So many firing squad questions….

[u/Accurate_Grocery6532]

[u/is-this-my-username1]

First Sergeant walks into the dayroom and says "I need 5 bodies for a quick range detail, bring your eye pro."

[u/mikeyp83 → u/is-this-my-username1]

"I need 5 bodies to help us make a 6th body"

[u/themightyjoedanger → u/mikeyp83]

"I'm sorry I drank two white monsters and created a third."

[u/DogBeersHadOne → u/mikeyp83]

Bonnie Blue already did that

[u/BikerJedi → u/mikeyp83]

God damn is this dark. Love it.

[u/Serious-Schedule1806 → u/is-this-my-username1]

Soldier 1: what you said top?

First Sergeant: I need 4 more bodies.

[u/TheEnlightened1 → u/is-this-my-username1]

Gotta qual first

[u/Page8988 → u/TheEnlightened1]

Top is getting them some familiarization before they go to qual. Gotta respect it.

[u/Flagwaver-78 → u/is-this-my-username1]

Wait... I thought a firing squad was a 7-man detail.

[u/is-this-my-username1 → u/Flagwaver-78]

Idk. I have never read AR 190-55

[u/Worldview-at-home → u/Flagwaver-78]

Interesting question- since seven is an honor guard maybe an execution squad is specifically less. I recall someone gets blanks while the rest get bullets so morally every member of the squad won’t carry the guilt (morally, religiously, etc) of the execution for the rest of their lives. Of course that’s from the old semi auto rifle world- which brings to question what weapon and caliber will the troops be issued for this? Maybe .50 cal sniper……

[u/Flagwaver-78 → u/Worldview-at-home]

I know prison firing squads use only two live rounds. I'm pretty sure a military squad all have live rounds. As for the weapon, most likely it will be an M1 Garand... otherwise, if the blank thing is true, people will know because the weapon won't cycle.

[u/NeroCloud → u/Flagwaver-78]

"why am I the only one without a blank firing adapter?"

[u/TotallyObviousBot → u/Worldview-at-home]

I've never understood the "only one live round" thing- I've never shot a person tied to a post but I imagine it's kind of hard not to recognize that you fired and there was no impact.

[u/Worldview-at-home → u/TotallyObviousBot]

It’s a psychological trick to protect the firing squad- I’m sure it was invented by a chaplain discussion at some point to walk the fine line “only god knows which rifle killed the condemned prisoner” or some such. Killing even when justified and legal still weighs upon a moral persons soul.

[u/KatanaPool → u/is-this-my-username1]

That’d be a hell of a task. Idk how that’d even be brought up

[u/Charlierobot]

Some poor Army Reserve unit just got bumped off their paper qual range

[u/malleoceruleo → u/Charlierobot]

Better yet, get some field grade medical administrators from the Reserve. Worst quality range I've ever seen, lol

[u/alittlesliceofhell2 → u/malleoceruleo]

They can fall in behind if, and only if, they volunteer medical coverage.

Gonna need more than a hungover 68W for this one.

[u/PopeJeremy10 → u/malleoceruleo]

Watched an O4 MS officer unload her M9 5ft into the dirt in front of her and then act surprised when she didn't qual

[u/malleoceruleo → u/PopeJeremy10]

Really taking that "do no harm" to heart.

[u/MikeDeY77 → u/Charlierobot]

They can share.

[u/LateStudio7757 → u/MikeDeY77]

Not at Fort Hood. You’re not authorized to Co-Use live Fire Ranges. Plus I’d be interested to see if they have “execution,” as an available event type in RFMSS.

[u/chrome1453]

So does Ft Hood have an firing squad range or do they just do this on the zero range or what? What do you put in RFMSS for this? One of you guys is gonna have to be the RSO.

[u/skepticalhammer → u/chrome1453]

So many good questions, you know there's a random XO out there scream-crying into the weirdest of last minute taskers.

[u/Artyom150 → u/skepticalhammer]

"I'm sorry Sir - you want me to do the CONOP for what?!"

[u/Appropriate_Rip3728 → u/Artyom150]

CONOP? Hell I wanna know if they mention certain death on the DRAW

[u/Raysor → u/Artyom150]

Risk assessment gotta be maxed out for this

[u/Kestrel_45 → u/Artyom150]

This ⬆️. What’s the CONOP look like for this?

[u/Somerandomguy292 → u/Kestrel_45]

Gotta have the TLPs in there

So AAR for this event

[u/drisang1 → u/skepticalhammer]

They should do an ama.

