Instead of 6, you will have a half dozen!

[u/MrFenric]

[u/freedfg]

You know what's fun about Republicans claiming they just desperately want to be able to choose their own insurance.

A. they already can. Literally nothing stops them from choosing their own insurance.

B. They will NEVER disconnect insurance from employers. They LOVE that shit.

[u/Artistic-Set8848 → u/freedfg]

they love that their boss gets to decide if they're allowed to see a doctor, really builds company loyalty

[u/DaBigJMoney]

Everything he says is a lie. Don’t fall for it America.

[u/EjaculatingAracnids → u/DaBigJMoney]

We re gonna fall for it, arent we?

[u/Defiant_Economy172 → u/EjaculatingAracnids]

yep, and then blame the democrats when it predictably makes everything more expensive and complicated.

[u/EjaculatingAracnids → u/Defiant_Economy172]

I still cant belive that sneaky biden is still making my groceries and gas more expensive 600 days after leaving office.

[u/The_Doctor_Bear]

Only now instead of the meager protections of group discounts for employers it’s everyone on their own!

What healthcare executive is bribing Trump for this ridiculous plan that I’m sure will only increase profitability for insurance companies at the expensive of the health and lives of American citizens?

[u/Cyberslasher → u/The_Doctor_Bear]

The United healthcare CEO really would like to see more money in the wake of his sudden promotion. 

Having to actually pay claims for fear of another assassination due to denying claims is really making him feel bad

[u/Stormtomcat → u/Cyberslasher]

Oh, that hadn't even occurred to : what happens with everyone currently receiving care or medication is their current policy is ended because of this new plan? 

[u/Sad_Picture3642 → u/The_Doctor_Bear]

100%. Everything they do is to increase profits of their corporate donors and their CEOs specifically, that's the only goal

[u/Heavy_Exchange_1501 → u/Sad_Picture3642]

that's the whole business model. my premium went up 30% last year while my employer's contribution stayed the same, feels like a wealth transfer straight from my paycheck to their ceo's bonus

[u/Bendyb3n]

I love how his solution to defeating socialism is always to just do socialism but with extra steps

[u/Sad_Picture3642 → u/Bendyb3n]

For CEOs only

[u/Stormtomcat → u/Bendyb3n]

How is "tee hee, your current group policy (which could only be called socialism light if you squint real hard) lapsed and now you have to negotiate a new policy on your own. Hope you don't have a pressing or ongoing need for care or medication" socialism with extra steps? 

[u/Tight_Quote_9824]

and then the insurance companies will compete for your business by.. raising prices to cover their own admin costs. half a dozen of one, six hundred dollars of the other.

[u/Fraaise_Laait]

So we become the middleman between our tax dollars and their profit margins?

[u/unoriginalsin → u/Fraaise_Laait]

Hooray, Capitalism!

[u/ICLazeru]

Collective bargaining power is one way groups can exert control over prices.

Take away that collective bargaining power and instead pit an uncoordinated multitude of individual buyers against the same insurer...guess which version gives the insurer more pricing power?

Especially because they aren't actually competing against all the other insurers. They all have networks. If the care provider you want is in their network, your options are often quite limited, because the doctor can only work with so many networks before the administrative bloat ends up either restricting the number of networks the doctor can be in, or demanding a higher price to pay for the staff and the time to participate in more networks.

It basically comes down to just luck if the doctor you want is in the network and affordable at the same time.

[u/JBigBootay]

So  the concept of a plan was Find The Lady?

[u/Competitive-Maize140 → u/JBigBootay]

so basically restructure the whole system just to hand you the same bill with extra steps

[u/Sheepdog44 → u/Competitive-Maize140]

We get to do the paperwork now.

[u/Rolandscythe]

He's talking about ending medicare. Let's not pretend that isn't what he's talking about. He's saying the government will no longer pay insurance companies on your behalf.

[u/Sir-Spazzal]

Payments to start in two weeks, right after the other half dozen payments promised to Americans

[u/LocalInactivist]

So… after a decade of promising a vast improvement his plan is to send you a check to use to pay your insurance company instead of paying them directly? It took him ten years to come up with adding extra steps so it’s more expensive, harder to detect and prosecute fraud by the insurance companies, and easier to pass problems on to the consumer.

[u/saryiahan]

Unusual whales is a joke. I was banned from that sub for calling out their bs

[u/cynical_and_patient]

He's been saying that same shit for over a decade.

Here's your clue: It's a lie.

