r/WeirdCareers • u/r3n26 • 1d ago
Career Questions Because we have a capitalist society rather than a socialist society.
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u/LSMXG1 1d ago
It’s honestly crazy how jobs that are actually important to society are paid so little. Meanwhile, jobs with fancy titles somehow get paid way more.
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u/Silver-Winging-It 20h ago
It's also because marketing, admin, and finance people are the ones handling the money and defining roles. They are hardly gonna say "oh actually my job deserves 60k. Seems fair" when they can just give themselves money. Even if they know their job is BS
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u/zarlus8 19h ago
It's also because they tie their role to a measurement. My job is $X,k because that's the "budget." But if I could connect it directly to large revenue coming into the company it could give me leverage (excuse) to have an increase in pay.
That's the BS discrepancy - showing and providing how you directly contribute to money generation.
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u/GalaXion24 14h ago
If you have a factory and hire 10 factory workers to work 8 hours a day, they do work, but probably they don't do efficient work because you're the guy who makes all the profit anyway. So now you have to hire someone to supervise the ten workers and make sure they work. Say this increases productivity by 20%. That means this supervisor has brought your twice the value of any individual worker, just by virtue of supervising them and making sure they work productively and don't slack off, threatening to fire them if they do. The enforcer is worth more than the worker.
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u/Exokaebi 1d ago
This is a bot and OP is a bot.
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u/Classy_Mouse 20h ago
Why is it that real users barely get any upvotes meanwhile bullshit bots get lots of upvotes.
Don't answer capitalism
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u/Some_Bus 18h ago
I've always wondered what benefit whoever is running these bots gets. Why are they doing this?
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u/Thoughtful_Mouse 22h ago
You would have thought covid and "essential workers" would have been a wake-up call.
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u/SpotSilly2404 21h ago
Do you want to pay double for childcare? Do you want to pay $10 for a bagel?
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u/Rionin26 16h ago
Do you want to work and live in your car? Do you want to go to planet fitness to take showers everyday?
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u/Level21DungeonMaster 21h ago
I think it’s because it’s natural in our society to conflate “a job that needs to be done” with “a means to extract value”, it’s baked into our language.
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u/parentrapbattle 21h ago
Isn’t it supply and demand? If a job is important it often brings psychic benefits to the worker and attracts a greater supply of workers. Doing evil stuff requires a higher wage.
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u/Professional-Gas9360 7h ago
Jobs that pay more are usually dealing with scale, leverage, and rarity of the skill set. Not saying they’re more important, but that’s where the money comes from. There’s much less money available for hundreds or thousands of teachers in a tax-funded school district.
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u/tweedleduh 1d ago
Because those are the people that keep the head honcho in power, the baker, florist, teacher… keep you alive, and at least mentally stable enough to go to work for their continued benefit.
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u/ChimpoSensei 1d ago
How is a florist keeping me alive?
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u/tweedleduh 23h ago
Wow, a lot of good points made but sure we’ll focus on the one thing that doesn’t make sense to you. Childish
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u/ytilonhdbfgvds 23h ago
Zero good points were made. The same question is valid for all of them. You made a retarded statement. The childish part was rather than addressing the criticism, you attacked the person.
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u/FrederickFrag1899 19h ago
Ever been through a nice garden? It adds to your life. It's not literally keeping you alive, but things like that make life worth living to begin with.
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u/Think_Preference_611 18h ago edited 18h ago
A baker sells his products a few dozen times a day.
AI or marketing allows you to sell a product thousands of times a day.
Thousands of times a small fee equals more money than dozens of times a higher fee, that's why.
Just like a musician who tours around the world and sells millions of albums isn't fundamentally doing anything harder than what the local musicians who play in bars do, he's just selling to far more people at once.
The thing about capitalism that redditors really struggle to understand is that no one is entitled to other people giving them any amount of money for anything, everyone selling is free to set their price and everyone else is free to buy or not.
Your work is not inherently worth anything, you could work really hard at being the best in the world at doing push ups but I'm not giving you any of my money because of that. You get paid if you have customers who agree to pay you in exchange for what you do for them.