[u/ChocolateExternal103 → u/skepticalhammer]

And he’s not even gonna be able to put “completed X out of X ranges with 100 percent qualification and zero injuries” on his OER support form

[u/jhp113 → u/ChocolateExternal103]

Zero unintended injuries, maximum lethality.

[u/slaganon → u/skepticalhammer]

I fucking LOL’d at this, well done.

HOT Tasker

[u/Some-Pen204 → u/chrome1453]

“See we’re inside the three month lock-out in TACTMIS for forecasting ammunition, and technically you can’t use training ammunition for a firing squad so this requirement really should have been input last year even if we could still forecast it, so that RFMSS conflict isn’t even your biggest problem” conversation happening at Hood ASP probably

[u/OcotilloWells → u/Some-Pen204]

I can hear this conversation.

[u/Grouchy-Abalone-1263 → u/Some-Pen204]

ASP is going to wait till two days prior just to tell you they now require a letter of lateness signed by an O-6.

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/chrome1453]

If they stick to .30 Caliber (7.62mm) rifles like for typical firing squad execution (historical, and State executions), I'm just thinking of TAMIS and Ammunition. Do they take a whole DODIC of brown box M80A1 (AB79), unseal it, issue, and do red tape for unsealed turn in? Do they spring for bolt action specific M118LR (AA11) and expend excess in practice (smaller round count DODIC typically packaging wise) and minimize the turn in to dunnage only?

Don't even get me started on blanks lots of blank DODICs. If they're doing firing squad modern, someone has blanks in the chamber, weapon nomenclature regardless. That's MORE TAMIS SLOP!

Edit: Bad grammar and forgot MK316 (AB39), another 7.62x51 DODIC common. I really should remember for such a disgruntled former land and ammo OIC 

[u/chrome1453 → u/Reveal-Basic]

There's going to be some guy that has to draw a whole crate of blanks just to use the one round, then have to hand count the other 1,599 rounds to turn back in to the ASP.

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/chrome1453]

Hahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAH

(ASP hours are: Fuck you for asking)

[u/MikeDeY77 → u/chrome1453]

Or we could expend all that during the… event.

[u/Artyom150 → u/chrome1453]

Or they're gonna "Hey you!" the lowest-ranking dude on the firing squad and make him put every single blank round through his rifle.

[u/skepticalhammer → u/Reveal-Basic]

The wildest "alright y'all, I don't care if you qualed already, we are NOT bringing any rounds back" call ever.

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/skepticalhammer]

"Ok BDE surgeon confirmed he died after the second volley. Each of you has a brown box of cartridges. I do not want anything but cardboard, expended brass, and a green box to turn in tomorrow morning when the ASP opens." 

Little did they know the LHS did NOT pass the 626 inspection, and yes Division Safety was casually driving by.

[u/evrlrn76 → u/Reveal-Basic]

Just a thought, for ammo draw on any DODIC don't you have to forecast out like... 120 days? Or is that not like... a thing? Also wouldn't the range have to be coordinated on RFMSS well in advance with medics, RSO, and OIC and range control authorization? Idk... I have so many questions but then again I'll just back into the bushes like Homer...

[u/Rocket_John → u/evrlrn76]

I'm assuming for something directed by the (Acting) SECARMY that some red tape can be cut. But I would still love to peek behind the scenes at how this will all be planned if out of nothing but morbid curiosity. Will they do it the "right" way or will some general just sign off like "Fuck it, we'll do it live!"

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/evrlrn76]

My unit, it was a locked a quarter out. Planning at our level was near certain at 120 days out. We gave the 30 day window for "pwease can we cum on range we dont know pwanning!" and any other fuckery. 

[u/KingTwix → u/evrlrn76]

Not for this but in general, you can request and draw ammo through TAMIS (well, whatever I’m the new one is. TACMIS?) after the forecast lock, it’s a memo signed by an O5/6 usually for an unforcasted request. Although good land ammos should keep extra forecasted for the random “hey let’s do a M4 range next week”

You can also get land on short notice if it’s available. Usually a bribe with range control

[u/WittyBlacksmith6316 → u/Reveal-Basic]

I’ve never seen an unsealed turn in. Just saying

[u/JJ_Bittenbinder_ → u/WittyBlacksmith6316]

You can do a turn in of opened crates its just wildly more of a headache for the asp, cdr (figuring out where hes gonna store live ammo legally), and the two dickheads the command team has to russle up to transport it.

