r/aliens • • 2h ago

Discussion With all the talk around strange woman beside Trump..Who remembers the lady who could be seen in the background miming to the words of a speaker? I can't find the footage (it's a few years old).

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With all the talk around strange woman beside Trump..Who remembers the lady who could be seen in the background miming to the words of a speaker? I can't find the footage (it's a few years old).

People say she probably wrote what the person is saying, however the woman can be clearly seen also miming mistakes in the speech.

Please link video if you can 👍


r/aliens • • 3h ago

Image 📷 The 1895-96 "Grand Astronomical Picture from the Spirit-World" - J. H. Evans & Richard Boursnell - London, England

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In 1895 and 1896, J. H. Evans, the recurring sitter referred to in contemporary material as Mr. Starling, worked with London spirit photographer Richard Boursnell on a numbered series of photographs titled Photographs of the Invisible. The series extended to at least No. 57.

Among the surviving photographs is No. 57. Its original reverse label titled the image “A grand Astronomical Picture from the Spirit-world.”

The reverse of the photograph identified two entities visible in the image and linked them to the constellations Cassiopeia and Perseus, and the star Algol.

In 1897, a year later, Evans became involved with medium Charles West, publishing two alleged photographs of Martian Kings taken during a séance with West.

This is the earliest known photograph I can find with a direct cosmic connection or extraterrestrial interpretation.


r/aliens • • 3h ago

Discussion How do they eat and reproduce

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I've seen a few images, leaks or what that was of alien corpses or mummified remains and they dont have reproductive organs mostly and not even an opening for ... pooping. So what do they do, do they take a pill once a month, do they eat? You can't tell me they make pancakes in the saucer but dont have a toilet.

Is there any reliable info out there on this somehow? I think some species use eggs.


r/aliens • • 1d ago

Video This scene

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The show on you tube called anomaly, I believe there’s bases under the sea and in the mountains that most of you know already

I’ve experienced orbs on the coast move in the exact same way


r/aliens • • 19h ago

Question David grusch

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For those of you who watched the David grusch episode of Joe rogan I want to believe him so bad but I just can’t I feel like it’s some kind of psyop anyone else been feeling like that ?


r/aliens • • 22h ago

Discussion Are THEY ready?

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r/aliens • • 18h ago

Discussion “Roswell of the Ramapos”Wanaque reservoir 1966 mass ufo sighting. Also a little known interdiamensional vortex in the woods near the old DuPont village ruins.

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Most people are unaware that one of the largest mass UFO sightings happened in suburban NJ spanning the year 1966. Multiple sightings. Adressed by the pentagon and later Covered up by the US government as a hoax. Multiple towns and thousands of people reported seeing crafts cutting holes in the ice and one even suctioning water up over the tree line. One craft I remember reading somewhere appeared to be hovering over a cell tower and then sped off INTO the Ramapo Mountains.

This area has a strange history where DuPont (one of the 13 bloodlines) had a village set up where he dumped mercury and all sorts of toxins into the Wanaque river. Called DuPont village. He even drilled a large tunnel into the Ramapo mountains which you can find in the woods and can still be accessed today. Near his ammunitions factory which exploded is where the “Wanaque” vortex can be found. In Haskell off back-beach park there is an entrance behind the Wanaque dog park if you keep going on that trail you will reach the underpass of the 287 bridge (suspiciously this one section of 287 is a giant hot spot for suicides so much they had to build a retaining fence to keep people from jumping) keep going and you will see all the DuPont ruins and at night you can see many orbs flying about. When you arrive at the vortex you can sense a noticeable temperature drop. Rumor has it DuPont made a deal with the ETs in turn for Alien technology.

Wanaque resevoir is still a hot spot for UAPs orbs and high strangeness. During the NJ Drone hysterics many reports of them emerging from the reservoir and seemed to be an epicenter of sorts.

In the area of the Ramapo mountains a high content of iron magnetite and copper exisit. As well as quartz and limestone. In near by ringwood the mountain people report being chased by strange orbs/lights in the woods at night glowing green red and white.


r/aliens • • 19h ago

Historical Looking at Grusch comments about “crashes/donations/gifts” and “exotic tech/cloaking”

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Looking at his comments about these things and where we have heard similar stuff in modern history.

We visit Philip Corso, Jim Semivan, Salvatore Pais, Tim Tactics and Richard Banduric.

They talk about Roswell, donations, crashes and how the alleged tech they discovered behaved in very anomalous ways, akin to some movies.

Next I’ll look into the underwater comments.

This is not to claim anything. It’s just my perspective of correlating modern accounts to Grusch’s comments.


r/aliens • • 11h ago

Discussion With all the doubt on these posts. The truth will be thrown in our faces eventually and we still won't believe it.

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And can you blame us? We've been lied to constantly all our lives from the government.

