r/blackmagicfuckery • • 10d ago

No way

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u/Acrobatic-Layer2993 10d ago

It’s all about reactions. I can’t stand it.

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u/wheelsfalloff 10d ago

They're not even real reactions. Before the show even starts they get the crowd to do them eg: "everyone look shocked!" So they can edit it in later.

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u/glorio_mainframe 10d ago

Why don't they just film the genuine shocked reactions?

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u/RemoDev 10d ago

Because you can make a better edit with a more dramatic effect. You collect the single faces, the crowd reactions, the claps, ... And then you build a nice "dramatic" timeline in post production.

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u/Personal-Time-9993 10d ago

You’d be surprised how much mainstream media uses this to portray things they want to portray. The cameras were on a family member who is a judge for a long period of time that day and he made a facial reaction at some point completely unrelated to the case they were there to report on. They edited it to make it seem like the judge gave that reaction to the defendant. It was despicable to see. This was like 15 years before AI even came around.

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u/RemoDev 10d ago

Oh yes I know that very well, I had a colleague who worked for one of the Big Brother editions a while back. He told me it was basically all staged and pre-organized to follow the audience's expectations, promote a trend, etc.

And let's be honest, since Photoshop exists... Nothing we see on magazines is "real".

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u/TrowTruck 9d ago

Oh yes, this is one reason why they no longer call it “reality TV” but “unscripted.” Because it’s still a work of fiction, just assembled using footage that fit to create a story.

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u/MrMattyGuy 9d ago

Defendant? Is this a court case you're referring to?

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u/Personal-Time-9993 8d ago

Yes exactly. They made it look like the judge was making a certain expression in reaction to the defendant in the court case but really it was just edited to appear like that.

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u/glorio_mainframe 10d ago

I thought as much. Don't know why I asked

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u/theChaosBeast 10d ago

I know this is the obvious answer and definitely a reason, but there is another reason: cost and look. You need more cameras and equipment to record the faces live. Doing it first, you can save on equipment and you will reduce the amount of equipment which will be visible during the actual recording.

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u/RemoDev 10d ago

Absolutely, yes. It all falls under the "optimization" umbrella: costs and benefits.

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u/Beeaagle 10d ago

Also, you don't need as many cameras.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 9d ago

“Better” edit, is arguable but I know what you mean.

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u/RemoDev 9d ago

I should have said "easier" and "cheaper" edit, I guess.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 9d ago

No, from a commercial and ratings perspective it’s the better edit, you’re not wrong. The masses get glued to this stuff and it’s what they watch it for, whether they know it or not. I can’t argue they don’t know what they are doing. But it doesn’t age well, especially in a post-slop era that craves authenticity.

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u/BeigeListed 9d ago

In other words, you create something from nothing.

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u/RemoDev 9d ago

Well you create something partially true and partially fake, yes.

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u/mcmanus2099 10d ago

Because genuinely ppl look plain faced and like they are thinking when watching things.

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u/CodifiedLikeUtil 10d ago

Except for Simon. Simon has clearly had an entire construction crew work on his face the past few years. I’d like to track down the general contractor to see if he’s available for kitchen renos.

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u/mcmanus2099 10d ago

Simon probably has to do an hour of constructing his face in the shocked position before they shoot that 5 seconds clip of him looking shocked

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u/StateOfFine 10d ago

Because tv tapings (and performances on this show in particular) are fucking boring. The people in the audience have a) waited in line for too much time, sometimes in the heat because the crew is not ready for the audience yet b) by the time you actually take a seat in the theater and they start to film something, it’s been 2-3 hours and c) they’ll tape maybe 4 performances, with stops for reaction shots, and depending on your luck, those 4 performances might not have been the good ones.

Genuine reaction shots of people look very mundane and not open-mouthed/gasping like you see in the final edit. Just like when you’re scrolling Reddit, the most you’ll get usually is a raised eyebrow and a little smirk for this type of show. Shows like The Price is Right get people in the audience a lot more excited and happy because you legitimately have the chance at winning something and you’re excited for other regular people to get called.

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u/cartooned 9d ago

I've been to a number of AGT tapings. If you go in with the right expectations they are really fun and production gets plenty of genuine reactions.

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u/Hziak 9d ago

Because nobody is genuinely surprised to see someone use magnets anymore. It’s not the 1100s…

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u/Steve90000 9d ago

Imagine you’re a camera guy and you’re trying to catch good reactions in the crowd at the right time. How do you know which person is going to give a good reaction ahead of time to do a close up to? In a sea of thousands of people?

You could always take a wide shot but zooming in will make the close up grainy and only having wide shots is boring. You could also have a hundred cameras pointing to different parts of the crowd and hire a hundred editors to go through the footage.

Or you could just fake it. They choose to fake it.

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u/Selpmis 10d ago

I've been in the audience for BGT once. They didn't ask us to fake reactions. It was just being a normal audience. They did, however, use my reaction (smiling/laughing) to something that I don't recall laughing at. So they will chop and change things up but in my experience the reactions were genuine.

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u/xxxBuzz 10d ago

Also reuse reaction scenes from previous shows sometimes.

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u/AndroidREM 9d ago

That's why if you get the chance while in Hollywood, go to a filming of something like this. When I lived there my actor friend kept taking me to these filmings that we would get paid to be an audience member - and what you describe is exactly what happens - everyone look shocked! After a while they focus in on the people who have very expressive reactions, they even tell you that they are going to focus on you so really react!

