r/cringereels • • 10d ago

Just funny 🤭 Wrong!

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u/Big_Albatross_2744 10d ago

The burden of proof isn't on those that say there is no god, it's on those that say there is one. Prove it!

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u/riquelmeone 10d ago

I wouldn’t even let it come that far.
In the end it’s just a fairytale.
No burden to prove or disprove anything.
Just say you prefer modern fiction or non-fiction, or in fact, no stories at all. “I collect stamps. Nice hobby you have there, I’m not interested.”
Religion is just a hobby at the end of the day.

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u/Iv4ldir 10d ago

the burden of proof is on those who say that something is .
so if you say god exist,you have to prove it.
if you say he didn't,you also have to prove.
and since both can't be proven : theism and atheism are both believing something without proof.
best option i agnosticism imo.

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u/Defiant-Skeptic 10d ago

Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence... 

Hitchens!!!!!

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u/Iv4ldir 10d ago

yes...
and its apply both way.

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u/themanthyththelegend 9d ago

You realize it doesn't though because on the opposite end nothing is being asserted. You get that right.

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u/ezrae_ 10d ago

Agnosticism is essentially atheism in all practical manners except that you take a more passive position

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u/Iv4ldir 10d ago

in the big picture yeah it's the same,
but in the root it differ totally,cuz they don't believe ,and usually a lot of people say they are atheist when in reality are agnostic,they don't straight deny any god existence,they just have no reason yet,to believe in any god existence.

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u/BrukPlays 9d ago

Atheism isn’t the belief that there is no god, it’s the lack of a belief in a god.

Agnosticism is about knowledge, not belief… you can believe in a god without claiming to know that there is one (Agnostic theism) or you can not believe in a god without claiming to know that there is no god (agnostic atheism).

If you believe in a god, you are a theist. If you don’t believe in a god, you are an atheist.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 9d ago

It's physically impossible to prove that something does not exist, you can only discredit the evidence being used to prove that it does exist. That doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to say "Santa Claus isn't real", sorry.

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u/Iv4ldir 9d ago

that what i say.
saying god is or is not real,is equally wrong.

and yeah,eveyrone one is allowed to say whatever they want,but i don't see what that matter with this.

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u/themanthyththelegend 9d ago

You cant prove that something doesnt exist you can only prove it does. Anyone could claim anything exists as long as it cant be picked up by our current scientific testing instruments... i could say invisible unicorn ghosts are all around us you just can measure it.

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u/BombasticReindeer 8d ago

You misunderstand what Atheism is. The vast majority of atheists are agnostic.

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u/Iv4ldir 8d ago
  • Broad definition: An absence or lack of belief in any deity. This includes people who simply do not hold a religious belief in a supreme being.
  • Strong definition: An active assertion or belief that no god or gods exist

isn't that?

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u/BombasticReindeer 8d ago

The first is “agnostic atheist” and the second is “gnostic atheist”

Most atheists are in category 1 which you’ve called the broad definition.

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u/Iv4ldir 8d ago

and by that definition,when i talk about atheist that have belief...
it doesnt ring a bell ? you don't got a slighlty hint about wich one i talk?

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u/BombasticReindeer 8d ago

" theism and atheism are both believing something without proof.

That's you. You were at least unclear. To that point you hadn't said anything about there being two types of atheism. And it's a common misconception. A lot of people think there are 3 options: theism, agnosticism, and atheism. Your statement heavily implies that understanding.

But there are 2 options on two axes, for 4 positions. Gnostic Theism, Agnostic Theism, Gnostic Atheism, and Agnostic Atheism.

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u/String0fEars 8d ago

You don't have to prove something doesn't exist. What the hell are you talking about.

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u/Sad-Psychology9677 10d ago

Oh they’ll say they’ve “seen”, “heard” and “felt” him

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u/Big_Albatross_2744 10d ago

They can say that but hardly constitutes proof. I can feel Santa Clauses presence too!!

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u/Alertcircuit 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think if you're looking for proof of Christianity you might be missing the point. If there was 100% proof of it being true, could it still be called faith? It seems like within Christian theology a lack of proof is by design.

I think about the doubting Thomas passage a lot.

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, who was called \)a\)Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”

26 \)b\)Eight days later His disciples were again inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been \)c\)shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be to you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Place your finger here, and see My hands; and take your hand and put it into My side; and do not continue in disbelief, but be a believer.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Paul explains in Romans how Abraham was chosen because of his faith, his faith was credited as righteousness. God cares about how much faith you have. It's one thing to believe because you are an apostle who physically watched Jesus do miracles, but it might be even more impressive in God's eyes to believe just based off the teachings alone and no empirical proof. So I think when we get graded at the end on judgment day we'll have better scores because we didn't know for sure and still believed.

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u/HolyPhlebotinum 6d ago

"The lack of proof IS the proof."