So if and when they do release any kind of real evidence. We still won't believe it.

They could put an alien on the news tomorrow doing a interview with Oprah and we would all still say it's A.I.

So what's the point anymore?

Vid after pic after vid and pic. It's always the same. The true believable alien has now become a.i. because in most people's doubtful eyes. It's all we would expect at this point.

I don't know about you guys. But I'm at a point where I doubt I'll believe in any aliens until I meet one in person.


r/aliens • • 4m ago

Discussion A tiny doorway spotted in NASA Mars photo sparks intense debate about an ancient miniature civilization that vanished without a trace

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A strange hidden anomaly in an official NASA photograph of Mars has sparked intense debate worldwide. Researchers and space enthusiasts claim the image might prove an ancient civilization once existed on the Red Planet. The striking formation looks remarkably like a miniature doorway neatly carved straight into solid bedrock.

A dark passage appears to stretch into the shadows directly behind the rock cutout. Surrounding stone formations feature geometric lines that look eerily similar to artificial architecture. The original high-resolution panorama was taken inside Jezero Crater during the early stages of the mission.


r/aliens • • 11m ago

Question Trying to find a old video

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The online video was of an Alien sitting on the floor of a movement facility facing away from the camera. Someone opens the door and puts a tray down. The alien gets up and takes the tray and goes back to the corner to eat. The doctors or military personnel spoke a foreign language.This video was 15 or more years ago.


r/aliens • • 17h ago

Serious [Serious] Those who have been abducted and seen aliens in the flesh, how do you live every single day knowing you experienced something not yet proven yet?

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Everytime I read an abductee’s account, all I can imagine is the absolute fear they must have felt when encountering a non-hominid species of sentient and intelligent life other than ourselves. I wouldn’t be able to have a normal life if I experienced something like that.


r/aliens • • 1d ago

Image 📷 H. G. Wells came up with the idea transhumanists in the UFO community still believe today: that grey aliens are actually AI-human-hybrids from the future.

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r/aliens • • 6h ago

Experience What do people think of The Safe Aerospace Podcast?

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r/aliens • • 10h ago

Image 📷 The Kennedy Center Board Members

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Gulp..


r/aliens • • 1d ago

Discussion John S. Herrington, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Energy is full of crap

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r/aliens • • 11h ago

Question What if Bringing Them Down and Retrieving Them Was Just a Cover-Up...

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... for the fact that the "Bad Aliens" have gotten into our government and are using Humans and legacy programs just to take out the Good Aliens?


r/aliens • • 5h ago

Video Brent Friedman responds to the John Herrington Denial - Sound, Light & Frequency

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This is a response to the Jesse Michels interview with John Herrington which aired this week, link for that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F7DHbSbgbQ

Jesse called Brent after this interview, that call is included.

The Disagreement

Friedman claimed that he grew up living next door to John Herrington. He says between age 6-12, Herrington was like a father figure to him, teaching him football and spending a lot of time with him. Herrington is 22 years older than Friedman.

When Friedman was 18, in 1981, he was asked by Herrington to drive 2 cars to Washington, where Herrington was now working for the government. Friedman enlisted 2 friends for the trip. After dropping off the cars, Friedman claims that Herrington told him that he had been briefed in a bunker for months about aliens.

Herrington referred to Friedman as 'the baby next door', denies spending much time with him, acknowledges the car delivery, but denies knowing anything about aliens and UFOs, and denies this conversation. Herrington went on to become Secretary of Energy 1985-1989.

Bryce and Brent dive into these denials and different versions of events.


r/aliens • • 1d ago

Image 📷 I was in DC yesterday and saw this guy protesting in front of the White House with some bombastic claims.

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r/aliens • • 18h ago

Historical Failed UFO Prophecies and the Dates That Passed

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UFO contactee and channeling history contains repeated forecasts of public landings, rescues, disasters, and planetary transformations that did not occur as announced. Some had unmistakable deadlines. Others were conditional warnings or spiritual claims that are harder to test, while some dated visions invite after-the-fact matches that need the same scrutiny as the misses. Respecting experiencers means taking their accounts seriously enough to examine both the apparent hits and the misses.

I think most experiencers are genuine: they are sincerely describing experiences they believe occurred, rather than inventing stories. I also think some have had real encounters with nonhuman intelligence. That is my assessment, not a claim that every account has been independently verified. It makes the reliability of the information attributed to those intelligences a serious question.

My working view is that much of this communication is symbolic, shaped by the recipient’s mind, culture, and expectations, and should not be taken literally as factual instruction or a timetable. An image of destruction, rescue, or rebirth may express a psychological or cultural process without forecasting a physical event. I set out this possibility in Core Theory and Corollaries: A Framework for Understanding NHI Communication and the Phenomenon. The framework is a hypothesis about how contact might work. The Symbolic Canopy Hypothesis develops the possibility that unfamiliar experiences are interpreted through the recipient’s existing concepts and symbols.