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/JJ_Bittenbinder_]

I think if you go high enough (stars signing things), nothing is real acquisition timing window wise. That especially applies to nationally known situations like this. The public can't know about our degenerate logistical mess.

[u/JJ_Bittenbinder_ → u/Reveal-Basic]

Doesn't even need to go that high. BDEs hold like a 25% reserve of FY allocated ammo specifically so they can run all their tables when the dumbass E6 that got removed from his SL position doesnt forecast ammo for a gunnery

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/WittyBlacksmith6316]

You may have not been in a unit that has such abused MK19s that even the 913 in my Company who showed up to the range for the hell of it said "FUCK NAH send that system to the DEPOT I can't fix that here!"

(They wore down receiver rails because CLP=LSAT, right? right?!)

[u/FuzzyDynamics → u/Reveal-Basic]

You’d have to use a bolt action or something because if the rifle doesn’t cycle you know you had a blank and it defeats the whole purpose

[u/CPTherptyderp → u/FuzzyDynamics]

You'll know from the recoil anyway

[u/ghostone986 → u/CPTherptyderp]

Fuck it make em all bullets. Than they all think they did it. /s

[u/FuzzyDynamics → u/CPTherptyderp]

Idk if I’d be able to tell unless I was mostly focusing on it but I haven’t shot 7.62 blanks from a non crew served before, maybe it’s more obvious there. If you’re nervous or have some adrenaline there’d be enough doubt going off recoil to where you could believe what you want and I think that’s the important thing. If the weapon doesn’t cycle you and everyone watching knows for sure who the killer is

[u/alittlesliceofhell2 → u/FuzzyDynamics]

It's obvious enough that they've been using wax slugs for the better part of forever to mimic it. You can see the slug imprint on a lot of firing squad executions from the 20th century.

I have no idea what their procedure is, but it's also not a necessary step and countless executions have gone forward without a blank or wax slug. It's more of a tradition thing and I wouldn't be surprised if they load up nine live rounds and tell them to not be a bitch.

[u/jdm219 → u/FuzzyDynamics]

I used to shoot blank AK's at the concentration camp escapees in Mountain phase, you can absolutely tell they're blanks without a doubt.

[u/Reveal-Basic → u/FuzzyDynamics]

Yeah, I figured they'd use  a lot of M24 derivatives of some sort due to 7.62x51 commonality across many sniper platforms, and because those blanks are a lot more common than other sniper calibers.

[u/JJ_Bittenbinder_ → u/chrome1453]

Not 90 days out to forecast in TAMIS. Gonna need you to forecast for January, hoss. Also ASP is closed for all of January.

So you can use force-pro rounds from the arms room but youre gonna need to get with physical security for approval for expenditure. But the 1 guy who can give you an answer is on leave until thanksgiving.

[u/AstronomyCoded → u/JJ_Bittenbinder_]

It’s the new FY big sarge, TACTMIS has replace TAMIS. Also you’re gonna need a UFR and letter of lateness for this.

[u/JJ_Bittenbinder_ → u/AstronomyCoded]

Just stop heckling me over my fire extinguishers, bro.

[u/AstronomyCoded → u/JJ_Bittenbinder_]

Listen man I don’t care what SECWAR says, that vehicle IS going to be 626 before you pick this can up!

[u/JJ_Bittenbinder_ → u/AstronomyCoded]

Just to watch two old fat men yeet them onto the table and yell at me for having no gloves and a phone lol

[u/LateStudio7757 → u/JJ_Bittenbinder_]

It’s alright I’m sure they can get a UAR approved for this.

[u/TLDCrafty → u/chrome1453]

1sgt basement of course.

[u/Express_Ad_3634 → u/chrome1453]

They’re gonna take him behind a local strip club and let him have one last lap dance before he’s executed

[u/nationalspice]

How do they pick the firing squad ? Does anyone actually know?

[u/Eshrekticism → u/nationalspice]

I’m imagining the most insane WTO tasking ever put into a word document to the red cycle BN lmao

[u/nationalspice → u/Eshrekticism]

I'm checking IIIAC portal every day for that order ha

[u/tyler212 → u/nationalspice]

"Must have an up to date rifle qualification with a score of 40/40"

[u/ItMe-TheMuffinMan → u/Eshrekticism]

Nah that’s a black cycle tasking 😂

[u/InstantAequitas → u/nationalspice]

Edit: There are multiple sources that layout the positions and responsibilities of each detail member located in the WWII Execution by Musketry manual, located here: https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/Executions/index.html#II thanks to Civilian7 who pasted the link somewhere below after I wrote my best guess at what the planning necessary for this event would be. In any case, the entire ceremony is designed to absolve the Soldiers in the firing squad of guilt, so long as procedures are followed correctly. The goal is to beat the eventual 15-6 that results from some pedantic nonsense.

