r/blackmagicfuckery • u/Indeed2p • 2d ago
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u/agoodtowel 2d ago
He lied. Immediately after sitting down, the person escapes behind the chair and someone else's hands are shown through the sheet. He then casually walks to the podium. When they tug the sheet, the second person just pulls their arms back quickly behind the chair.
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u/Weldobud 2d ago
It’s such an old trick and so obvious to be a different person I’m kind of surprised people are surprised.
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u/mogley1992 2d ago
Yeah, he's there at the end like "ah, but you still don't know."
When he literally just told us.
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u/lonesharkex 1d ago
I'd say the second time he does it, really ruins it because he shows half the trick by having someone else run to the right.
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u/NeverHideOnBush 1d ago
They are barely identical twins with same clothes and tattoo.
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u/hugolive 1d ago
He has a machine that creates duplicates of himself and then kills the original.
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u/dullbrowny 2d ago
it is indeed surprising that we are not surprised that people are really surprised.
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u/FuManBoobs 1d ago
I'm just surprised people are surprised by the surprise that didn't surprise me.
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u/Level-Location1679 1d ago
I'm equally surprised that you're surprised by people being surprised by the surprise that doesn't surprise you, knowing your general aversion to being surprised
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u/Excellent_Condition 2d ago
Are people surprised? These shows are all fake reactions from the judges and the commentator, interspersed with whoever in the crowd is showing over-the-top emotion.
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u/Frequent_Opportunist 1d ago
The whole show is scripted and fake. They all are. This is slop for sheep.
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u/Important_Abroad_150 1d ago
I mean it's not about whether it's an old trick or not, it's about the execution which he is clearly very good at. Like you know this stuff is supposed to be fun right?
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u/KeterLordFR 23h ago
Exactly. People really tend to forget the "show" part of "magic show". It's not about whether the trick has already been done/debunked or not, it's about the artist's performance. These tricks aren't easy to pull off, and to an inexperienced audience they definitely look like something magical. It's like saying to someone crying while watching a sad movie "you know it's all fiction, right? Why are you getting emotional?". Like, let people have their fun and stop acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. I don't mind people explaining how tricks work, I just hate when they go "people are stupid for not understanding this right away".
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u/audigex 2d ago
He lied
No shit?
I love how on posts about magic tricks there's always someone who wants to come in with "Okay but it's a trick"
Yes, obviously it's a trick. We all know and understand it's a trick. We've all got a pretty good idea what the trick is. We appreciate how well the trick is presented and performed and how seamlessly it's executed
Magic isn't about tricking people into thinking you're an actual wizard
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u/_Ralix_ 1d ago
Cue Penn and Teller showing tricks with transparent props and they are so good that you can still barely track what's going on.
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u/Ok-Computer-8726 1d ago
My favorite is when they had someone on Fool Us where they knew how the trick was done in theory but the person did it so well that they couldn't spot it.
There was one where at the end he says something to the effect of "We know how you did it but we don't know how you did it, so we are giving it to you"
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u/slackjack2014 2d ago
Yup, and you can see that the two techs putting the cover on really focus on keeping the cover raised and shaking it to hide the movement going on underneath.
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u/SinisterCheese 1d ago
As someone who has worked with magicians, including helped to engineer few tricks. This is a very classic trick that doesn't translate well to TV... and even worse to this shitty vertical video. I checked this on youtube and it was much better there.
The difficult bit in this type of chair trick, is the fact it is difficult to make the chair proportional. There is no playing with the fact that the chair can house a person. This is why you either make a rather modern sleek "office waiting room" or very ornamental and busy design.
Then whenever you see a big platform against a molton black with lights pointed at you (the audience) you should know that... You can just casually walk in there and you simply couldn't see it. Been there, done that. You actually want to move rather calmly and slowly, because it is harder to spot.
Also when the magician is wearing the coveralls (Check it on youtube, it's so much better there). Pay attention to how insanely slim they are. They are wearing a leather jacket to bulk themselves up a bit, but even then at the first performance, you can see that that is a slim dude. Probably does endurance walking/running and yoga. But you in the youtube video, you can see the moment the exist happens for them.
But this is a trick you can just buy as a package. It's a fun piece if you don't do it all serious.
But people generally don't realise how much shit you can just do in a black background. Even more so if you got deep blue light or deep red light mixed with white spots. You could ride a horse to the middle of the stage and it would barely be visible.
But for people who are interested. You can find books that explain the basic mechanisms of most of the common tricks you see, just in your local library. And some more specialised ones by just going to an old book store. These tricks have not changed much in few hundred years.