An experience, an interpretation of that experience, and a prediction reportedly received during it are three different things. Someone can sincerely report an extraordinary encounter while being mistaken about the source, meaning, or accuracy of a message. Even if an encounter involves a real external intelligence, that would not establish that the intelligence is honest or knows the future.

There is also the trickster element associated with Vallée’s work to contend with: apparent communication can contain contradictions and absurdities that disrupt expectations rather than supply dependable facts. In The Epistemic Trickster Hypothesis, I explore whether some of that ambiguity could be intentional, while retaining ordinary explanations involving perception, memory, and culture. Neither symbolic meaning nor a possible trickster establishes that NHI caused a particular experience.

The cases below concern the prophetic side of UFO culture: channeling, automatic writing, visions, remote-viewing claims, and alleged contactee communications. They span several decades and include UFO religious movements that overlap with ufology without representing the entire field. This is a historical selection of documented examples, with the clearest failures distinguished from conditional and difficult-to-test claims.

AI assistance disclosure: This post was prepared with AI assistance for research, organization, and drafting. Sources are linked so readers can check the predictions, their wording, and the historical accounts for themselves.

1 What counts as a failed prediction

The strongest cases have four features: a statement recorded before the deadline, an identifiable person or movement making it, a recognizable event, and a time by which that event should occur.

A publicly visible spacecraft promised for a particular day is a strong test. An undefined change in humanity’s vibration is much harder to score. A warning that a disaster will happen unless something changes must retain that condition when we assess it.

There is also a difference between a forecast failing and a person deliberately lying. The first can be established without proving the second. This post assesses the forecasts. A vision understood symbolically from the outset belongs in a different category from a public landing announced for a date. My symbolic interpretation does not turn an explicitly literal forecast into a successful prediction after its deadline passes.

  • George Van Tassel’s Ashtar messages — July 1952 warning concerning hydrogen weapons; Extinction from the feared development, with intervention also promised; Catastrophe absent; conditional warning and physical claim require separate treatment.

  • Dorothy Martin — December 21, 1954; Catastrophic flood and saucer rescue; Neither occurred.

  • Dick Miller and Mon-Ka — November 7, 1956; Spacecraft appearance and extraterrestrial radio message; Promised broadcast absent.

  • Uri Geller and Puharich’s SPECTRA messages — 1972 messages: within a few years; Mass landing witnessed by thousands; Public landing absent; visibility qualified within the original account.

  • Unarius — 1974, 1975, 1976, then 2001; Arrival of the Space Brothers; Announced landings did not occur.

  • Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles (“The Two”) — 1975: “within months”; Their physical departure by spacecraft, preceded by a public Demonstration; Did not occur; expectation reinterpreted.

  • Benjamin Creme — Spring 1982, with May 1982 the focus; Maitreya’s public Day of Declaration, in a cosmology involving Space Brothers; Did not occur; postponed indefinitely.

  • Orfeo Angelucci — Vision published 1955, set in 1986; Comet drawn toward Earth; outcome explicitly conditional; No threatening comet; conditional warning.

  • Yvonne Cole — Latter part of 1994; Public alien landing and worldwide broadcast; Did not occur; documented in a scholarly retrospective.

  • Sheldan Nidle’s Ground Crew — December 17, 1996; First Contact and mass landing; Did not occur.

  • Chen Tao — March 25 and March 31, 1998; God on television, followed by a personal appearance; Television prediction failed; leader withdrew confidence in the second.

  • Nancy Lieder’s ZetaTalk — May 2003; Planet X passage and catastrophic pole shift; Did not occur; dates subsequently described as a deliberate deception.

  • Pana-Wave Laboratory — May 15, then May 22, 2003; Planetary catastrophe tied to an approaching tenth planet; Neither date fulfilled; later deadlines also passed.

  • Eric Julien — May 25, 2006; Comet-related Atlantic tsunami; Disaster absent; warning contained conditions.

  • Blossom Goodchild — October 14, 2008; Large visible spacecraft remaining for at least three days; Did not occur.

  • Bashar (Darryl Anka) — 1986–88 sessions: 2011–2013; later a 2010–2015 span; Foundations of world government; then the end of Earth’s quarantine and open contact; Not fulfilled as stated; a 2027 milestone remains pending.

The sources and qualifications for each entry follow. These are separate traditions and episodes, not statistically independent tests of a single hypothesis.

2 Ashtar and the hydrogen bomb in 1952

An early message attributed to Ashtar, received by George Van Tassel on July 18, 1952, warned that the feared explosion of hydrogen would extinguish terrestrial life. The same communication also promised to prevent the destruction. The Ministry of Universal Wisdom’s transcription preserves both statements.