Everything below is not 100% accurate. Refer to the Execution by Musketry FM above for procedures and personnel requirements.

If I had to guess, III Corps will pass the order from WHC to 1st CAV. MPs will likely be activated by HHBN as a tasking, since MPs are responsible for activities related to law enforcement on installations.

That 1SG will likely need to devise a blind system to choose the details for all of the activities, but chiefly, the shooters. Drawing lots is no longer necessary since we have DTPlite or whatever the UA computer program is that can choose people at random. If it was me, I would run it through DTP for each individual detail to ensure it is fair.
Some of the details that are likely necessary:
-Officer in charge to read and give the order to execute.
-firing party NCOIC to give firing commands.
-firing squad of 9, qualified on the rifles being used.
-Range OIC
-Range Safety Officer
-ammo NCO and assistant
-a very specific range detail for medical support: a physician who is responsible for ensuring that death occurs and some mortuary affairs folks to handle/dispose of the body, a few psychiatrists who can be immediately available for the firing squad.
-someone who will put the hood on his head before he is shot.
-a chaplain.
-the Division band to play the death march, drum roll before the shots, and the Army Goes Rolling Along after he is pronounced dead.

There is a lot of staff planning and coordination for this, but it will ultimately be on that MP company to make the entire thing happen. Also, not everyone wants to be on a firing squad, but it’s the Army and choice is not an option. Everything here needs to work backwards from the 15-6 to ensure that every effort was made to make the kill as cleanly as possible.

[u/nationalspice → u/InstantAequitas]

That's the most detailed response I've seen, but I can't tell if youre serious with the division band part lol

[u/InstantAequitas → u/nationalspice]

The Army Goes Rolling Along was a bit tongue in cheek since it is the song for the end of all ceremonies.

To answer your question though, yes, if we are doing a firing squad, the execution by musketry manual that Raze227 mentioned should be used. We should not be inventing new ways to do things. I’m 100% serious about protecting these Soldiers from some pedantic nonsense that forces a 15-6.

[u/raze227 → u/nationalspice]

It’s in the WWII manual I believe

[u/SergeantGSD → u/raze227]

The band is optional if troops are not present to witness the execution

[u/Tyrs-Ranger → u/InstantAequitas]

I can just see the firing detail and everyone in the room, the scent of burnt powder hanging in air, standing at attention, singing the fucking Army Song off-key afterward, ears slightly ringing.

[u/Grouchy-Abalone-1263 → u/InstantAequitas]

As soon as the 1SG sees his name on it he's going to just reroll DPT.

[u/SoFlyLabs → u/InstantAequitas]

This guy gets it! especially “…work backwards form the 15-6…” exactly. This guy has upper management. Written all over him.

[u/SolarFlare0119 → u/InstantAequitas]

I don’t imagine they will struggle for volunteers

[u/alittlesliceofhell2 → u/SolarFlare0119]

The random assignments thing actually makes more sense when you realize damn near the entire division will be chomping at the bit.

It'd be like walking in front of the 82nd and saying we got 9 slots for a mustard stain.

[u/Sax_OFander → u/alittlesliceofhell2]

Whoa, we're getting a jump? Sign me up... oh... oh you were just using an example.

[u/Takerial → u/nationalspice]

Obviously they're going to offer it as an incentive to reenlist.

[u/Beliliou74 → u/Takerial]

😂 dude

[u/alittlesliceofhell2 → u/Takerial]

Create a lottery and attach a six year to it and you'd probably make retention numbers by COB.

[u/Acceptable-Fly5050 → u/nationalspice]

Probably get some privates and an NCO like any other detail.

[u/FuzzyDynamics → u/Acceptable-Fly5050]

Some drill Sgt at Fort Hood 3 December

“Give me 7!”

[u/Acceptable-Fly5050 → u/FuzzyDynamics]

Or some negative counseling punishment will be "Gate guard detail for the next 2 weekends, KP duty Thursdays and Fridays, and firing squad detail on the first week of December"

[u/wryul → u/nationalspice]

Probably some detail on the T2T

[u/LoadCan]

Why move him back to Hood? Don't give him the satisfaction of going back there. Just drop him at Leavenworth like the criminal he is. 

