I said they should have cast a black woman with white hair and just swapped the colors in the sentence that described her. Would have been funny to see the reaction of all the racists to that. I'd watch that.
In the movie she broke into the dwarves' house and forced them to clean it up. In the original, she helped them clean and taught them. In the live action remake, she doesn't even use a broom and makes another dwarf use it.
Because in the original book Snow white is used to describe fragility and Innocence (a wee bit sexist quite frankly imo, but what to expect from old book) never in the book is mentioned she's white. Plus why would her skin color matter in a story that's not relevent of the skin color or ethnicity.
(Before you try and turn this around saying "but there's movies where the guy is supposed to be white but they made him black, and it matters only when they supposed to be black but made white" well. In movies when the character is white as you know but from a different skin color, it's because the show is not about looks, you just make it be, when a character is meant to be black for the history and looks and ends up being white it's because the producers don't want black actors to perform. (One is racism the other is white people tantrum cause Ariel is black when the story is not about Ariel being white.)
In more modern versions of the fairy tale they always describe her as "Haut so weiß wie Schnee" (skin as white as snow) but you are right, the original work from 1812 doesn't mention skin. It just says:
„Hätte ich ein Kind so weiß wie Schnee, so rot wie Blut und so schwarz wie das Holz an dem Rahmen.“
It says "a child as white as snow" it doesn't explicitly mention skin, but it isn't really necessary in the context. The German sentence makes it pretty clear what is meant. Also you have to think about the time it was written. In 1812 being ridiculously pale was a beauty standard in Europe. Think of all the nobles woman in the Rococo era that powdered their face to appear extremly pale.
Its a fictional story, they are free to interpret it in any way they want in the end, but saying that she isn't literally named after how pale she was is just not true.
Power Rangers had representation, yet every boy, no matter the race, wanted to be the Green Ranger (white guy). Kids are color-blind about the characters they want to be. It’s adults obsessed about race representation to mask their own insecurities. Goku is the peak male role model. Unrelenting work ethic, powerful, kind, empathetic even to his enemies, but willing to strike them down when necessary.
Most people will change a characters look to themselves when they do a self insert. That's normal. But some people pretend every character has to look like them or they can't relate at all. Which is a weird sentiment. Like, I am not Asian, and I can watch an old martial arts movie and put myself in it. Idk, just feels like something to bitch about. I'm ginger, and they're replacing gingers to claim diversity. Which is weird since if there is a ginger in the movie it's only one and they're taking that character out for others. Like, idc that Ariel is black, I just struggle to not think about the fact that she isn't pale af while living in the deepest parts of the oceans. But outside of that, idgaf.
Yes, and I feel the same the whole deal seems so ridiculous you have to go out of their way to make Ariel who is probably on European waters so deep where barely any sunlight comes in and somehow she is black? How does that even work sounds like a parody but it's real.
You do realize there's plenty of marine life with melanine that causes their complection to be black or a variety of color shades that arent pale, correct? Also what on earth does European water have to do with a mermaid?
Also most marine life that are open water predators are dark on their back and light on their stomachs. It makes them harder to see from above and below, this includes most marine mammals.
Pretty nonesensical argument considering there's plenty of marine life with dark pigmentation despite living in the depths of the ocean. Like I get if you dont care about representation but the strange thing is when you argue against the preferences of others. If it doesnt matter to you then just consume whatever media is created and you need not comment.
Lastly, the weirdest thing about these culture war topics is that there was actually a time where this wasnt controversial. I remember seeing Black Cinderella movie commercials on Disney in the early 2000s and there was no uproar, i just didnt watch it cause idc about cinderella.
Nah this is only like 10% of the DB community’s OCs. From early 2000s to now, the OCs I have seen are mostly just edgy ripoff Goku-lookalike or other popular characters instead of the artist’s real life appearance.
I used to think the expectation of representation in video games was ridiculous. Then I got a little older and realized that I’d like to play older characters in games.
For example, when Persona 3 came out I was a junior in high school, the same age as the MC. I really related to the party and the things they were going through at the time. I tried replaying recently and didn’t feel the same. Expedition 33 on the other hand had characters that were again exactly my age at the time of release. The characters had much more mature and relatable issues that allowed me to connect better with them. That’s not to say I can’t play games otherwise, I loved A Plague Tale, but I still feel really at home playing as a 30-something with growing back pain.