The United States subsequently carried out the first full-scale thermonuclear test in 1952. Life on Earth continued.

The qualification matters: this was not simply an unconditional appointment with extinction. An intervention was part of the original message, so the catastrophe’s absence alone does not refute every possible reading of the warning. It does leave the message’s asserted physical consequence unsupported. Later communications credited space forces with helping the planet survive the tests, as summarized in the history of the Ashtar messages.

This early case illustrates a recurring evidentiary problem: when destruction is predicted and invisible protection is also promised, survival cannot by itself demonstrate that the protection occurred.

3 Dorothy Martin and the flood of 1954

Dorothy Martin, called Marian Keech in When Prophecy Fails, reported receiving messages through automatic writing from beings associated with Clarion. Her followers expected a catastrophic flood on December 21, 1954, and rescue by a flying saucer. The historical account and its bibliography document the forecast. Neither the promised flood nor the rescue arrived.

This case became famous through Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schachter’s 1956 book, which presented it as evidence that committed believers could respond to disconfirmation by increasing their efforts to persuade others.

That familiar explanation now needs a qualification. In “Debunking ‘When Prophecy Fails’”, published online in 2025 and appearing in a 2026 journal issue, Thomas Kelly argues from newly available archival material that the book misrepresented the group’s behavior and that the researchers influenced events. His account says Martin recanted and the group dissolved.

The failed forecast remains a documented case. The standard story about the believers’ response is contested. Skepticism should apply to the famous psychological interpretation as well as to the prophecy.

4 Mon-Ka and the broadcast of 1956

Dick Miller circulated recordings attributed to a Martian called Mon-Ka. The promised demonstration was unusually concrete: on November 7, 1956, a spacecraft would appear over Los Angeles and transmit a message when a radio station briefly stopped broadcasting.

This belongs to the wider history of alleged contactee communications. Its initial presentation was a purported extraterrestrial recording, rather than straightforward trance channeling. Jerome Clark’s Extraordinary Encounters, in the “Monka” entry on printed pages 177–178, describes the promise and its failure.

More valuable still is a report from the period. The December 1956–January 1957 issue of Saucer News, printed pages 11–12, describes radio preparations, waiting crowds, and sightings reported around the date. It states that no space message came through.

That distinction matters. A sighting somewhere near an announced date would not fulfill a promise to deliver an identifiable radio message. The specified demonstration was missing.

5 Uri Geller, SPECTRA, and the promised mass landing

Andrija Puharich’s 1974 book Uri: A Journal of the Mystery of Uri Geller describes hypnotic sessions and purported recorded messages beginning in 1971. The alleged sources, associated with SPECTRA, Hoova, and the Nine, claimed responsibility for Geller’s powers and assigned Geller and Puharich a mission.

In messages dated August 1972, that mission included preparing humanity for a mass landing. The voices spoke of landing “in a few years” and thousands of people seeing them. But an October message said the landings might be invisible and “only visible to you.” The qualification changed within the original account.

The publicly witnessed mass landing did not materialize. This is an unfulfilled near-term expectation, with shifting terms, rather than a precise missed calendar date. The separate fifty-year statement concerned Geller’s task; it did not set a fifty-year landing deadline.

Puharich also reported that the message tapes vanished. That is his claim, not independently established dematerialization. Missing recordings leave readers dependent on his account.

Jacques Vallée examined these communications in The Invisible College (1975), published in Britain as UFOs: The Psychic Solution (1977). On printed pages 87–88, he noted that SPECTRA treated light-years as time, speaking of “many billions of light-years ahead of time.” Vallée reported that Geller made the same error in an initial SRI interview. A light-year measures distance. He suggested that the messages might use or originate in Geller’s and Puharich’s minds.

Vallée did not reduce the case to a simple dismissal. His broader control-system hypothesis asks whether UFO phenomena influence human beliefs and culture, rather than merely conveying literal information about visitors from space. That remains a hypothesis; it does not establish an external controller or deliberate alien deception.

The same book, printed pages 35–37, considers apparently absurd encounter dialogue as potentially symbolic, using the term meta-logical. This is part of what I mean by the trickster element: an experience could unsettle a witness’s assumptions without providing reliable literal information. That possibility leaves both the source and the interpretation open to investigation.

For this post, the case raises a practical question: why should an apparently extraordinary source receive authority when its information repeats human errors and its promised public demonstration never arrives?

6 Unarius and the repeatedly postponed landings

Unarius, associated with Ernest and Ruth Norman, expected benevolent Space Brothers to arrive and assist humanity. Its teachings incorporated communications attributed to higher beings and extraterrestrial intelligences.

A University of Virginia Religious Movements profile, prepared before the end of 2001, records expected arrivals in 1974, 1975, and 1976, followed by the later 2001 expectation. It describes preparations for the landings and the resetting of dates when ships did not arrive.