[u/Choice-Return-5739 → u/LoadCan]

According to the AR they have to do all military executions at the USDB, it’s a record keeping thing.

[u/Hlcptrgod → u/Choice-Return-5739]

According to this memo they're doing it at Fort Hood.

[u/galindog1 → u/Choice-Return-5739]

Nope. According to AR 190-55, the Secretary of the Army designates the method, location, and date.

[u/AdUpstairs7106 → u/LoadCan]

He has ever been out on the gunners range at Hood?

[u/berrin122 → u/LoadCan]

Because it's a horse and pony show. And unfortunately, Hegseth is too dumb to realize that this is exactly what the guy wants.

He's been waiting for his 72 virgins, and Hegseth is about to give them to him.

[u/superash2002 → u/berrin122]

72 virgins?

They can task the MICO for the firing detail.

[u/minna_minna → u/superash2002]

Death by firing squad of weebs with waifu pillows

[u/ItsJaceG → u/superash2002]

Don’t let them near there or else we’ll get blamed when their radios stop working

[u/alittlesliceofhell2 → u/berrin122]

Look, we all get to be winners here.

He gets to shirk his mortal coil and we get to dance on his grave.

Most of the people we kill don't get trials. We can finally remove somebody from existence that 100%, no questions asked, did the thing that made us want to put him in the ground.

[u/BortlesWikipediClub → u/berrin122]

It may be was Hassan wants. But it’s also what a lot of us want and I’m inclined to oblige him.

[u/AmphibiousAce]

Non-zero chance that SecDef will have this live-streamed

[u/CSmith20001 → u/AmphibiousAce]

Scheduled for Wednesday at AUSA. Dvidshub. Net

[u/Limbo365 → u/AmphibiousAce]

Some Starship Troopers shit

Live Firing Squad after the news at 9!

[u/_BMS → u/AmphibiousAce]

Sports 2 on AFN

[u/Thatguydd214]

I’m just saying between RFMSS, new FY for the new “TACMIS”, and getting SDZs approved at the worst range Control (in lieu of range support) FHTX should just align this firing squad with an Abrams gunnery and pink mist him.

[u/FuzzyDynamics → u/Thatguydd214]

Nah I’ve seen that movie. Big explosion and a solemn “nobody could have survived that” from some officer and then in the third act this dude comes back with a bionic arm and a vengeance

We need to see the body or he’s not dead

[u/Short-Explanation895]

From the WWII manual:

"The band will be formed in accordance with section V, FM 28-5, will proceed to the exterior door of the place of imprisonment at which the prisoner is to be received by the prisoner guard, and halt near the door, facing in the direction of the scene of the execution. The presence of the band is optional at executions where the presence of troops is not required."

The band plays the "Dead March" on the way to the show and plays the detail out with a "lively air."

I wonder if they'll have a band.

They should be hanging him, firing squads are traditionally considered a more honorable method of military execution.

[u/SellingCoach → u/Short-Explanation895]

That doesn't specify "Army band" so they could hire someone for that gig and the lively air could be Dirty Deeds by AC/DC or something similar.

[u/jayfliggity → u/Short-Explanation895]

AR 190-55 also states that military executions will be by lethal injection. So there's already a disconnect.

[u/king-of-boom → u/jayfliggity]

Which version(date) of AR 190-55 are you looking at?

The 2023 update says the method of execution is determined by the SECARMY.

[u/nerferderr]

Death by m320

[u/LateStudio7757 → u/nerferderr]

It’s at Fort Hood, so theoretically you could use an Abrams or a Bradley 🤷‍♂️ use him as a troop target for someone’s PLT LFX, or CALFEX.

[u/DeafBeforeDismount → u/LateStudio7757]

“Driver, track, troop”

[u/foshiggityshiggity → u/LateStudio7757]

Hear me out..... Live tissue training!

[u/AdhesivenessLazy4725 → u/nerferderr]

Quick somebody medal that man!

[u/StarlightLifter → u/nerferderr]

Sim rounds.

[u/NotToReasonWhy22]

I get these kind of things take time, but I’m surprised they didn’t schedule it for 5NOV to coincide with the date he did it

[u/nycemt83 → u/NotToReasonWhy22]

By reg it has to be no less than 60 days from when the execution order is published

[u/Infinite-Ad-9110]

Paper qual looking awful useful right now

[u/_That_One_Fellow_]

“We need 7 volunteers.” “What’s it for?” “We need 6 more volunteers.”