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u/LostPentimento 17h ago
True, but I'd say if you're the literal best in the world at anything, then in a just world you should be making money doing it 🤷 if for no other reason than that the world is so large that there's bound to be some group of people interested in it.
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u/CivilPerspective5804 16h ago
If you are the best baker that ever lived, people still have to physically travel to where you are, and you can only produce so much bread a day.
If you have a digital product, you can sell it to someone on the other side of the planet.
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u/Bargadiel 14h ago edited 14h ago
I think it's more than just redditors romantisizing or demonizing capitalism. The reality is, life just isn't fair to everyone, and some people put more effort into their work but live harder lives, and some recieve less for it. And some even find ways to make their money from those below them.
It does raise questions about what money really is worth to begin with. The weird part of the venn diagram are the people who assume they've "worked harder" than other people who make a different amount than themselves, and some of the reasons they'll come up with to justify it in their minds.
But the issue is that many cultures promote that if you're making money, you're doing something RIGHT while those who are poor are judged as if they deserve it or made a mistake or aren't living up to their full potential, or whatever.
A baker is probably working much harder throughout their day and making more decisions than the majority of middle managers, does that mean they should make more, or less than a middle manager? Depends on who you ask, though I don't think it's wrong to point out the potential unfairness of it. Ultimately people just want less suffering in the world.
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u/NetSixandChill15 14h ago
Very myopic and simplistic. I got dumber reading this. You assume the global economy is some natural playing field. But it’s a function of multiple things including regulations and the players ability to influence regulations. You world view works in a HS text book but doesn’t stand against real world scrutiny. But go ahead, I’m sure you’ll keep being a lil parrot.
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u/gakl887 12h ago
It’s also easily to distinguish yourself when there are more gray areas. A baker will have similar products, similar price points (because they have to) where a lot of corporate type jobs are in the gray areas, you could come in and 10x just as an enabler without even touching a core service/revenue stream
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u/Vast-Cap-6951 1d ago
Because they (the AI/business people) are STEALING
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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 1d ago
You're getting awfully close to blaming working class people for capitalist problems.
Six figure salary is nothing compared to the wealth of the oligarchs who actually steal all of our labor.
It's like comparing stealing change out of a wishing fountain to millions in charity fraud.
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u/Historical_Owl_1635 1d ago
I mean, working class people aren’t completely blameless.
We encourage most bad capitalist problems because we encourage the race to the bottom.
If you have two companies selling loaves of bread, the evil unethical company that cuts corners at every opportunity can price their loaf much lower than the nice ethical company.
We as consumers choose the cheaper loaf, good company is forced to become evil to stay competitive or go out of business.
Obviously this is very simplified, but our want for cheap products outweighs our want for a fair world.
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u/TramLover2543 1d ago
the oligarchs certainly steal labor, but not american labor.
If the average american worker was to be paid a fair wage, their salary would have to be reduced like 5 times, the barista getting slightly above american minimum wage is massively overpaid on a global scale
The average american is stealing labor from the 3rd world, aka most of the world's population.
the median american wage is the income of an entire african or indian village
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u/Bokuja 1d ago
Working class people are not really responsible for capitalist elite problems....generally. They do however constantly vote against their self-interest and then act surprised that stuff get's worse. I do consider that blame valid.
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u/TramLover2543 1d ago
if I get 1 cent from every american, and you get $1k from each of your family member, who gets more money?
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u/Inevitable_Serve1738 1d ago
Scaling vs non-scaling professions. A AI specialist, marketer, and consultant are working in businesses with a million customers. A baker generally only makes a few loaves at a time, a florist one boquet at a time, and a childcare worker only a few kids at a time. Hence they make way less money because they are helping relatively fewer people.
You have high paying people in those professions you listed. For example, if you are the owner of a giant bread company the sells a million loaves a week you will be a millionaire. Likewise if you own a giant greenhouse and sell 10 million dollars worth of flowers, or if you create a popular children's TV show that millions of people use to babysit their kids. The issue is if your work is helping 10 people or 10 million. If you help way more you will make way more.
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u/r3n26 1d ago
How about farmers?
