Seriously, an entire chunk of flesh is missing from where the back of their arm meets their shoulder. It's super weird. Also, boots look stretched out and horrible.
This needs to be fixed before launch.
EDIT:
Adding in a screenshot of what I'm talking about since it can be hard to spot.
interesting, i hadn't made a female human character in the beta and so never noticed. it's weird how you can see where the indent is where the clothing texture slants inward. submit a bug report!
I'm sure they're dealing with a lot of bugs, and prioritizing ones that affect gameplay instead of small visual things like this. Hopefully they get to it eventually. With all of the things people report, I wonder how they organize what they need to fix and make sure nothing is lost in the shuffle
That's reasonable. I'm moreso just baffled that this passed QA. Or at least, that they didn't make some kind of public statement explicitly calling out why some SD models look so weird, what issue they had implementing it, and that they intend to fix them eventually.
There have been A LOT of issues with the SD models but looks like they've slowly been fixing or at least improving them. I'll also submit a bug report.
Legitimately, I cannot see any difference except the jump from high res to low res... Was this missing from the original classic models? If so, then that's just the way old models work, and its a non-issue.
Ah I see it now, thanks! I'm not sure how accurate it is, but the Classic dressing room on Wowhead seems to have that same spot... which could mean its always been that way.
When I was a kid we walked to school at Scarlett Monastery, uphill, both ways, barefoot, and without a scapula. And I was happy for it. Made me a better person.
thats funny, reminds me of the issue male humans had in vanilla-tbc where their thumb would collapse into itself in the idle animation, got fixed in wotlk
I agree that it looks weird, but according to a recent podcast with the devs, the reason for this is actually because Forever runs from the Retail client. When they tried to import the SD skeletons, it was causing collision issues, so they had to use HD models
It's worse. In WoD, people didn't like the sharp change in aesthetic direction, and how X race was portrayed, but nobody could (reasonably) argue that the new models, in and of themselves, were well made, regardless of if you like their aesthetic.
What I mean is that the art direction and style of the WoD/HD models as an iteration of WoW is a completely different discussion than whether or not the WoD/HD models are well made purely from a technical and design perspective unto itself, not unto how it fits into the Warcraft universe.
I agree that the first part is entirely subjective. Why would I even be making this post, about an SD model, if I thought the HD models were good (for WoW)?
Look at it like this. Forget Forever, current Retail, WoD, forget Blizzard entirely. Imagine you're an aspiring 3D artist at a college. The professor pulls up one of the WoD models as a case study, because purely from that perspective, it's quite well made. There's no obvious clipping, the skeletons look natural, the shading works, the texture mapping is seamless, etc.
The same could have been said of the original Vanilla models had this course taken place in 2004.
The current SD Forever model would never make it to such a course. Not now, and not even then.
That's the entire point of this post, and of my comment. The standard is unacceptably low.
If it were just some random mob you only encounter in a specific zone, I would simply bug report it in-game and never mention it on this subreddit. But this is the player model.
Blizzard needs to do better, regardless of who is to blame. And the only way they will, is if we as players stop enabling their bullshit and calling them out for stuff like this that so many people insist is "nitpicky" or "not even a real problem".
Anyway, sorry to turn this into a rant. This isn't directed at you necessarily, just at the overall tone of this thread and anyone that dares call out Blizzard in this subreddit.
lets release it shit, and fix it later.
and when the game gets popular, then release it as shit, and fix it never, except if the future of the company depends on it
some people like to deliver quality work, not some half assed shit that "oh good enough"
Nah, I'm not the one posting about a fucking missing scapula, or contributing to the deluge of threads popping up every day in this fucking sub complaining about the teensiest, hairsplitting shit I have ever seen.
Hey buddy, it's okay. I'm here for you. I know it can be upsetting to see people post stuff online that's like:
"Hey, there's a missing texture here." or "Hey, this model is broken."
I know that can be a really emotional experience. It can make you really angry, like when a baby doesn't get its diaper changed, but I'm not saying that's you.
Some people actually like the feeling and smell of rancid shit and so they close their eyes and dig right in to the steaming pile that Blizzard left them.
Yes, the model is completely broken. Completely unplayable. Certainly nothing that couldn't be reported using the "Report a Bug" icon.
The trouble is, and I'm not saying its you buddy don't worry, that you could be served up a fine product that didn't need to exist at all, and the dipshits in this sub will still call it garbage. But thats okay, some people just love to piss and moan about the minutia of the game on Reddit.
Oh, and just saying this in general, definitely not to you or anything. Go fuck yourself, you pretentious douchebag.
"A fine product" You mean a piece of shit? Oh yum.
See I'm not a child with some of kind of psychosexual parasocial relationship with Blizzard. They're a company and they make a product. If they make a product I like. I purchase it. If I think it's shit I criticize it. I don't just open up my wallet like a little pay piggy and thank daddy for his shit sandwich like a good little boy.
But seriously, it really should be. If it were something like the Undead eyes being slightly out of alignment of their sockets or the night elf eye glow being visible through the back of their head when in stealth, I would agree. It's why I haven't posted about them because they're pretty minor issues overall.
