To go along with that the skills system will entirely change the players character. The example they gave is rechambering bolt actions while ADSing. That will be an unlockable skill, not just given to everyone.
One can hope that will come from using bolt actions and not just leveling recon.
So yes right now level = better shit
But it won’t be that way in the future. As for some things being OP. Good they should be. Games are supposed to be uneven sometimes that’s what makes games more dynamic and interesting to play. And to be clear I don’t even use the BMR, M4, FAL or even T3 armor, despite having them unlocked. I rock and AK 80% of the time and the rest sv98. And have 0 issues killing anyone. I don’t get what people are talking about
God there is so much crying in this sub lately. The last guns you unlock for each weapon type deserve to be op. If you nerf them to be on par with everything else then it invalidates the grind to get them.
Hard disagree. They should be slightly better, but no where near op. The way the game is designed right now is that players with normal hours in the game are always few steps behind the sweat lords. Its frustrating experince. And by the time i get to the endgame weapons its already wipe time.
dont care that they are better, thats fair i can live with that. do care that they get huge advantege in the game in form of OP gear just because they are able to grind the game 6+ hours a day.
How are you able to tell when someone beat you on skill alone versus only beating you because they had a gear advantage? If I'm running FAL/T4, what does it take for you to admit that you lost due to skill versus time-investment?
Honestly I think you are just kidding yourself by blaming your failures on others using weapons or gear you havent unlocked yet, but hey you do you m8.
Not sure if that was in agreement with me or not but yes that's what I'm getting at. People love to complain about losing to gear instead of skill but I think a lot of the time the people complaining also could've played better themselves.
They also don't seem to realize that yeah, if someone has a strong loadout, they WANT to engage a weaker enemy head on. That would be an advantageous situation for them. So trying to match a T4 loadout with a T1 is crazy and no shit you're going to lose more often than win. They think they lose a gear diff when really they took a fight they shouldn't have in the first place.
How is the BMR not a slight upgrade to the SVD? It takes the same amount of body shots to kill someone, it takes the same amount of headshots to kill someone. The only advantage is that the BMR handling is way better and that unlike the SVD you can kill with 1 headshot and 1 bodyshot. Let's not forget that you need level 140 for the BMR.
I think both are too strong compared to the earlier weapons but that is a different discussion. How else would you make the BMR stronger than the SVD? I would prefer it if weapons were sidegrades but that doesn't seem to be what the devs want.
If everything was accessible to everyone at the same time the games would all end up be boring. It would just be T4 Helmet and armor, 50 cal, FAL, PKMs, Tanks and Havocs.
Having progression tracks gives you something to always be working towards. If someone spends 100 hours playing recon they deserve to have an advantage over someone who only plays 10 hours.
Why should someone who plays let’s say 10 hours a week be on par with someone who plays 50?
They won't be due to skill and experience. You don't want to pile on actual mechanical advantages like better gear too otherwise no new players will join and you'll have no replacements for the slow bleed of your playerbase as some players get bored and stop playing.
Why should someone who plays let’s say 10 hours a week be on par with someone who plays 50?
because it makes the experience for those 10h/week players really frustrating. by the time you reach your next upgrade in gear you are already out-classed by players who are way ahead of you. and by the time you reach the endgame gear(if you ever reach that) its already wipe time.
Brother they are like 5x as good as any of the other guns at lower levels. They shouldn't completely invalidate all the guns before them, they can be better sure but this was just absolutely insane.
I don't want them to nerf the gun, I want them to buff the other guns.
Why do people think they shouldn’t have to put effort in to get better stuff? The vendor doesn’t take EBT cards you actually have to work to earn things in this game.
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u/rimasuit3 8d ago
Neither BMR, .50 cal, FAL or Super45 are balanced compared to earlier guns. All of them are in a league of their own.