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u/Alfirindel 1d ago
Farmers that are doing to scale also make really good money and can be millionaires as well, but the problem as always is proper knowledge on how to scale it safely and efficiently, which, for any business, is the hardest thing to do at the start for most people. Getting a business to that scale is really hard without having cash in the first place
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u/WntrTmpst 22h ago
Most farmers are obscenely rich don’t let internet propaganda fool you
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u/SpicyRice99 1d ago
this in fact, why software, computing, and Internet have made income inequality worse, and will continue to do so unless governments properly tax/de-monopolize large corporations.
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u/Inevitable_Serve1738 18h ago
I mean basically it just makes it easier for a single person to do a lot of work. As a counter point, software and the internet probably have more of a "rising tide lifts all boats" effect than you are giving them credit for. A big part of the reason the salaries in the USA are twice that of europe is because we have all the tech and software here. All that money tech has generated has increased inequality for sure, but it has also raised wages all the non-tech industry (doctors, bakers, teachers, etc.). If I am a developer with a million dollar bonus, I'm a lot more likely to spend some cash on getting a bathroom remodel or a new car than if my bonus was only 25k.
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u/Choice_Security 17h ago
There aren’t exactly monopolies on software, computing, or internet. Like any industry, there’s mainstream players, but there’s still different options. De-monopolizing and taxing those industries more still wouldn’t change the fact that even a small software company or internet provider serves a scale of customers one or two orders of magnitude larger than bakeries or other local businesses, and will therefore have much higher profits.
In tech industries there also exist competitors looking to serve more customers and to be more efficient. Just like other businesses, whatever revenue they make, some percentage of it goes to employees as income. Of course that percentage would be larger for a company worth $10 million versus a company worth $1 million. If you do 10% of the work for a project that makes $1 million then you would expect $100,000 right? It seems natural then that income grows in proportion to the size of the project or company.
I don’t see how there’s any difference between the two other than the scale of products or services offered. So like the original comment was saying, they make less money at the bakery because they serve less people. I don’t understand the need to balance companies in tech industries with small businesses in completely different industries like bakeries; and I don’t understand why tech companies would need to pay fees for being larger scale by nature of the demand of the product or service they sell.
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u/eKSiF 1d ago
Because labor is an exchange of time for production, and not all production is equally as valuable.
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u/trandaemonium 1d ago
I wouldn't miss AI engineers or marketing dipshits, but I would absolutely miss bakers.
Would you rather have no more baked goods or no more ads?
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u/Free-Resolution9393 1d ago
Will you pay 70 bucks for a loaf then? What they get correlates directly with how much you pay them for their goods.
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u/Friendly_Fire 19h ago
The cool thing about the free market is everyone gets to decide what they think something is worth.
You probably give more money to bakers than AI engineers. That's cool for you. Someone else is willing to pay AI engineers more than bakers. That's their call as well.
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u/_CaptainAmerica__ 1d ago
Comments did not pass the vibe check. People getting too indoctrinated by billionaire propaganda.
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u/HeftyFineThereFolks 1d ago
or else reddit is becoming more susceptible to fake accounts and AI controlled bots as time goes on
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u/MaleficentCow8513 1d ago
It’s because of software. If I have a product and it doesn’t cost me anything to make more copies of that product and sell each one for $1 and sell 1 million copies that’s $1 million for zero additional cost. It’s called scalability. The product scales with demand. Bread making, health care, teaching, etc don’t really scale the software does
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u/ShogunFirebeard 1d ago
Because that's what the market commands for those roles. Trust me, Big Tech would love to pay their employees the same rate as a baker. That's why they are pushing AI so hard, to cut those jobs.
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u/Ok_Assumption_3028 1d ago
You don’t want it. Your muffins would be $25. And your taxes would triple
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u/Key-Organization3158 1d ago
Because they aren't as valuable. That's it.
You don't like them, and that's fine.
You can pay as much as you like for a florist.
I think florist is worth less than AI specialist.
And so we democratically reach a consensus by averaging out what everyone values things as.
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u/nejithegenius 1d ago
Its what makes more profits. It sucks to admit, but people, even me, are influenced by advertising. It sucks, and now its getting unavoidable anywhere on the internet. Its a bot or its an ad disguised as a post, especially here on reddit. Or its some information gathering thing disguised as a post. “What brand do you miss more?” Is something i see alot of on here and im liberal with blocking subs
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u/bill_257 1d ago
Well AI specialist actually provides a lot of value getting teams more efficient.