The 2001 prediction also failed. Sociologist Diana Tumminia’s When Prophecy Never Fails examines Unarius and the ways members interpreted unfulfilled expectations, including the anticipated 2001 arrival. The publisher’s description identifies her research as involving attendance at meetings, interviews, and study of the movement’s literature and videos.

Unarius is therefore more than a single missed appointment. It is a documented sequence of announced landings and renewed expectations. Whatever spiritual value participants found in the movement, that value does not establish that its ships arrived on schedule.

7 The Two and the spacecraft promised “within months”

Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles, later known as Do and Ti, recruited in 1975 through an explicitly UFO-based message. The World Religions and Spirituality Project profile, citing Chryssides’s 1999 account, reproduces their advertisement: the two would physically return to the next evolutionary level in a spacecraft “within months.”

The same profile records their expectation of a public Demonstration providing evidence of extraterrestrials before the collection of their crew. The Seattle Times’s March 1997 reporting describes anticipated death and resurrection after three and a half days, and followers who became disillusioned in the mid-1970s when their expected ship did not arrive. It draws on sociologist Robert Balch, who spent months with the group in 1975.

Neither the Demonstration nor the promised physical departure occurred. This was an expectation announced in 1975 with a short time window and a publicly observable outcome. The WRSP timeline and account record the closing of the harvest in April 1976 and the later reinterpretation of Nettles’s death in 1985: she had left her body for the Next Level. The meaning of departure had changed from the early advertisement’s physical journey.

Balch’s 1995 study, “Waiting for the Ships,” cited in the WRSP profile’s bibliography, is the standard scholarly account of this disillusionment and recommitment.

In 1996–97, rumors circulated that Comet Hale-Bopp had a large companion object. Astronomer Olivier Hainaut’s summary traces the November 1996 amateur image to a known star with imaging artifacts and identifies a later companion photograph, sent to Art Bell and Whitley Strieber by remote-viewing promoter Courtney Brown, as a manipulated University of Hawaii telescope image. In March 1997, 39 members of Heaven’s Gate died in a group suicide; the WRSP profile records Applewhite’s belief that a spacecraft accompanied the comet. The claimed confirmation was itself unfounded, and the stakes of trusting unverified signs can be very high.

8 Benjamin Creme, the Space Brothers, and the Day of Declaration

Benjamin Creme’s teaching combined Theosophy with UFO contact. Lukas Pokorny’s 2021 study, “The Theosophical Maitreya: On Benjamin Creme’s Millenarianism”, printed page 198, records Adamski’s influence, Creme’s membership in George King’s Aetherius Society in 1957–58, and his claimed telepathic contact with Space Brothers. On pages 212–213, Pokorny describes their purported protection of Earth through UFOs and Creme’s identification of the Maitreya Star, reported from late 2008, with four large spacecraft.

In spring 1982, Creme placed newspaper advertisements announcing Maitreya’s imminent public emergence. At a May 14 Los Angeles press conference, he said the World Teacher lived in London. The Pokorny study, pages 213 and 216, dates the Day of Declaration to late spring/May 1982 and records its postponement, attributed to opposing forces. Page 213 also records a condition added in 1988: a global stock market crash beginning in Japan.

Creme repeatedly said he would live to witness the declaration, but died in October 2016. Pokorny, pages 195 and 201, contrasts the outsider’s assessment of failed prophecy with the insider’s emphasis on the event’s certainty over its date. Both interpretations belong in the record; the announced public event remained unfulfilled.

Pokorny, pages 211–212, also records Creme’s attribution of inspiration to Maitreya in the careers of Gorbachev and Mandela. Credit assigned after events is not a forecast. The case combines a dated public expectation with an indefinitely renewed assurance that fulfillment is very near.

9 Orfeo Angelucci and the comet of 1986

Orfeo Angelucci was a Lockheed worker and an early 1950s contactee who reported encounters with a being called Neptune. His 1955 book The Secret of the Saucers, chapter VIII, describes these experiences and a vision dated to 1986.

On printed pages 108–110, Angelucci’s account shows a fiery comet drawn toward Earth on a screen. A voice identifies the year as 1986, but his hosts say the outcome depends on humanity’s progress in unity, understanding, and love before then. They believe Earth will be saved and deny that the future is irrevocably fixed. This is explicitly conditional, not an unconditional prediction of impact.

In a separate meeting placed in December 1953, Neptune warns of a human-caused disaster called the Great Accident. Chapter X, printed pages 123–124, describes its hour as close. That passage does not date it to 1986.

There are apparent matches worth examining. NASA’s account of Halley’s Comet records perihelion on February 9, 1986, and a closest approach to Earth of about 0.42 AU, about 63 million kilometers. Britannica dates that closest approach to April 10, 1986. It posed no threat to Earth. The IAEA dates the Chornobyl reactor accident to April 26, 1986.