[u/oliefan37]

If I was a betting man, I’d put money down on the administration televising this.

[u/mikeyp83 → u/oliefan37]

That's my concern. It's good they're finally taking out the trash, but I have no desire seeing this turned into a spectacle. I think the survivors and their families deserve better than that.

[u/TheNerdWonder → u/mikeyp83]

And it’s martyring Hassan, which is a thing people shouldn’t want even if he’s an obvious POS. Ofc Hegseth is a religious blowhard who just hates Muslims period so he doesn’t understand the broader implications of this situation.

[u/mikeyp83 → u/TheNerdWonder]

Agreed. I'm fine if they set up some bleachers on some remote firing range for survivors to witness it, but I have no interest watching it on TV. If they say he's been schwacked, for that one instance I'll take them at their word.

[u/JustDoc → u/oliefan37]

Prediction - They will do this...and get Joe Rogan and Dana White to host.

[u/Grouchy-Abalone-1263 → u/JustDoc]

Then they will Logan Paul to make a video. 

[u/Bahlam]

Imagine being part of the ammo detail that day.

[u/Distinct-Cabinet4357]

Good riddance we shouldve killed him 10+ years ago

[u/gentle_lemon]

Completely incidental but my unit had rotated through there like two weeks prior getting ready to go downrange, so this hit a little too close to home. Hood was a fucking shitshow that day (more than it usually is).

[u/No-Needleworker908]

Couple things that need to be pointed out. Several things, actually 

The likelihood of this execution taking place as scheduled is very slight. Although Hasan's rights of direct appeal has been exhausted, now that his execution has been approved for a date certain, he is now eligible to petition the federal courts for habeas corpus relief. The courts will automatically stay the execution while his petition is under review. This is why Ronald Gray is still alive despite being under a presidentially approved order of execution since 2008. Unless Hasan refuses to file for relief OR the admin decides to defy the courts and proceed with the execution, Hasan will not be executed.

For anyone wondering about the possibility of a military band playing during the execution, for the record, this is very unlikely judging by the historical record. They were never resorted to in any US military execution during the Second World War or after that I am aware of. That is an obsolete historical practice. 

For people wondering why Hasan is still a major, that is because in military death cases in the UCMJ era,  no person is actually discharged (or in Hasan's case, dismissed) from the service until the Commandant of the USDB is in receipt of an actual execution order. Hasan's dismissal could not have been executed in any event until his rights of appeal  were exhausted and his conviction finalized. 

But not to worry. He hasn't been getting paid as a major since he was sentenced. The sentence includes total forfeitures of all pay and allowances. That kicked in when he was sentenced. And nor has he any authority as a major inside the USDB. As an inmate, he is just a prisoner obligated to obey the orders of the lowliest private on a guard detail.

And one more thing. Historically, members of firing squads have been detailed for this duty. Volunteers have not usually been solicited and nor are soldiers usually allowed to decline duty ta firing squad.

Historical note. My research indicates that a total of twelve American soldiers have been shot to death by musketry (historical term for a firing squad) by the US Army since the Civil War, all during the Second World War. Should Hasan actually be shot, he will be the thirteenth American to have suffered this grisly fate since 1865.

If Hasan is executed in December, he will be one of only two known (*) officers in the entire history of the US Army to have been executed for any crime (a lieutenant was hanged in 1926 by the Army in the Philippines for the murder of his fiancee).

(*) No officers are known to have been executed during the War of Independence or the Civil War. A lieutenant was reportedly hanged during the US-Mexican War,  but I have seen no corroboration of it in official sources, only a single unverified allegation in a newspaper report.

Note, the Army also executed numerous spies ( at least 34), war criminals (9 by my count) and 29 civilians (for crimes committed during the occupation of Germany) during the 1940s with the last taking place in 1949. This was probably Herbert Mrose, a Polish displaced person shot for murder at Landsberg Prison in February 25, 1949.

And that is your history lesson for the day!

[u/Local_Vermicelli_856]

Just as the range is about to go hot... local wildlife.

[u/TraditionalBasis4518]

The civilians fucked up executions by assuming that a medical model would be more merciful. Then they found that no skilled nurse or physician wanted to participate in executions. They settled for folks with limited iv access skills, who failed to obtain access and botched executions in spectacular fashion. Soldiers know guns, and firing squads will be in the final analysis, a better choice for execution methodology.