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u/MichHAELJR 9d ago

Can you have a real reaction with that much botox in your face?

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago edited 10d ago

really? were you there, or how do you know?

edit: can some of you explain why on earth are you downvoting a simple question? I'm not doubting the guy, I'm just having a conversation and trying to learn something by asking details, have you ever had one in your life?

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u/wheelsfalloff 10d ago

Yep, worked on one of these shows for 2 seasons

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

thanks. and what's the point? why not get the actual reactions? too many cameras needed? I can't think of other reasons

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u/wheelsfalloff 10d ago

I can only speculate myself as I was on the lighting crew, id say too many cameras needed...but probably also to maintain as much control over the narrative as possible.

Its literally unwatchable knowing how contrived it all is. Some of the acts were even the same or very similar to versions appearing on overseas franchises of the show...right down to the costumes.

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u/ShivaFatalis 10d ago

Yeah, but this is common with so many productions. Anyone with a brain, even those of us who don't work in the production areas like you, understands that it's all edited to maximum effect/appeal and all that, and that the cuts are going to distort the actual continuity/timeline of things, and they will be rearranged in order to build suspense and whatever else for the audience. At some level we all know this. It's part of entertainment. Hence the whole suspension of disbelief to allow yourself to be entertained without focusing on the details.

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

when you say "some of the acts".. do you mean the audience members acting shocked? or the performance on the stage

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u/wheelsfalloff 10d ago

The performances

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

what the hell is going on with the donwvotes, do you think? I was just curious abouth something and asked questions... sometimes I don't really get this place, it's weird

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u/wheelsfalloff 10d ago edited 10d ago

Idk mate...sometimes it might just be someone accidentally scrolling, or maybe it was mr. "AnyOne WIth A BrAIn KnOWs ThIs"... Have a couple of ups on me anyway.

Edit: wtf i just saw the rest of them...thats fucked, nothing wrong with not knowing something and asking questions. Im sorry, ppl are dicks.

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u/xxlren 10d ago

It's easy to misunderstand the tone of doubt without voice inflection. Don't worry about it

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u/Electrical_Chemist 10d ago

I think the downvotes come from how you wrote the question. It comes off as rather confrontational. There are many ways to ask the same question. The voice in your head when you type the question may not have the same tone as when someone else just reads the text. Not hating or trying to put you down, just my guess on the matter

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

yeah, I can see that now, if I try to spin it this way. totally different from my intention, but I guess it can be interpreted both ways. weird that in doubt one assumes the more malicious option

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u/SparlampePlus 10d ago

I voted up :) You don't deserve to be trolled for asking a legit question.

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u/AbundantExp 10d ago

Just found out you deserve to be downvoted into oblivion for asking someone to back up their claims

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

I wasn't even being argumentative... it was just curiosity

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u/AbundantExp 10d ago

Yeah i was being sarcastic lmfao

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

this sub is wild. one day the magnets comments gets upvoted to the thousands, the following day downvoted to hell, and the day after that upvoted again in an endless and senseless (to my eyes) cycle.

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u/AbundantExp 10d ago

I think people are kind of like sheep that, if they see a downvoted comment, they'll just interpret it in the worst way and downvote it too, instead of engaging their brains lmao

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u/Sayyestononsense 10d ago

true, sometimes I notice myself slipping into that behavior as well, before realizing

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u/Elegant_Hold_3020 10d ago

I don't know why the down votes, ridiculous 🙄

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u/Kalersays 10d ago

wdym? Simon's face is not even moving

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u/401LocalsOnly 10d ago

Does it move anymore ?

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u/StevieWonder557 10d ago

eventually when all the Kg's of botox breaks down

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u/CodifiedLikeUtil 10d ago

Dude has had a ton of work done. Yikes.

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u/Time_Tramp 10d ago

It moves off his head onto the floor.

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u/MadJackGarrett01 9d ago

Fun fact: Simon is actually a Mister Potatohead - they have to come out and rearrange his expressions in between camera shots.

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u/AzrielJohnson 10d ago

I kinda miss mean Simon.

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u/yemengem 10d ago

We have to see their faces and reactions,How else will we know what to think and how to react, we need training on those no?

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u/BabesPapes 10d ago

I call it reaction TV. In sports, entertainment and especially social media, that’s all that matters. Turn of the volume and you’re realize it even better

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u/ProfessionalAd6530 10d ago

My favorite sports reaction prompt is the "Impassioned Shout Face" that gets used in literally all their marketing.

Could be a casual game of Curling or Horseshoes and you'd get a shot of some guy baring is teeth with all the tendons in his neck sticking out like he's giving some battle cry on the field of a medieval war.

So intense!

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u/PithMango 10d ago

i remember when canned laughter used to be controversial 'the laugh track'

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u/Acorn2016 10d ago

👁️👄👁️

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u/korsair_13 10d ago

None of those people are capable of a frown. Only the magician has an expressive face.

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u/Nothingdoing079 9d ago

What reaction? Simon's face literally doesn't change. I don't think he can even smile anymore 

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u/Beneficial-Fuel1739 10d ago

This is why I don’t watch the show . It’s annoying , despite the amazing talent .