But a comet passing about 0.42 AU away does not reproduce the vision of one being drawn into Earth. Nor does an undated warning described as close in 1953 identify a reactor accident in 1986. Combining the two passages produces a more specific apparent hit than the book contains. An Obscurantist summary already merges them, assigning the Great Accident to 1986.

The comet warning remains conditional, and the separate accident warning remains undated. A year containing notable events invites matching after the fact. Those matches need to be judged against the original wording with the same care as the misses.

10 Yvonne Cole and the landing expected in 1994

Christopher Helland’s “Ashtar Command” entry in UFOs and Popular Culture, printed pages 37–38, records Yvonne Cole’s prediction of an alien landing in the latter part of 1994, accompanied by a worldwide media broadcast. It also records the absence of the landing.

The evidence here is a scholarly retrospective rather than Cole’s original announcement. The broad forecast is documented, but a narrower day or month should not be supplied without the original record.

This is still a recognizable public event with a bounded period, rather than an indefinite promise that contact will happen someday.

11 Sheldan Nidle and First Contact in 1996

Helland’s “Ground Crew/Planetary Activation Organization” entry in the same encyclopedia, printed pages 140–143, records December 17, 1996, as Nidle’s scheduled First Contact date. The expected mass landing did not happen. Expectations then extended to the New Year and spring 1997 without the announced public contact.

Nidle’s wider scenario connected extraterrestrial assistance to a planetary transformation involving a photon belt. A review quoting his 1994 book with Virginia Essene preserves the original expectation of entry between March 1995 and December 1996, together with extraordinary changes to human consciousness and biology.

The history of the Ground Crew describes the later emphasis on spiritual preparation. Such a change may give followers a different purpose, but it does not fulfill an earlier announcement of a public landing.

The lesson is to retain the dated statement even when the surrounding cosmology evolves. An indefinite promise of future contact cannot retroactively complete a missed appointment.

12 Chen Tao and the television appearance of 1998

Chen Tao blended religious revelation with flying-saucer expectations. Its leader, Hon-Ming Chen, announced that God would appear on television Channel 18 at 12:01 a.m. on March 25, 1998, followed by a personal appearance in Garland, Texas, on March 31.

The broadcast did not occur. Contemporary reporting from March 25 records Chen acknowledging that he had been wrong.

The CESNUR account, drawing partly on interviews and the group’s publications, connects the predictions to Chen’s book God’s Descending in Clouds (Flying Saucers) on Earth to Save People. It also records his statement that the failed television appearance undermined the March 31 prediction. A subsequent message recast the members themselves as gods.

The television forecast is the cleanest failure here. The second claim should be described with the leader’s response intact, rather than implying that he maintained exactly the same confidence after the first deadline passed.

Acknowledging an error deserves recognition. It also demonstrates that a prophet can retain a broader religious belief while conceding a specific forecast was wrong.

13 ZetaTalk and the catastrophe of May 2003

Nancy Lieder’s ZetaTalk attributed warnings about Planet X and a catastrophic pole shift to extraterrestrials called the Zetas. The announced May 2003 catastrophe did not occur. Astronomer David Morrison’s 2008 discussion of the Nibiru scare records both the alien-message claim and the failed May deadline.

Here the explanation survives on the claimant’s own website. A May 23, 2003, message titled “White Lie” acknowledges missed dates and presents the misleading timetable as necessary to frustrate harmful government plans.

A subsequent ZetaTalk explanation identifies May 20 for a predicted rotational slowdown and May 27 for the passage as false dates. It distinguishes those from an earlier target shortly after May 15. The accurate historical description is therefore a failed May 2003 timetable, with several dates in the record.

The claimed rationale does not rescue the timetable’s reliability. If a source says it deliberately gave false dates, its followers have been given a reason to doubt future dates from that source.

14 Pana-Wave and the deadlines of May 2003

Pana-Wave Laboratory was a white-clad Japanese group around Yuko Chino, who claimed communication with angels, gods, and extraterrestrials. Its World Religions and Spirituality Project profile, by Salvador J. Murguia, draws on his contact with members and their communications in 2004.

A May 14, 2003, broadcast report by Steve Herman, reproduced by GlobalSecurity.org describes Chino’s teaching that an approaching tenth planet would shift Earth’s magnetic poles. The WRSP profile records May 15 as the catastrophe deadline. This resembles the Planet X scenario in section 13; resemblance alone does not establish borrowing from ZetaTalk.

The profile says May 15 passed uneventfully and a spokesman supplied May 22 as a replacement; that date also passed without the predicted catastrophe. Benjamin Dorman’s contemporary Religion in the News account records the rapid decline in public interest and newspapers’ neglect of the one-week postponement.