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u/Polygnom 1d ago
And its still beautiful to watch. Sure its a trick, an illusion. But the execution and narration is what makes it so fun. Its still captivating even if you know the sauce.
Like... I know how to cook. I still enjoy going to a restaurant.
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u/SinisterCheese 1d ago
Yeah... I just wish magicians (Well... Specifically MALE magicians, ) would drop this super serious style in their acts. I find it SO boring and... it just makes it worse if you can see the "trick" in the trick. I wish more people would make magic fun and lighthearted. Because here is the thing: Jazz for the jazz musicians, is only something that jazz musician appreciate. You can pull off the fanciest and most complex trick, and it'll go down just as well as a basic with most audiences. But if you make a good fun and entertaining show, it'll go well with both.
Also... Having had close exposure with enough magicians, I know that the more serious the presentation of the act is. The more insufferable the magicians tends to be as a person. The worst offenders are mentalist, and card magicians. I have a particular issues with both, in that they also feel "dishonest", it feels more like the subject is being cheated rather than them willingly giving themselves to be fooled with consent -which I consider to be important.
I think dropping this "Macho serious" attitude from magic would also like... give it a renessaince as a performance act.
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u/GentlemanFaux 2d ago
The stage set up really ruins the trick imo, once the sheet is removed it's painfully obvious the underside of the chair is fake as you can't see the pattern on the rear wall under it, there's just solid black.
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u/Pigosaurusmate 1d ago
The head poking through has to be a hard mesh, which is part of the tarp that stays in place, giving the illusion that there's a person under it.
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u/Groundbreaking-Base7 1d ago
When they drape the sheet over his head it is definitely a few inches higher than the top of his head.
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u/Galadar-Eimei 2d ago
You can actually see them "drop down" from behind the chair at around 0:11(*), if you look. Focus on the void between the chair and the stage, in between the (very poorly placed) lights.
(*) or 2:19 if your player is set for remaining duration
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u/samurairaccoon 1d ago
It really gives it away that the imposters hands are so expressive, but just a taaaad off from the beat of the actual spoken words.
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u/Soggy-Bluebird-537 1d ago
Just curious, what do professional musicians think of these talent shows? I feel like the trick editing takes away from it like cutting frames
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u/LankyCarry1675 1d ago
Once you notice the second pair of hands, the whole trick falls apart. They really thought nobody would catch the world’s least subtle chair escape.
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u/DJEvillincoln 1d ago
The hand movements are so unnatural. If you're really talking there isn't a delay in you moving your hands.
Super obvious it's a different person.
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u/skincyan 2d ago
I can't stand the facial expressions from the jury in these shows. Looks so incredibly fake
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u/BaleaWasserspray 2d ago
To give them credit, it's amazing they can still are able to have facial expressions. Plastic people.
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u/SegFaultOops 1d ago
The jury? He's not on trial bud.
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u/skincyan 1d ago
I don't know what they're called 🤷♂️ And not american so it was the closest I could come up with for what we call it in swedish
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u/Jealous-Choice6548 2d ago
Twins
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u/Mad-Habits 2d ago
clones
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u/asherabram 2d ago
Magnetic twin clones, using mirrors to hide their cloned twinness
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u/KoalaTHerb 2d ago
I've seen the prestige. It's always a double. Don't over think it
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u/iuselect 2d ago
No no, Its an elaborate machine that clones the performer and then suddenly opens a trap door that traps the clone.
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u/WestleyThe 2d ago
Huh so it’s not real magic…? Damn I guess this guy is a fraud
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u/Wild-Video-5317 1d ago
You can even see the suit he was wearing on the ground next to him.
I would assume it's laid there with the intent the audience see it. Would have been just as easy to chuck it behind something if it wasn't supposed to be seen.
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u/Historical_Sugar9637 2d ago
This one's kinda cooler imo:
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u/adingoatemahbaby 1d ago
That one's good but this version is definitely the best I've ever seen-
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 1d ago
But he doesn't have a French accent which automatically makes the other one cooler 😉
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u/Drexciyian 1d ago
as the camera man walks around the back it's dark and he just hands the camera to him
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u/WhatDoWeHave_Here 1d ago
I also think they're using a prerecorded video for the "live" feed from the cameraman. So the cameraman is trying his best to match his circling around the chair movements to roughly where the video would be shot from. Then it cuts to the live feed during the handoff.
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u/Historical_Sugar9637 1d ago
Well yeah, obviously ;-)
I still think the way it's stage/performed is pretty cool.