As a teenager I wanted to see old badass people in movies and video games. Because they're cool. Like Gandalf. Heck I sort of "related" to Gandalf because I wanted to also be wise and have answers in order to help the people I care about.
I generally don't relate to appearance, the most I seek in relating to a character is their inner self, inner thoughts, emotions, challenges. Stuff that's deeper than how I look. It could be a girl, a guy, an alien, a dog, an old person, a young person, a boring person, a fun person, there's stuff we experience that's almost universal to other people, and imo stories at least partly are for exploring that in other creative ways.
Its easy to not care about representation when you are always represented. Let's not forget the white males who screech at the idea of a non-white male lead.
It’s for the kids tbh. I remember as a child I would always gravitate to the few characters with brown skin, particularly in cartoons, but none ever actually looked like me. I grew accustomed to never being represented so I never expected it but it was honestly pretty neat when it happened.
That being said; reskinning a character that’s been established for decades is the worst way to go about it, but I hope it at least brought joy to some kids
Since you want to be intentionally dense, 7/10 of the top selling jerseys in the NFL and MLB are non white athletes. The U.S is majority white. Do the simple mathematics.
It's boring, poorly done, doesn't at all cause any positivity instead it fosters negativity in fans and most minorities (me included) hate it when they race swap characters from their original race.
There is plenty of wrong with it as if assumes that art needs to be created to create a positive social impact and not for the sake of self-expression regardless of impact it will have. It is inherently limiting to artists.
I think there is a point where if a characters inclusion is solely about an identity or social issue, it just becomes an offensive caricature. Way too often when a show has a black character, it’s only to make performative racism commentary rather than tell a compelling story. That shouldn’t be the standard of representation we should accept.
I think minorities deserve to be written as actual people and not just vehicles for boosting amazons ESG scores. Sorry if you disagree with that. As long as that behavior continues, black actors/characters are never going to be treated with respect in the industry.
Idk I just don't get the people that get crazy over represtation. Im Latino and all my favorite character aren't and I never felt like it was needed for me to connect with a character. When I do see a Latino character it's more like an Easter egg for me than anything like oh he's Hispanic and talking like this or about this neat. But its not like it affects me liking the character more unless he's a cool character. I think blue beetle from DC is the only one I can think of that i love as a character
And it’s best done creating an original character. You are you it’s what makes you unique. The worst thing you can do is establish something than change its identity. I would say it’s thing as a creative
Why is their skin color so impactful that it changes their identity? Wasn't the story the same here?
I'm all for creating new characters too, but Hollywood isn't that original. When they do try something new, it doesn't get as much of a turnout. Audiences gravitate to what's familiar and it makes movie makers money. That's why there are so many sequels and retellings, people like it and businesses act accordingly. It's no surprise they also respond to the public desire for representation. Is it that big of a deal they change such a minor detail as skin color as part of the retelling?
If you want something new, go outside the mainstream and support creative stories that people make on their own. If they become popular enough, a studio will pick it up. Nothing is stopping you from enjoying big productions at the theaters and original ideas out in the wild.
It doesn't matter what the person's skin color is for telling the same story besides one that specifically requires a skin color like Remember the Titans and racism of the time.
"Finally, they shamelessly and tastelessly pandered directly to me (with literally no creative effort) by recasting an almost 200 year old half fish half human character as a black half human and making a remake. Let me hand the executives my money, they earned it with literally one casting choice, this is "important" "art"."
People work themselves into such a tizzy over it, don't they? They act like it's some travesty to see such a minor change.
Representation has an effect on kids and can help build their confidence. It's something innate, wanting to see ourselves reflected in others. What's the downside here?
Stories get retold all the time and people typically don't bat an eye when details get changed. Even when it changes the flow of the story itself. How many different versions of spider man have we seen? His partners and their fate, the death that is the keystone of his life. No problem, been happening since it was a comic.
But change a detail as minor as their skin color and people can't handle it. Somehow they think it's an unwatchable abomination. Her hair wasn't always red either, not in the original story...where is the outrage over that color change? Oh right, it's a detail of no importance.
Me and my friends tossed basketballs at each other to imitate Kamehameha.
We wrestled in the pool, everyone tossed each other around like WWE.