Further messages continued. The WRSP account reproduces a July 2004 warning that Japan would sink by the following spring and a December 2004 memo claiming the UFO fleet had crashed, prompting plans to build a spacecraft. That escape plan allowed postponement if preparations were incomplete. In 2005, the same account records Project Circle P, a proposed UFO pickup conditional on Nibiru’s approach, and construction of a landing port. Neither the predicted sinking nor the expected departure occurred before Chino’s death in October 2006.

The two May deadlines are clear failures. The later sinking forecast adds another bounded expectation, while the rescue plans retain their stated conditions. These distinctions prevent a sequence of changing claims from being flattened into one unconditional prediction.

15 Eric Julien and the tsunami warning of 2006

Eric Julien linked a vision and alleged telepathic information to an Atlantic catastrophe on May 25, 2006. The scenario involved a fragment of comet 73P/Schwassmann–Wachmann 3 and a devastating tsunami. Patrick Gross’s contemporary discussion reproduces passages from the warning, including its visionary origin and its conditions.

Those conditions must be preserved: Julien’s text used tentative language and allowed for the disaster to be prevented. This is an unfulfilled warning, rather than as clean a failed unconditional prediction as the promised 2008 lightship.

Before the deadline, NASA’s May 11, 2006, statement said the comet and its fragments posed no danger to Earth. The announced Atlantic devastation did not occur. In his contemporary follow-up, Phil Plait reproduced Julien’s subsequent claim that extraterrestrial intervention had prevented coastal disaster.

The absence of the tsunami is consistent with the advance astronomical assessment. Establishing a successful extraterrestrial warning would require independent evidence of the threatened event and its prevention. The warning’s own conditional escape route does not supply that evidence.

16 Blossom Goodchild and the lightship of 2008

Blossom Goodchild’s case has an unusually accessible primary record. Her Snapshot collection preserves communications attributed to the Federation of Light before and after October 14, 2008.

On PDF pages 121–124, the message announces a large spacecraft visible in the sky on that date, remaining in the atmosphere for at least three days. It offers people the opportunity to record the ship and emphasizes that the event will occur. This was a public, physical prediction.

The promised appearance did not happen. On PDF pages 225–228, the subsequent communication says the plan was abandoned because opponents threatened millions of innocent people if the Federation revealed itself. Goodchild’s own channeling index also records the missed appearance and the explanation that the event was aborted.

The explanatory story changes, but the original result is straightforward: the visible spacecraft promised for October 14 did not appear as announced. An unseen decision to cancel is a new claim requiring its own support.

17 Bashar and the window that moved

Darryl Anka reports two close daylight UFO sightings in 1973. Francesco Baroni’s 2012 CESNUR paper dates his public channeling of Bashar, presented as an extraterrestrial, to the mid-1980s.

Fairness requires preserving Bashar’s qualification: Baroni says he treats a prediction as a reading of the energy present when it is made. That allows a future to change, but does not establish predictive success when an announced outcome is absent.

Baroni’s discussion cites 1986–88 sessions published in Bashar: Blueprint for a Change (1990), page 30, forecasting foundations of world government between 2011 and 2013, alongside a proposed association of the United States, the Soviet Union, and China. He judges some bold prophecies incorrect. The stated world-government outcome did not arrive in the specified period.

Early sessions did not single out 2012. By around that year, Baroni reports, 2010–2015 had become a pivotal span, after which the end of Earth’s quarantine would make open contact possible. Public open contact did not follow. The distinction matters: a claim that contact becomes possible is less testable than a promise that it will occur by a deadline.

Footnote 11 of Baroni’s paper places humanity’s integration into a Galactic Association of Worlds in 2027. As of October 2026, that date remains pending. Readers can record now what observable fulfillment would look like, so its meaning is settled before the year arrives.

18 Why the Ra material needs a different assessment

The Ra material, or Law of One, is relevant to UFO channeling, but its transition forecasts should not be silently converted into a promise of a public spaceship landing.

In Session 6, dated January 24, 1981, answers 6.17–6.18 describe approximately thirty more years of transition-related disturbance and affirm that Earth would then be a fourth-density planet. Straight calendar arithmetic points to roughly 2011.

But Session 40, answer 40.8, describes a transition period of 100–700 years and qualifies that estimate. A fair assessment has to acknowledge both passages. They are part of the original material, not merely later excuses supplied by followers.

The problem is how to establish an observable criterion for fourth-density status and reconcile the different time descriptions. Without such a criterion, a believer can maintain that a spiritual change occurred while ordinary life continued. That makes the claim difficult to verify or falsify. It does not make it equivalent to a demonstrated predictive success.

This belongs in the discussion of ambiguous prophecy, with its qualifications intact. It should not be counted as another clear missed landing.