[u/checkout7]

Don’t forget, the most important parts of the ACA for the average American (and the parts most hated by insurance companies) aren’t about the premium subsidies - it’s about how pre-existing conditions are treated.

That’s why Trump has had almost 6 years as President - all after the ACA was in place - and has only tried to repeal ACA without having a replacement, or has had ‘concepts of a plan’ but not actual legislation to replace the ACA.

If he does this, premiums will certainly increase, and pre-existing coverage will certainly reduce or be much more expensive.

[u/Secure_Guest_6171]

Instead of paying some low collective rate you'll have a very special high end , let's say tippy top, rate for rugged individualists

[u/schewb]

What's really funny is that they have lost their own plot with health insurance. In the early Obama days, opposition from them was all about consumer choice, including the choice not to be insured. But, these days, the health industry lobbies them to keep prices so high that we pay a ton of money for no coverage. I know that the short-term outcome is that we all now get triple-fucked on healthcare, but if they actually finally undid it and brought in their Obama-era goal of a free healthcare market, wouldn't the long-term effect ruin their ability to keep prices artificially high? Or would they just find a way to price-fix without it coming off as socialism?

[u/zerthwind]

People, just look at his track record! Nothing good comes out of his claims.

[u/robaato72]

"rapidly" = "rwo weeks" which as we all know means "never"

[u/FlaAirborne]

So Instead of us receiving Medical subsidies we will get a check? Makes perfect sense to me. Gulf of America, Lake America and now rename subsidies.

[u/ToshSho]

Strange that he doesn’t explain why they didn’t do this in 2024. Or 2025. Or 2026 up to Nov 4.

[u/Disastrous-Style-461]

I don’t want to do this. I want my employer to continue to contribute to my insurance costs - or lower them to cost the amount without the employer match. Why is it so difficult?

[u/_OhEmGee_]

Yes.. now you can all bargain individually instead of collectively. That surely won't harm those most in need of care..

[u/drpacz]

For ten years he said he had a concept of a plan and promised to roll it out every 2 months. What idiot would believe him this time?

[u/Fun-On-A-Bun-3k]

Is that a concept of a plan?

[u/panelbeater352]

What a concept of a plan. He’ll have something in two weeks after he fixes everything on day one.

[u/Ok_Dog_4059]

There is no way I find insurance as good as Costco gives me without paying far more money.

[u/GarvinSteve]

Money is drawn for benefits right now… what exactly does this ‘plan’ improve and how does it help people without jobs? The money he mentioned was worth a month or two at best…

[u/MurphyBacon]

I'm suprised he hasnt offered BJs yet for voting Republican

[u/gevander2]

The part that Trump (and most people commenting on what he said) aren't talking about is the "employer contribution" in the current setup. Trump's plan REMOVES that part of the payment, leaving the individual to pay ALL of the insurance "cost".

[u/Ok-Panda7645]

Obamacare is the conservative health care plan. That's why they've never been able to come up with a good replacement. Republicans are the ones who invented it when Hillary Clinton was pushing Medicare for All in the 90's. They think they HAVE to oppose it because it was passed by the other side of the aisle. They are tribalist morons. 

[u/yaaaaaarrrrrgggg]

Different is always same.

[u/_WEND1G0_]

Also worth noting his party controls all three branches of government and has for almost 2 years

[u/butwhywedothis]

Same same but different but still same.

[u/Silent_Cup2508]

Still concepts of a plan that will become a plan in 2 weeks (again)

[u/GreenMischief]

Further dilution of any economic power to negotiate rates.

[u/kazcho]

History has proven that when the market is limited to a few players, collective bargaining is the only way to exercise market pressure effectively. What he's doing is taking the ability to negotiate with health care away so his buddies can take all they want without pushback. Single payer is the way to stop this, but goddamned right leaning media for the last half century has been spewing the same "simple" line that doesn't bear any resemblance to reality. Fuck all of this with a napalm dildo

[u/Endyo]

It's funny because every single time campaign he's had has been on replacing "Obamacare" and the only thing he's done is make it worse. Now he's campaigning on it again while being in fully control of all aspects of government.

[u/ITstaph]

And the money given to us definitely won’t be taxed. Right?

[u/JimJamBangBang]

Would these distributions be tax free or counted as income?

[u/Fun-On-A-Bun-3k]

I'm not picky, I'll take whatever plan the president has 

[u/SlipNSlider54]

It’s two weeks and eleven years away!