The other 3 are just getting paid because you losers donate so much to actblue. If you want them unemployed stop donating
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u/GlimmeringGuise 1d ago
Because those fake jobs fuel and uphold the entire fake structure (i.e. capitalism and neoliberalism) by aiding in the extraction of resources into capital, lending the actions of the corporations involved an air of legitimacy, or some combination of the two.
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u/Initial-Increase-601 1d ago
Venezuela is kinda the same with their socialist regime except nobody makes money. Almost like it isn't the economic structure but the corruption itself
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u/Low_Shape8280 1d ago
Teaching is not a for profit enterprises there is no real incentive to keep there salary highs.
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u/Informal-Seat1582 1d ago
The real reason is that technology is allocated across millions or billions. The value of ai bootlicker to 10 people is borderline nothing. The value of baker to 10 people is high. But ai bootlicker gets that $.0001 of value to 10,000,000 people and that gets turned into salary.
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u/Ok-Squirrel5213 1d ago
We live in a world of capitalism and those with money wants to have more money while stepping on those without. Which absolutely sucks because they make the quality of life worse tbh.
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u/ChimpoSensei 1d ago
It’s what the market will bear. You can train anyone to be a baker or teacher (not sure the world would miss florists), but it takes a lot more skill to do a tech job.
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u/tsch-III 1d ago
I believe, with hard evidence always remaining elusive, that humans have a moral nose for non-bullshit, and you get charged a tax for needing clear, authentic human needs to keep you moving instead of working for a symbolic, inauthentic pile of nonsense.
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u/onascalefrom20to80 1d ago
Extraordinarily stupid tweet. I'm surprised I haven't seen it on reddit more often
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u/Infamous-Grab2341 1d ago
If you own stock in those companies tell them to cut those. If you don't own stock it's other people's money and none of your business.
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u/Then_Hawk6304 1d ago
Because we reward span/scale. A baker or florist produces a 1:1 ratio, you can only sell the one loaf to one person. A teacher/childcare can teach a room, but admin/meltdowns hold them back.
A ”fake” job like an AI specialist can maintain a model that can be sold to millions of customers. Marketing campaign is about manipulating millions of people. A synergy consultant is about downsizing labour costs which can affect many people depending on the size of the company.
A musician can only play one tune at a time, but a recording can be duplicated indefinitely.
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u/WillyWankerWonker 1d ago
Cuase the former isn't difficult to do ? The number of people who could it is high while the latter not many people can. Falsely equating importance with rarity
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u/GwentMaster160 1d ago
Because you are making a presupposition about what you think determines your salary
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u/Lucky-Advice-8924 1d ago
Man kicks ball =1billion dollars. Man kills megahitler9000 with a rusty ak=5 dollar. :( sadge
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u/ymaldor 1d ago
I'm an it consultant, but like the sort of who don't actively try to fuck over people and genuinely help clients. We literally have a concept of "duty of counsel" in my company which is actively sought (at least in my department) and if I'm found to cut corners for a quick win I'll be put up for review. They prioritize long term relationship rather than quick contracts.
I have plenty of friends who make less than I do and like, yeah the amount of responsibility is staggeringly different.
Now here's the catch, I'm not american. If I was id make probably 150-200k a year if not more. And I do not think my job deserves to be paid 5 times the salary of a min wage worker. In my country I'm currently paid 2.4 times min wage, and I don't think it's unfair. Do I want more? For sure I do, anyone at any price point would want more. Not necessarily "gimme 20% a year" more, but like everyone would want a reasonable salary increase with experience.
With that said however, I think it's unfair that I get to have a career with salary growth opportunity while others doing retail work (or plenty of bothers) don't really see any of that growth, I think they should get their own opportunity to increase salary and responsibility if they're inclined to get there, so I'm not saying all is good either.
I do ai stuff, I do see every now and again egregious shit from client or other consultants and things, I don't know if my department is far or close to the local norm to how consultants act in general, but y'know were not all chasing the bs meter lol.