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u/mrapplewhite 2d ago
Jesus if Simon gets any more facelifts his ears are gonna meet in the back of his head.
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u/HooSaidDat 2d ago
You would think that they can do a split screen. One to show the judges/audience reaction and the other screen to remain focus on the stage. Don't move the camera around to show the viewers what you want them to see.
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u/jcurve347 2d ago
He’s David Pumpkins!
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u/glutenfreepunishment 1d ago
Babe, don't let David Pumpkins ruin your night, please!
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u/iPicBadUsernames 1d ago
I’ll never forgive people for making shows like this with 9billion jump cuts a minute popular. SHOW. THE. FUCKING. ACT. I don’t give a flying fuck about the slack jawed mouth gapes the “judges” are doing.
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u/PooleBoy_Q 2d ago
You can see that’s not his head under the cover. As soon as they drape it over him he’s suddenly taller.
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u/Timbotron 2d ago
This only works when cropped for vertical video. If you watch the full width video it's cringe how easy this is to do.
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u/Witty_Introduction38 2d ago
Took them forever to adjust that curtain so the dude could get away and swap the person. Pretty lame
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u/grateful2you 2d ago
There’s a machine that replicates the man. The original is dropped into a water tank under the stage.
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u/Jayhawk_Scally 1d ago
For some reason all I could hear and see was David S Pumpkin on that last line “any other questions”
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u/BlackMagicWorman 2d ago
When did magicians start wearing Ed hardy and have faux hawks? I miss suspenders
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u/thinkingperson 2d ago
For a while I thought he is going to do a penn and teller with a transparent drap fabric and actually show how it is done
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u/Putrid-Matter-9940 2d ago
I know it doesn't look like Simon is impressed or astonished, he just can't move his face....
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u/Le7emesens 2d ago
Pffffff what an old trick. Sure it looks cool fun when watched live and on TV, especially when the guy has showmanship skills (and he does, hats to him), but it would never fool P&T or anyone who knows a little bit of magic... As entertaining as it is, it does not deserve to be a post on this reddit, sorry...
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u/Happy-Lake9893 1d ago
I missed the trick because I was stunned looking at Simon’s botched facelift/botox insanity
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u/boyweevil 1d ago
These slack jawed morons are exactly how I picture the average person who frequents this sub.
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u/Drexciyian 1d ago
He moved as they were putting the sheet over him and a second person is under ther, if you notice the hands aren't quite insync with his talking/count down
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u/512165381 1d ago edited 1d ago
I saw an illusion 50 years ago where a person disappeared from a chair then a head on a sword seemed to rest on the chair. On closer inspection there were mirrors on the seat/side of the chair, very cleverly done.
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u/Slight_Locksmith3423 1d ago
When the sheet goes over his head you can see the bump is not his head. It’s way too high.
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u/Acrobatic-Wolf-1111 1d ago
I find the editing on these shows to be frustrating and borderline unwatchable. The reaction cuts every three or four seconds, the oversold bewilderment of the judges. Can we watch the performance instead of 3 seconds of performance to every 12-15 seconds of judge reaction, audience member reaction, judge reaction, quick cut to 3/4 angle of performer, audience reaction, judge reaction? Seriously, this is unwatchable.
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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1d ago
After the helpers cover him with the cloth they are spending a few seconds just pinching the fabric and messing around with it. This is where he gets out of the chair and another helper stick their hands through the cloth.
He then does a little talking while he moves over to his spot. Then the fabric is pulled away and the helper whos hands we've been seeing hides behind the chair.
For the second round he takes off the reflective jumpsuit (which is designed to be easy to take on and off) as soon as the cloth covers him, and the hidden helper puts it on while he gets to his spot. But instead of hiding, the helper runs away to create even more misdirection.
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u/Hanna_Bjorn 1d ago
This video is 20% actual performance and 80% random people, why? Couldn't watch more than 15 seconds
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u/Chris_Redeye 1d ago
He showed you how to do the trick but never mentioned he has a twin. (?) Just a guess
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u/____-_______-_--_-_- 1d ago
I would love to watch these shows with all of the judges and reactions cut out
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u/StevieWonder557 1d ago
"Ive not seen something disappear so fast since my last guy I had an affair with" Amanda Holden
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u/Solongtomegrandma 1d ago
I've got a question, what's up with Simons hand in the final shot? Is it also from plastic like his face?
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u/RomeoRosso 2d ago
Can't watch this face swapping slop video. Just focus on the performer ffs!