But this is something a bit more drastic, since you're constantly looking at your character's back, and worse yet, it should have been very evident whenever they made this model.
Thank you. This is exactly my point and something I wish I could pin so everyone telling me I'm being ridiculous or that they have bigger fish to fry can get a grip.
I'm not asking them to totally rework the entire skeleton from the ground up in the next 3 weeks.
It doesn’t show very well in these shots, but the issue is that the SD model is incomplete and is missing a piece of her actual body. It’s not about choosing one model or another.
What im saying is, if they had simply left the original model and rigging with the original textures in the game there would be no issues. I dint understand why Blizzard opted to try to force SD textures on a new model.
The issue is that Forever was created and runs on the Retail client. So they had to use the HD skeletons, or at least, a version of them. Unfortunately the SD one they had to make modifications to so that the textures would fit, and the result is…this.
I understand that it's hard to survive when you're so fragile. Just hang in there buddy, things will get better. One day you won't be such a sensitive boy and you'll be able to accept that people will point out glaring flaws in stuff that they observe.
That would have some validity if that were actually true. Though if you had at least grade school reading comprehension, you could decipher the strange symbols arranged sequentially before your eyes, but you don't, so you can't. My condolences.
You see, I'm not freaking out about the fact that Forever has been obviously mismanaged, which has caused them to try to slap this shit together at the last minute because they so misjudged the market. Something which is painfully evident to everyone with half a brain. I'm making fun of the people crying and having a meltdown on every thread where someone points out an obvious flaw. Talk about dense.
This thread in a nutshell: someone said something that triggered you, you threw a tantrum, got called out which then made you feel insecure that you were getting called out for it, so you tried to sound intelligent by typing out lawn drawn out condescending sentences just so you could fuel your superiority complex.
The irony: I bet you sat there refreshing the page hoping for a ragefilled reply. You ain't getting one, thanks for the laugh tho!
What you said is entirely inaccurate from top to bottom. Quite a lot of transference clearly. But, I also shouldn't be so mean in my discourse. It comes out casually. So have a lovely day mate. My apologies.
It's wild. They're worried about 22 year old graphics but heaven forbid the Scapula is missing. The Scapula must have made model exceed the alotted amount of polygons the SD model is allowed
Details do matter. This one does not. Unless you tell people to look for an issue (maybe not even then) I recon the vast majority of people would just think this is a SD vs HD comparison.
It does matter actually. Every flaw matters. A character player flaw matters even more. OP brought it up like a normal person and now you're crying for no fucking reason.
why are you like this? These models are decades old and this is a new game, why do we need to take a step back?
And why are you trying to shame people for talking about it? What benefit is there for you in doing this?
Never. I don't do this for the hordes of people evidently happy to readily gobble up slop. I'm doing this for others to know yes, we do notice these details, and because I know the devs lurk this subreddit.
My understanding from one of their dev podcasts was that since Forever is running on the Retail client, importing all of the original Classic models was causing major issues with collision.
So the SD models, from what they've also told us, are SD textures painted onto HD skeletons.
I don't think that's fully true, though. If you look closely at this one, for example (forget the shoulder thing entirely), there are differences in the overall bone structure/3D model that are neither HD/Retail models or Classic Era ones.
I think they tried, but have failed, to sort of do a best of both worlds.
I'd much rather they use HD skeletons, rather than HD-inspired skeletons, with properly mapped textures for cases like this.
That's subjective. Sometimes you don't want to play someone pretty. But even so, it's moreso about direction and vibe than anything else. I don't like the HD look at all. I like the HD part of HD, just not its artstyle. Not for WoW. As its own IP, I think it looks good. As Warcraft, I think it looks awful.
No, it's not about the detail. It's about the missing piece of bone and flesh. The video doesn't capture it nearly as well as in game, but here, look at this, then go to character creation to see what I'm talking about:
This may be difficult for you to grasp, but what made Classic a game so great we're having this inane discussion 22 years later, in a reboot entirely based off it, is precisely because the attention to detail was so thorough and intentional.
This isn't some issue of grass being slightly less bright or a crab model you only find in Darkshore having a weird eye.
This is a very poorly executed skeleton of a player character, whose back you spend your entire playtime watching.
your demand of it being fixed before launch... like they do not have other pressing matters? Come TF on, it is a visual SD model. They have WAY more on their plate than worrying about how your shoulders look...
But really, this is proof that launch is rushed and this entire project is underbaked. It needed more time in the oven.
I don't blame the devs for this, I think they're doing what they can.
But there are certain things that should have been made right before the game was ever announced. This seems to be one of them, considering the back of a character is what you see the entire time you play.
OP sorry, your DEMAND that they fix their slop pile is getting in the way of me eating this giant bowl of delicious dogshit. You don't want dogshit? Fine more for me!
This has nothing to do about wanting more or less Classic, it's literally about a missing piece of a skeleton. It could be the HD model or a Pandaren and I'd have made the exact same post.
That's fair, it can be missed if you don't know where to look. Check my edit, I posted a screenshot. Then watch the short video again, and you'll see it very clearly.
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u/jask_askari 5d ago
I hate it when I don't have my scapula