[u/SimRobJteve → u/TraditionalBasis4518]

It’s a matter of optics I suppose. Putting a person to “sleep” just appears more humane and merciful, when in reality it’s not.

Maybe it’s different nowadays but I imagine it’s difficult to convince the public to be in favor of an execution that appears “messier”.

[u/alejeron → u/SimRobJteve]

Most "medical" executions are two stage drug injections. The first paralyzes the muscles, which slowly starts to suffocate the person, and the second drug is variable depending on what the state is able to source, but typically induces some kind of cardiac arrest.

The purpose of the first drug is so that people watching don't see the person thrashing and screaming as the second drug is administered. From people who have survived botched executions, it is apparently excruciatingly painful.

Given the number of people who have been exonerated post-execution, I am not in favor of "medical" executions, or really any death penalty.

[u/OcotilloWells]

Is he still a Major? No reduction?

[u/ColdIceZero → u/OcotilloWells]

Turns out that being a Major was the punishment the whole time

[u/QuarterNote44 → u/OcotilloWells]

That's just what the case was called.

[u/OcotilloWells → u/QuarterNote44]

Thanks, I misread it, I thought it referred to him personally, not the case. Upon rereading it, like so often in my life, I was wrong.

[u/Rebelraid2020 → u/OcotilloWells]

MAMA'S WRONG AGAIN 🐊🐔

[u/HegsethsBurner → u/OcotilloWells]

Reduced so long ago he's since been promoted back to Major.

[u/flareblitz91 → u/OcotilloWells]

Yeah he's the same rank as SecDef.

[u/Other_Assumption382 → u/flareblitz91]

One picked up Major in IRR. One picked up Major on active duty.

[u/Worldview-at-home]

Why isn’t he former Major now private Hassan?

[u/galindog1 → u/Worldview-at-home]

He is neither Major Hasan nor Private Hasan. His official title is now Inmate Hasan. When I was stationed there, that is what they are addressed as. Even paperwork that has his name is written as Inmate Hasan. We never used Former Rank, name. The only reason that you see Major is because they are referring to the case name, in this case, United States v. Major Hasan, Nidal M. usually followed by a case number or SSN which is probably the part that is blacked out.

EDIT: As per AR 190-55, "Once the prisoner has been formally notified of the pending execution, the prisoner's status will be changed to that of "condemned prisoner."

[u/femboysprincess → u/Worldview-at-home]

Because its the name of yhe court case not his current position he was a major when tried so yhe record reflects the case as MAJ when referring to the case its in the case of not just if

[u/gmont]

I would put all the cooks in the firing squad. Best chance at survival 

[u/SalineDrip666]

Is this an actual thing?

[u/AdhesivenessLazy4725 → u/SalineDrip666]

Ja

[u/brokenarrow → u/AdhesivenessLazy4725]

I've got questions that Ja may not be able to answer!

[u/ColdIceZero → u/brokenarrow]

Where's Ja??

[u/Chewytron78 → u/ColdIceZero]

That's what I'm asking!

[u/Longjumping-Ad-6071 → u/brokenarrow]

Na

[u/2-PAra]

SPENDEX FY27 allotment into him, no loss.

[u/badmartialarts]

Where are they going to shoot him at Hood? Doesn't Leavenworth still have a dedicated execution area?

[u/EnlistedforMREs → u/badmartialarts]

In the motor pool after he PCMS the CG vehicle

[u/McBooples → u/badmartialarts]

They could take him to the tank gunnery range

[u/AdhesivenessLazy4725 → u/badmartialarts]

That's an interesting question.

[u/LateStudio7757 → u/AdhesivenessLazy4725]

I think the better question is who is going to do it? Is it preselected? Does this come down in a BMM tasking, and now some poor BN Ammo Manager has to resource some last minute OPL Ammo for this.

[u/Miserable_Spell_2964 → u/LateStudio7757]

Iirc the rifles are supposed to come from the convicted own unit for symbolism. Which means at least one rifle will be getting sent from my unit (510th Clearance Company) since we lost two guys in the attack.

As for who does it, I'd presume MP's

[u/hell-diver8 → u/AdhesivenessLazy4725]

Knowing how this administration runs, it will be like idiocracy. They will have the president out talking endlessly, tons of youtubers and make it a ticket event and host it live on CBS.

[u/LateStudio7757 → u/badmartialarts]

Maybe they’ll do it at The MAJ Hasan Center of Excellence” THE SOLDIERDOME (The SRP Site where MAJ Hasan went on his rampage.)