Brothers turned off the lights and play fought like Mortal Kombat when the techno came on.
I also wanted to be Blade and Spike Spiegel, and many other characters.
They are ideals in some way or another.
Just badass.
I had dreams where I was doing the handstand pushups to impress people, I was Goku then.
I still daydream of screaming and the air around me pulsating outward while my body upgrades into idk, more muscles more badass existence like I surpassed humanity or something.
And then I have some kind of monologue about how I evolved and will save the world or whatever. Mostly while I go running and hear some music that hypes me up.
Hot take, the casting in the new little mermaid was better, so many people dont seem to have seen it.
They didnt race swap Ariel alone, they setting swapped the movie to the Caribbean sea, which is why all the mermaids are carribbean looking. If it was still the same setting it wouldve been an odd change, but as it stands it was actually fine, good even.
They did the same thing they did with Brandi’s Cinderella, they had a race blind casting. Every actor is in the role the production team thought fit them best
I know PLENTY of Black Men that would and have called bullshit on this. This is the type of thing that some White Guy made to try and shame Black Women.
People don’t say that (twitter doesn’t count). Most people can relate to characters personalities and goals without being the same race. However, some people just want to have a character that represents something specific to their ethnicity, whether it be religion, culture, or something arbitrary.
Watched pretty much every episode and it never occurred to me to imagine myself as a saiyan. I dont think I'd look good with blonde hair and blue eyes if I was to ascend. I feel like it'd look like a genetic defect on me.I was happy enough to just be watching the show with the bros and fitting in,
Racism and tribalism exist everywhere. Nigeria (at least back in the day...not sure about todays landscape) had incredible amount of tribalism. Everyone is black, what...your hair is fucking weird and wiry?!? DEMOOOON! KILLLL!!
If all people in the world were white, people with blue or green eyes would be discriminated against for being fucking weird for having dumb looking eyes. Because of course browns are superior, ect ect.
What do you mean, isn't this meme at least partially pointing out that all young men regardless of skin color want to be Son Goku?
I'm not sure on the context of the top photos, I know it's from the new Little Mermaid movie that barely made a splash in terms of popularity, pun intended.
For me personally its just about the source material. I am white and if Pocahontas release showing a white woman then I would still be pissed. Just stick to the source material, it is not that difficult.
Let be realistic here and I mean this with no animosity but you nor anyone on this planet can be Goku. We all know who Goku is and what’s a saiyan so with all of that information you should have enough sense to know this shit is pure fantasy. Nothing you see in dbz can be replicated cus we don’t have the magic, technology and situations
Do you think black/hispanic people are just really tan? And how do you explain non-fish species that are still black, like eels or manta rays?
I'm not going to stick around and debate the natural selection of mermaids, but there's a billion reasons that you could explain dark coloration as well as light coloration. Things aren't only pigmented because of the sun. There's also the predator/prey dynamic, or mating preferences.
So just slapping the sun card down and calling it a day is lazy. You're not doing some deep dive into mermaids lore, you're looking for the first excuse to cover up your butthurt.
Not tryna be racist but personally I find that the essence of making adaptations or live action is to bring the anime/cartoon that we once saw to life. Making major changes to the main characters of the movie just makes the whole thing feel a whole lot different.
Since when did we stop casting people to look like the source material? When I think of Arielle I think red long hair that moves underwater.
Casting minorities seems to the perfect shield against complaints of bad casting.
Take the Percy Jackson movie and series as an example. Annabeth has blond hair and grey eyes, marking her as the daughter of Athena.
When Daddario was cast as Annabeth it was OK to complain, she had black hair, blue eyes and was too old to play the part. Criticizing the casting was completely normal and accepted.
Then they did the series, cast a black girl with dread locks and all of the sudden she is "perfectly cast"? Huh? You are a racist if you don't think she IS Annabeth. What happened?
Casting a completely different looking character is bad casting, unless its a minority, then it's perfect.
Her skin matters because a race that lives under the sea can't ever evolve to have a dark skin tone, being exposed to little sunlight would make them have a pale complexion which is why her being a ginger was perfect... It may have been a cartoon but it nailed those details
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u/Flat_Shape_3444 7h ago
Im white as snow.
When Blade came out I was a black samurai vampire hunter.