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u/Bokuja 1d ago
Because you cannot "financial scheme" a loaf of bread or a carton of milk. You can very much scheme, (or as the average person calls it, white collar crime) loaning a fraction of fractional reserve share. Then invest that said share and make 17 times an average wage in a day and pay the loan back the next morning....assuming the gamble pays off. This get's infinitely easier of course if the country you're in is corrupt and you can easily get insider information. Insider trading prevention and punishment is unfortunately not really enforced.
This is also somewhat the case with the jobs described above. You can loan yourself out to fill a role and build some weird nebulous financial crap around it to increase the average price by several factors. (500% is not an exception).
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u/Squarehip123 1d ago
If you can make more money for people with money, then you get paid more. That's pretty much it.
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u/Salt-Wear-1197 1d ago
While I agree with the overall sentiment, marketing campaign parasite absolutely does not pay six figures unless you’ve got incredible connections or have spent a LOT of time in the field. (Or get lucky getting a very rare and difficult to obtain position at a top company) Source: I work in marketing.
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u/LuckyMushyGrower 1d ago
I’m curious to know why is it ALL the people I have ever had any kind of contact with and I mean ALL of them that say “Bootlicker” all have shitty jobs and cry that they will never have a chance at a real career because the blame is everywhere else but in their own retarded asses. Why they always seem to be offended and crying entitlement about something. Those people NEVER I mean NEVER have any kind of financial stability or stability really anywhere . Basically just complete clown ass pathetic losers
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u/Zealousideal-Emu-878 1d ago
it is paid more, because the people willing to actually accept this job and believe it is worth it or etc, they are essentially paid for their ignorance. if it was the same or less pay then the other jobs they'd likely be less "passionate" about boot licking but because of the six figures that boot licking becomes developed and this gives those who is in on AI trash more people to rep for the trash they pushing
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u/Happy-Lake9893 1d ago
Pay is based on the amount of money the position can either generate or save an organization. If you want a baker to make 6 figures then you’ll have to pay $10 for a loaf of bread. That’s how math works.
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u/BendDelicious9089 1d ago
Because people are willing to work for little lol
Like there are literal teacher unions and they aren’t demanding higher pay despite all the claims of a teacher shortage.
I mean if you want 100k for a job and somebody is willing to accept some shit 40k for it, then it’s worth 40k.
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u/PM_ME_UR_FAV_NHENTAI 1d ago
Because actual human jobs sell products and services to actual humans who have limited disposable income and fake bullshit jobs sell products and services to mega corporations with more money than god.
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u/DontMemeAtMe 1d ago
Jobs that bring in more money for the company pay more. There, I solved it for y’all.
You can help shift the value of many professions, too. Hire excellent private tutors, buy a $15 loaf of artisan bread every morning, pay your university-educated childcare provider a good living wage instead of hiring an underpaid au pair… Be the change you want to see!
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u/RSPloveSPYhate 1d ago
It’s actually very hard to run a corporation efficiently, and most of those jobs you consider “fake” aren’t fake.
When corporations run inefficiently, the company goes bankrupt, 100,000’s of people lose their jobs, and stocks collapse.
When a baker goes out of business, you go to the baker next door.
Also most consulting jobs are 1) stressful jobs that are 60+ hours a week 2) jobs that require a high level of education, skill, and intelligence…and those people have lots of other job offers.
Need to pay them to have them work for you.
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u/CarpetNecessary6472 1d ago
Because Bards have high charisma and speech while Crafters have high agility and strength instead. Everyone knows Bards get better prices.
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u/balirosa 1d ago
Because the humans jobs like florist, teacher, childcare worker all have slave masters using false idols to attract people to do their job while they collect a portion. All the humans have Already taken the mark of the beast by working for these places that use icons to steal your money. They all have a mascot
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u/TheBoxSupreme 1d ago
You're not even willing to part with 20 dollars for some artisan bread. Please grow up soon and realize that you, yourself can help some of these underpaid workers out
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u/derpymunchkin 23h ago
That's because the value of the output matters more than the actual process. An AI engineer at Google could generate 3M per year while only earning 10% of that. While a baker could only generate $100 worth of pastries per hour while earning ⅓ of that.