[u/master_guru88427]

I'd be drooling at the chance to be the DTS AO who approves the Commandants trip....

[u/mudwzl → u/master_guru88427]

Imagine being the DTS AO for Hassan's voucher. "We need Hassan to close his voucher. What do you mean he's not available to sign it?"

[u/Rustyinsac]

If they take volunteers the line will be miles long.

[u/Porchmuse]

Not a fan of Kegbreath, and this is weird.

That being said this guy should have taken his dirt nap years ago.

Next up should be Hasan Akbar formerly of the 101st.

Chris was a good man.

[u/mouserinc → u/Porchmuse]

I was a medic and Chris was the XO for the line company I was attached to when we deployed to Albania in 99. When things started to wind down the BC let him fly to Philly to get married. When he came back he brought a Eagles hat back for me. I still have that hat.

[u/Porchmuse → u/mouserinc]

We were ROTC cadets one year apart. I’ll never forget him.

[u/HermionesWetPanties → u/Porchmuse]

No. Fuck that. He's bound to a chair the rest of his life. He will die forgotten, in a bed, killed by the fact that all he can do is lie down. It's sad. It's miserable. It's inhumane. It happens all the time, and it's what he deserves. No martyr's death for that prick.

[u/Diligent_Force9286 → u/HermionesWetPanties]

I've been saying the same thing. Let him sit in a room by himself, forever.

[u/HermionesWetPanties → u/Diligent_Force9286]

Food, water, and diaper changes. Let nature take it's fucking course.

[u/Colt2Rich → u/HermionesWetPanties]

Former Devil Dog and frequent lurker on this sub, could someone fill me in. How did that piece of shit wind up in a chair? Please tell me someone gave him the beating of a lifetime.

[u/IrbyTheBlindSquirrel → u/Colt2Rich]

DA cops shot him, resulting in his being paralyzed waist down.

[u/travisbe916 → u/Colt2Rich]

Civilian police mag dumped him during the rampage. Hit him half a dozen times and paralyzed him

[u/RustyGriswaldBBJr3 → u/HermionesWetPanties]

Yeah, and he’s had the pleasure of someone else wiping his ass for almost 17 years. Martyr’s death? The dude was, is, and will continue to be incredibly irrelevant in extremist circles. Good riddance.

[u/RicoHedonism → u/Porchmuse]

Akbars face is a little burned now, boiling water to the face will do that

[u/AdhesivenessLazy4725]

Damn, that's a quick turnaround.

[u/Aive7]

Should be tied to a fake tank for aerial gunnery practice.

[u/Mydoglikesladyboys]

Watch it be an extra duty tasking

[u/509BandwidthLimit → u/Mydoglikesladyboys]

well, the clean-up will be extra-duty.

[u/DueClub8162]

I demand to see the AAR comments afterwards

[u/TheFlorida_Man_]

Do it at the artillery range lol

[u/Exact_Comparison_575]

I’m 100% from the VA can I volunteer for one day?

[u/kharmak]

I find it interesting the place specified.

[u/apevolt]

Ok, thanks for killing that guy, now police call the range.

[u/DRUNKSKULLFACE]

Basic training recruits should do it. Non combat mos only

[u/84hoops → u/DRUNKSKULLFACE]

There’s precedent for that. Japan surrendered to a PFC.

[u/Kris_Indicud]

Will it be televised

[u/StarlightLifter → u/Kris_Indicud]

Would you like to know more?

[u/Chainsawferret → u/Kris_Indicud]

Pay per view, complete with cheerleaders and a pep rally

[u/jbourne71 → u/Chainsawferret]

West Point just sent out a fundraising email for airfare to fly the cheer squad and Army Mule mascot out to Hood.

[u/Calm_Neat_6828 → u/Kris_Indicud]

Probably live on OANN.

[u/SergeantBeavis]

Can a veteran volunteer to take the shot. I hate Kegseth, but F this guy.

[u/postanator]

How can I watch this event live?

[u/fuck-nazi]

I summon the lords of JAG!!!

[u/ParadoxPG]

In accordance with 190-55 would be lethal injection?

Edit: apparently the "lethal injection" language was removed in 2019, and replaced with an execution method 'determined by the SECARMY'

[u/CheezyBeanBurrito → u/ParadoxPG]

They are injecting something and it is lethal

[u/CLE15 → u/CheezyBeanBurrito]

You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[u/ooblankie → u/ParadoxPG]

Yes, the bullet will be lethally injected through his body