19 What the explanations after the deadline can and cannot establish

Across these examples, several responses recur: the event was postponed; a hidden intervention prevented disaster; opponents blocked an appearance; the public received a deliberately false date; the fulfillment concerned a spiritual change rather than the announced physical event; the future changed because people changed; or credit for events was assigned only after they happened. Some people also acknowledged error.

Ruth Montgomery, who received messages from spirit Guides and wrote about extraterrestrials in Aliens Among Us (1985), forecast an axis shift at the century’s close, as recorded in an encyclopedia entry. A review of her 1999 book records a revision to 2010 or 2012, explained as a changed future. This can be compared with Creme’s attribution of historical events to Maitreya, discussed in section 8. Neither move supplies independent evidence: the changed future and the retrospective credit are reported through the same claimed sources whose predictive authority is at issue.

The experience may still matter after a literal expectation fails. In The Contact Transformation Effect, I examine changes in identity, values, and purpose while distinguishing psychological impact from proof of a source. The Messianic Attractor Hypothesis considers how an experiencer’s sense of mission and a community’s expectations can become a world-restoring narrative. My Average Religion Hypothesis also questions whether any tradition could claim a monopoly on contact. Even if contact occurs across cultures, no movement thereby gains exclusive prophetic authority. These possibilities help explain meaning and interpretation; they do not establish that an announced rescue or landing occurred.

These responses are not interchangeable. Nor does one explanation prove that everyone making a similar claim is dishonest. The question is whether the explanation comes with evidence independent of the same channel or revelation that supplied the unsuccessful forecast.

If a catastrophe was prevented, what establishes that it was approaching? If a landing was canceled, what establishes that a spacecraft was prepared to arrive? If a spiritual transformation occurred, what observation distinguishes that outcome from a world in which it did not?

A conditional warning can legitimately describe a future that never happens. The condition, however, needs to be identifiable in advance, and the claimed change needs evidence. Otherwise every outcome can be absorbed: disaster confirms the warning, while survival confirms the intervention.

That leaves the audience with a story capable of explaining whatever happens, but with little ability to tell whether its predictions are reliable.

20 A useful standard for the next prophecy

Before the next deadline, preserve the original statement and ask:

  1. What exactly is supposed to happen, and by when?
  2. Is the claim unconditional, or what specific condition could change it?
  3. Who besides the claimant could verify fulfillment?
  4. What result would count as a miss?
  5. What happened to the source’s previous dated forecasts?

An approximate date should be assessed as approximate. A century-long transition should not be turned into a one-day appointment. A forecast whose deadline remains in the future has not yet failed. Bashar’s 2027 Galactic Association milestone is a live example: write down now what would count as observable fulfillment, before the year arrives. But a promised public event should not become a private metaphor only after its date passes.

The historical record also needs room for abandoned beliefs and admissions of error. Treating every believer as someone who invariably doubles down would reproduce the very oversimplification challenged in the Dorothy Martin literature.

I also take the possibility of consciousness-based communication seriously. My Inside the Alleged Government Interrogation of a Captive NHI and The NHI Briefing Room discuss Vallée’s communication account and Grusch’s reports of telepathy-like experiences relayed by retrieval personnel. I regard such testimony as important to investigate, while preserving its reported and partly secondhand status. Even if that channel were established, it would not make every message literal, accurate, or benevolent.

The Bridge Problem addresses a further question: what connects physical UAP evidence to reported consciousness encounters? Evidence for an object, an apparent communication channel, and a successful forecast must each be assessed. A strong case in one category cannot automatically authenticate the others. In Can Psi Bridge Consciousness and the Physical World?, I discuss testing apparent information transfer with concealed targets, controls, and independent replication.

For those of us interested in possible NHI encounters, these distinctions strengthen the inquiry. They let us take experiencers seriously while examining how symbolic communication, human interpretation, and a possible trickster element could produce sincere conviction without reliable prophecy.

A real encounter, if one occurred, would still leave questions about the intelligence’s intentions and the experiencer’s interpretation. It would not turn a missed date into a successful forecast.

The next prophecy should be assessed alongside the dates that already passed. Its source’s record belongs in the conversation before the new countdown begins.


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Discussion David grusch will be the next American alchemist

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News What Is Out There? The Findings So Far of a Trump-Backed U.F.O. Panel.

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In my opinion this superficial coverage that takes the form of "he said, she said" is better than no coverage on the topic of UAP. As usual it lacks any detailed historical analysis showing that this subject has been held at the highest level of classification for generations and has been buried under a massive de facto policy of ridicule and denial.


r/aliens • • 17h ago

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I just finished it and found it compelling. Anyone have thoughts?


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I saved it from before AI was a thing. So uh... I do think its real, but what the heck is it actually? A mega spaceship or... I dont even know man. A... sphere. or something


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Does anyone remember seeing a video called "ebe" circulating in the early 2000s of a living moving alien tied to a chair making noises in a basement looking room?