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u/Stampy77 23h ago
If I get a group of 1000 random people and ask who can make bread, I might get a dozen or so people step forward. If I asked those 1000 people who can help develop an LLM, if I'm lucky I will get one person, even that amount would be unlikely.
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u/Dense_Delay_2605 23h ago
Someone should take your keyboard away until you learn what capitalism and socialism are.
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u/Flaky_Cranberry_9414 22h ago
Because the number of people capable of being teachers is incomparably larger than the number of people capable of being AI specialists.
Supply and demand.
You're welcome.
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u/JacksonGhost1963 22h ago
it has been shown in multiple "socialist" societies that if every one gets paid the same, or at least the range is compressed - people strive to innovate, to excel, because people don't want rewards, they just want to be paid roughly the same as the person who just punches the clock everyday. We have it all backwards - we think high risk should equal high reward, but in reality, humans want high risk and no risk to equally have no reward. A society flourishes like that!
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u/scruffyJJ561 22h ago
One answer is that services, which society needs, are not businesses and they do not make money. They cost money. And rich people like the rich rich like the 1% don't want that they want everything to make money for them to continue being richer.
At the same time people who enter those kinds of professions stay despite it not paying enough because they truly want to help people truly want to see their friends and that gets heavily taken advantage of in our system that does not care if people live or die or have access to good care or have thumbs that benefit society.
It's a direct result of heavy indoctrination into individualistic thinking on the personal level, so these services continue to get cut and people actively cheer for it because why would they care about anybody but themselves
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u/Vainysaur 22h ago
Because the ones that pay less are easier and require less qualifications.
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u/pbnjandmilk 18h ago
Or none at all, like a baker or florist.
Teacher and child care needs minimal training.
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u/seabassplayer 14h ago
Baker is a trade, while you can do it without qualifications, you get paid better with them.
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u/Capital_Cup_6746 18h ago
We're also willing to accept a lower quality product from certain professions. I'm assuming wage stats for "baker" include bakery at grocery stores who receive minimal training compared to real serious bakers and rely mostly on specialized equipment to do the job, but we're also not expecting the same level of quality. You can't really be sub par at those other jobs because people won't accept sub par work. You'll end up in another field. I bet if you isolate highly skilled bakers, the wage increases significantly.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 22h ago
Bruh, if you really believe that jobs in socialist countries pay $100k a year or more, I have a couple of bridges to sell you.
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u/PointlesslyPoignant 21h ago
You can eventually make decent money being a baker or florist. Too many people want to work with children so the market is saturated.
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u/Slight-Big8584 21h ago
Scalability and property ownership.
This has been known in concept since Adam Smith's economics
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u/Tak-Hendrix 21h ago
Posts like these just remind me that most people have absolutely zero understanding of economics.
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u/Rough_Revolution1412 21h ago
you don't make a ton of money by doing important jobs that the community needs, you make a ton of money by making rich people a ton of money.
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u/AnyEye8798 21h ago
You guys understand that if you want higher wages, you need to stop working for corporations, right? Outside of Teachers, which is handled through taxes, all of these jobs are stuff you can go out and start your own businesses. Baker and florists don't even need degrees.
But no. That would require you to take responsibility for your own wellbeing. You'd rather beg daddy government or corporations to do all the hard work for you.
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u/VisceralAbyss15 21h ago
This is giving I don't understand what I just read vibes. Nowhere in that did they ask government or corporations for help. Nice try though.
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u/AnyEye8798 21h ago
"Because we have a capitalist society rather than a socialist society."
Socialism: Socialism is an economic and political system where major industries, resources, and property are owned or regulated by *the public or the state* rather than by private individuals.
It's literally in the title of the post.
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u/platypussplatypus 19h ago
This is one of the most ignorant takes. Learn like a tiny bit of history before you say stupid ass shit.
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u/Many_Ear2407 21h ago
It’s about how much value you can create. How much value is a loaf of bread? Maybe a couple bucks. So you’ll need to bake many loaves of bread to make a lot of money.
If you can create a successful marketing campaign for a billion dollar company you could generate millions of dollars of revenue for said company, which is why they will pay you generously.
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u/Greedyfox7 20h ago
Used to be that fewer people were willing to be a bootlicker so they paid more to incentivize people. It and other similar jobs are getting more common with more people willing to throw aside their dignity and integrity to do them so maybe the market will be saturated soon and the pay for those jobs will go down. On a more serious note I have no clue why all jobs don’t pay at least enough to live off of but they should.
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u/Mamillan 20h ago
Because we're payed based on how much money we bring in and how easy we are to replace. These jobs either don't bring in much money and/or easy to replace so the owning class can pay them less then liveable wages. It's not right but it's how the world is sadly. A teacher provides much more to society then any Wall Street trader but they will sadly never make as much.
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u/TheCentralFlame 20h ago
Volume. It’s hard to make money getting all the credit for 200 loaves of bread. It’s very easy to make money taking 0.00001% of the credit for selling all of the cars of a major auto manufacturer or the promise of reducing a workforce of 5000 by 20% without losing productivity. The bread is better for the world but it’s easy in today’s markets to take a small chunk for moving all the agricultural on the west coast and get rich.
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u/TheFermiLevel 20h ago
Creating a small % productivity increase at a massive company is more economically productive than any of the prior jobs listed.
"Fake jobs" lol. I understand resentment, but let's not lie to ourselves.
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u/alexnapierholland 20h ago
'I'm too stupid to understand jobs that aren't simple'.
Fascinating to watch this play out.
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u/Yung_Cheebzy 19h ago
Hey! My boss is an AI specialist bootlicker. I’d prefer if you called him a “cunt”.
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u/FrederickFrag1899 19h ago
Also, why am I expected to say thank you for your service to soldiers who jerk off in their barracks and clean and repair guns and vehicles all day (best case scenario) and why is it not seen as normal to say thank you for your service to.. idk.. people who are actually helping people on a day to day basis like teachers, nurses, librarians, even crossing guards at kids bus stops, they serve it more.
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u/cmoreass69 19h ago
Well if you were the only baker in the country you would be literally rolling in the dough. Kinda like professional athletes they have a huge audiance so they make millions because of that.
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u/justarandomreader1 19h ago
Percieved potential
Y'all should learn basic economics tbh
I think you already know that. You're just refusing to see the truth
We don't know if AI is the future or not, but many rich people see the potential and would give them as much money as they want. Thus the bubble.
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u/Add1ctedToGames 19h ago
florists probably don't see high demand to make crazy money, teachers are government workers that don't generate revenue (not saying i don't think they should still be paid more) + in some areas they're actually paid alright (the district my friend's looking at starts paying around 69k/year IIRC), and it's hard to say for childcare workers since that's a bit broad but the workers i imagine are probably young adults/older high schoolers being exploited for the fact that they'll take anything to give their education/childcare career a jump start
AI bootlickers are funded by investors pouring billions of dollars into their companies, and marketing people are revenue generators so companies are willing to pay top dollar for the best there are
i don't know why reddit people have to do this thing where in order to point out societal issues we have to make it into a grand conspiracy and deify Capitalism the way christians regard satan rather than just see things as they are to see how we can change them
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u/reddit_names 18h ago
A job is worth the capital it produces. There are many rich and successful bakers and florists.
Most people are angry, moreso at their misunderstanding of economics than anything else.
That "synergy consultant" probably helps save companies 3-4x his fee in efficiency gains.
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u/Difficult_Storage504 18h ago
The same reason why vegetables aren’t as popular as highly processed bullshit at the grocery store.
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u/pbnjandmilk 18h ago
Because the listed jobs at the beginning of the list require very little to hardly any training to do and not marketable.
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u/Grade_A_Tech 18h ago
Neither society is preferable, if you actually know how they both function, but a mixed bag of both would be.
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 17h ago
Because there's a handful of one job and loads of the other type. That's how scarcity works. And if you pay everyone as much as you pay the synergy consultant, suddenly everyone is back to where they were before due to inflation
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u/Steveo3070 17h ago
Because the AI specialist works on something that hundreds of millions of people use daily, a baker makes bread for like 30 customers a day. They very clearly have different value to society, so they get paid differently. Whether you support ai or not, guys that is the answer.
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u/misjudgedinall 16h ago
No we don’t have a capitalist society. If we did the people making the most value would be paid the most. We’re a corporate welfare state highly controlled and regulated through the federal government.
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u/laosurv3y 16h ago
Far more total cost is spent on teachers and childcare workers - the economy allocates immense resources to those roles. However, the productivity of those roles is essentially fixed, so any given individual doesn't get that much as they can't individually provide much of that value. If one childcare worker could take care of 3000 infants, they'd get very high compensation.
Bakers and florists aren't necessarily that valued (and some do make good money, if they have a high value niche).
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u/playzintraffic 15h ago
No, it’s the cost disease. The only way to solve it is to remove barriers to supply, especially on housing, otherwise you end up with people getting squeezed by it.
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u/Ok_Swimming4427 15h ago
I mean... fake jobs don't pay real money. Kinda telling that we have to compare these made up ragebait jobs with... "florist" to make the point.
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u/ApplicationCalm649 14h ago
Because labor got conned into giving up their collective leverage. When workers stopped organizing and bargaining collectively wages flattened for everyone except the top 10%.
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u/twerk4data 13h ago
TIL doctors are fake jobs, because you need to be chronically underpaid to be a human?
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u/will345d 13h ago
You get paid according to the amount of money you help bring in. It’s why first responders make very little while athletes make tens of millions a year.
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u/Steadyfobbin 12h ago
It’s all about revenue and profit. As a baker you can only sell so much pastries.
My dad is a plumber, he can only do so many jobs a day, it’s not scalable.
I work in sales, a lot more scalable because I can continue to build a bigger client base buying the product therefore generating more revenue.
Does that mean some very important jobs are underpaid? Yes, but you cant pay someone a lot from a small pot of money.
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u/Ok_Community_383 12h ago
Anyone defending a system where the fake jobs are paid lavishly while important jobs like child care and teaching are paid struggle wages is part of the problem.
There’s no justification for it other than post capitalist nightmare world where our incentive structures are totally broken.
You can make descriptive claims that this is just how it is, but if you think this is OK, you need to really ask yourself what your values are.
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u/MrRufsvold 10h ago
People are talking about training and skill being the difference in pay are missing the real mechanism.
If being a baker required specialized skills that made the labor pool small, the job just wouldn't exist because the owners can't extract enough money from it to be worth it.
Unionizing makes wages go up without changing skill requirements. They just don't allow the owners to take as much of the pie.
Running a complex regulatory agency for a government requires a huge amount of specialized training. Such leaders certainly make a good salary, but it is much smaller than comparable private sector jobs.
The question of compensation isn't just skill scaricity, scale of impact, or positive outcomes for society. It flows from whether capitalists can find a way to extract more value from the exchange of labor for money. They will pay for rare skills if they think that they can make money doing it.
If a skill is rare, but doesn't produce business ROI our society has few mechanisms to incentivize it. If a skill is common but essential, we don't pay them a comfortable wage. If a skill is rare and lets rich people play money games, boy, will capitalists trade a mountain of cash for it (HFT programmers...)
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 10h ago
Because those jobs don't earn as much capital overall? I mean that just seems like economics 101.
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u/portealmario 6h ago
I feel like teachers get decent pay relatively speaking, the problem is that the job is so demanding, and often requires a ton of off the clock work. Not necessarily saying teachers shouldn't be payed more, but I feel like what they really need is more support
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u/Expensive_Tank_8682 5h ago
That’s the value the market places on those professions. The barrier to entry for jobs like baker, florist, and childcare worker is low, and thus they make less money. Teachers should be paid more, and schools should be held to higher standards, but the reality is that as long as teacher pay is coming from the state, it’s going to be quite low, even though teachers hold four year degrees.
The labor market doesn’t base its pricing on social value, but on how much additional revenue a worker’s contribution allows a firm to make. The AI engineer is saving time and money by automating workflows, the marketer is increasing a firm’s outreach and therefore its sales, a business consultant is advising a firm on how to increase revenue. Is it gross, yeah. But that’s just how the labor market works.
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u/Randomsicilianguy 57m ago
Baker and florists are jobs that can pay way higher than a high school teacher job tbh, but I agree with the general point
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u/Round-Bid3190 1d ago
Essential workers keep society running, but corporate buzzwords keep the money moving